I have got a
Masdevallia coccinea `Sanbar carmen beauty'

So is this a species ? i know coccinea like alot of orchid species is
variable in colour

Can anyone provide a link explaining clones/cultivars
and any info on this cultivar.
A google search brings up quite alot of coccinea cultivars.

Regards Keith

Keith, this may not be entirely precise, but perhaps it will help.

If the correct plant name is Masd. coccinea, with a lower case "c" on
coccinea, then it should be a species. If it's a hybrid, that "c" should be
capitalized. But on handwritten labels, or even some of the ones
"bulk-printed" by some growers, it can be hard to tell.

Clones are made by a laboratory process, to replicate a specific orchid. If
all goes right, the clones (aka mericlones, meristems) should be genetically
identical to the sample plant. [As compared to its thousands of seed-grown
siblings, which may indeed vary considerably, in shape and other aspects as
well as color.]

The term "cultivar" is often used interchangeably, but I believe it would
also apply to a vegetative division of the sample plant, and not one made at
the lab. Someone will please correct me if I am wrong about that.

I can't help you with specific on this particular one, we don't do Masd.
HTH, Kenni


"keith kent" wrote in message
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I have got a
Masdevallia coccinea `Sanbar carmen beauty'

So is this a species ? i know coccinea like alot of orchid species is
variable in colour

Can anyone provide a link explaining clones/cultivars
and any info on this cultivar.
A google search brings up quite alot of coccinea cultivars.

Regards Keith

Keith,

Your plant is the species Masdevallia coccinea.

The cultivar - cultivated variety, a way to simply discern one plant from
another - is relatively meaningless in terms of culture, unless its
originator noted something significant.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
I have got a
Masdevallia coccinea `Sanbar carmen beauty'

So is this a species ? i know coccinea like alot of orchid species is
variable in colour

Can anyone provide a link explaining clones/cultivars
and any info on this cultivar.
A google search brings up quite alot of coccinea cultivars.

Regards Keith

Thanks Kenni & Ray.

These names do get complexed !
Regards

Keith

"Ray B" wrote in message
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Keith,

Your plant is the species Masdevallia coccinea.

The cultivar - cultivated variety, a way to simply discern one plant from
another - is relatively meaningless in terms of culture, unless its
originator noted something significant.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
I have got a
Masdevallia coccinea `Sanbar carmen beauty'

So is this a species ? i know coccinea like alot of orchid species is
variable in colour

Can anyone provide a link explaining clones/cultivars
and any info on this cultivar.
A google search brings up quite alot of coccinea cultivars.

Regards Keith

On Apr 21, 3:24*pm, "keith kent" wrote:
Thanks Kenni *& Ray.

These names do get complexed !
Regards

Keith

Keith,
Masdevallia coccinea `Sanbar carmen beauty' was awarded HCC AOS with a
score of 77 (out of 100) in 1976. Exhibited by Santa Barbara Orchid
Estate, Santa Barbara, CA. They used the first word Sanbar in the many
coccineas listed. The highest score of 94 was given in 1998 to
cultivar 'Josephine' exhibited by Hillsview in Oregon.
Once a hybrid is registered, anyone who repeats the cross is supposed
to use the same name. Each resulting seed although perhaps very
similar is unique. Just to help illustrate, it can be compared to how
babies of the same parents are unique. Cultivar names/phrases are a
way to identify a single plant or if that plant is cloned by
mericlone, meristem,etc thousands of identical orchids. Seedlings from
the same cross should not be given the same cultivar name. Similarly a
specie may be the result of line breeding which is where the same
specie is crossed with another of the same specie. It may also be a
"selfing' using pollen from the same plant to fertize it's own bloom.
The resulting plant is still a specie but it may have been selectively
bred to enhance some quality. Therefore orchid enthusiasts seek out a
particular cultivar. Unfortunately the cultivar part of a tag relies
on the grower's honesty. It is harder to substantiate. It was not
intended to be used on an orchid that someone has purchased, added
their cultivar name and perhaps sold. Not blaming, just saying.
Lee