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when to move plants outside?
I have a small collection with a lot of phals, and a few dendrobiums, paphs,
cymbidiums, masdevalias, oncidiums, lc, and a brassia, odontoglossum, angraecum, and a vanda. They spend all winter on shelves in front of patio door windows, and all summer on my back porch. My question is when is a good point to move them outside? I live in Pittsburgh, PA, and nights here are now mostly in the 50's, occasionally in the high 40's. I know of course that different species have different requirements here. I've put the masdevalias out already but none of the rest yet. What I've read would seem to suggest that the cymbidiums could also probably go out now, maybe I should wait another week or two on the phals, and hold back the vanda and agraecum awhile later. I will appreciate any suggestions from the amazing collective experience that you all bring to this newsgroup. Thanks, Chuck Berlin |
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when to move plants outside?
C. Berlin wrote:
I have a small collection with a lot of phals, and a few dendrobiums, paphs, cymbidiums, masdevalias, oncidiums, lc, and a brassia, odontoglossum, angraecum, and a vanda. They spend all winter on shelves in front of patio door windows, and all summer on my back porch. My question is when is a good point to move them outside? I live in Pittsburgh, PA, and nights here are now mostly in the 50's, occasionally in the high 40's. I know of course that different species have different requirements here. I've put the masdevalias out already but none of the rest yet. What I've read would seem to suggest that the cymbidiums could also probably go out now, maybe I should wait another week or two on the phals, and hold back the vanda and agraecum awhile later. I will appreciate any suggestions from the amazing collective experience that you all bring to this newsgroup. Thanks, Chuck Berlin I'm probably very close to your weather here at roughly the same lattitude, three hours west of you in Columbus, OH. Until I built the GH last year, I spent a good 12 years taking the plants out of the growrooms for the 'summer' and back in in the fall. At first I was able to take them out in mid-March, though I did have to cover them a few times at night when the temps dipped below 50, and occasionally left them out through cold spells with some minor heat (indoor house temp air blown in) if I thought they would have another month out before temps dipped for good. There are pics and info on my page at: (click on the 'see detailed pics'link) http://www.orchidcourt.com/outside.html They stayed out til November with the same few nights covered. The last couple years, they haven't been able to go out til mid-May and had to come back in by early- to mid-Sept, using the same temperature guidelines I had always used, 50 degrees. I consider any month with frost to be winter, so we now have nine months of winter and three of summer, thanks to global COOLING. Unfortunately no spring or fall here, which are my favorite seasons. So, to sum up, I think anything can go out and stay out as long as nights aren't below 50. Paphs, especially parvis, would like to be out til it's 40 or so, as would disas, masdevallias, laelias (all kinds, including brazilian and rupicolous) odonts, etc. An occasional dip into the 40s isn't going to hurt catts either. BUT phals, vandas, etc, and psychopsis, catasetinae, bulbos, and brassias do NOT want to ever go below 50. And I say 50 for plants that have been outdoored through the growing season. They are more temp hardy than say a vanda grown in Key West, never below 70 in its life would be to be suddenly subjected to 50 degrees. Best solution, increasing the time outside possibly by a month or two at each end, is to put them out in such a way they can be covered and enclosed to the ground on the occasional below-50 night. I did this with a couple thousand plants, so with less it may be a bit easier. Cyms, on the other hand, I hear from those who grow them (I have only one) should be left out til they experience temps in the upper 30's to set spike. Hope this helps. Tennis |
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The Odont. would probably enjoy some cold. On the Dens, it depends which
kinds. The "evergreen" types will drop leaves at or near 50F, but some of the others also enjoy cooler temps. Phals, if not in spike/bud/bloom, will handle 40F. Most brassias like it hot, so you might want to hold that with the vanda and angraecum, for last to go out. Kenni "C. Berlin" wrote in message news:KANUj.24551$qW.13459@trnddc06... I have a small collection with a lot of phals, and a few dendrobiums, paphs, cymbidiums, masdevalias, oncidiums, lc, and a brassia, odontoglossum, angraecum, and a vanda. They spend all winter on shelves in front of patio door windows, and all summer on my back porch. My question is when is a good point to move them outside? I live in Pittsburgh, PA, and nights here are now mostly in the 50's, occasionally in the high 40's. I know of course that different species have different requirements here. I've put the masdevalias out already but none of the rest yet. What I've read would seem to suggest that the cymbidiums could also probably go out now, maybe I should wait another week or two on the phals, and hold back the vanda and agraecum awhile later. I will appreciate any suggestions from the amazing collective experience that you all bring to this newsgroup. Thanks, Chuck Berlin |
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Could you look into adding some polycarbonate sheets onto your back porch?
They can be made removeable and cut to any size to fit the openings you have. That way you can have an unheated sun room in the winter, move your plants out in Spring without worry and then remove them for the summer. Here in SC, plants like amaryllis, cymbidiums, azaleas, and primulas bloom all winter on the back porch visible through the sliding glass doors. If the temps go below 20 outdoors (a few times a winter) then we either move the plants in or crack the door to circulate some heat to the porch. Twinwall holds in the heat very well and has been a great investment. Gary "C. Berlin" wrote in message news:KANUj.24551$qW.13459@trnddc06... I have a small collection with a lot of phals, and a few dendrobiums, paphs, cymbidiums, masdevalias, oncidiums, lc, and a brassia, odontoglossum, angraecum, and a vanda. They spend all winter on shelves in front of patio door windows, and all summer on my back porch. My question is when is a good point to move them outside? I live in Pittsburgh, PA, and nights here are now mostly in the 50's, occasionally in the high 40's. I know of course that different species have different requirements here. I've put the masdevalias out already but none of the rest yet. What I've read would seem to suggest that the cymbidiums could also probably go out now, maybe I should wait another week or two on the phals, and hold back the vanda and agraecum awhile later. I will appreciate any suggestions from the amazing collective experience that you all bring to this newsgroup. Thanks, Chuck Berlin |
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My back "porch" is really a deck with a railing. I've put up some lattice
work above where the orchids go, but there's no framework to further enclose this. My family asks me from time to time why I don't put up a greenhouse. I know that I'll never get to the next level of orchid growing without doing this, but it seems like this would then take a very large amount of time, energy, and expense to go forward with and maintain. While the rewards would be potentially great, I think that at this point I'm at about the right homeostasis for energy expended vs. enjoyment gleaned. Thanks for your suggestion. Chuck Berlin "v_coerulea" wrote in message ... Could you look into adding some polycarbonate sheets onto your back porch? They can be made removeable and cut to any size to fit the openings you have. That way you can have an unheated sun room in the winter, move your plants out in Spring without worry and then remove them for the summer. Here in SC, plants like amaryllis, cymbidiums, azaleas, and primulas bloom all winter on the back porch visible through the sliding glass doors. If the temps go below 20 outdoors (a few times a winter) then we either move the plants in or crack the door to circulate some heat to the porch. Twinwall holds in the heat very well and has been a great investment. Gary "C. Berlin" wrote in message news:KANUj.24551$qW.13459@trnddc06... I have a small collection with a lot of phals, and a few dendrobiums, paphs, cymbidiums, masdevalias, oncidiums, lc, and a brassia, odontoglossum, angraecum, and a vanda. They spend all winter on shelves in front of patio door windows, and all summer on my back porch. My question is when is a good point to move them outside? I live in Pittsburgh, PA, and nights here are now mostly in the 50's, occasionally in the high 40's. I know of course that different species have different requirements here. I've put the masdevalias out already but none of the rest yet. What I've read would seem to suggest that the cymbidiums could also probably go out now, maybe I should wait another week or two on the phals, and hold back the vanda and agraecum awhile later. I will appreciate any suggestions from the amazing collective experience that you all bring to this newsgroup. Thanks, Chuck Berlin |
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WHOA!!!!!!!
"My family asks me from time to time why I don't put up a greenhouse" AND YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY DONE SO!?!?!?! Gee. I wish that was what I hear on the subject. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! "C. Berlin" wrote in message news:LK4Xj.7701$0h.4097@trnddc02... My back "porch" is really a deck with a railing. I've put up some lattice work above where the orchids go, but there's no framework to further enclose this. My family asks me from time to time why I don't put up a greenhouse. I know that I'll never get to the next level of orchid growing without doing this, but it seems like this would then take a very large amount of time, energy, and expense to go forward with and maintain. While the rewards would be potentially great, I think that at this point I'm at about the right homeostasis for energy expended vs. enjoyment gleaned. Thanks for your suggestion. Chuck Berlin "v_coerulea" wrote in message ... Could you look into adding some polycarbonate sheets onto your back porch? They can be made removeable and cut to any size to fit the openings you have. That way you can have an unheated sun room in the winter, move your plants out in Spring without worry and then remove them for the summer. Here in SC, plants like amaryllis, cymbidiums, azaleas, and primulas bloom all winter on the back porch visible through the sliding glass doors. If the temps go below 20 outdoors (a few times a winter) then we either move the plants in or crack the door to circulate some heat to the porch. Twinwall holds in the heat very well and has been a great investment. Gary "C. Berlin" wrote in message news:KANUj.24551$qW.13459@trnddc06... I have a small collection with a lot of phals, and a few dendrobiums, paphs, cymbidiums, masdevalias, oncidiums, lc, and a brassia, odontoglossum, angraecum, and a vanda. They spend all winter on shelves in front of patio door windows, and all summer on my back porch. My question is when is a good point to move them outside? I live in Pittsburgh, PA, and nights here are now mostly in the 50's, occasionally in the high 40's. I know of course that different species have different requirements here. I've put the masdevalias out already but none of the rest yet. What I've read would seem to suggest that the cymbidiums could also probably go out now, maybe I should wait another week or two on the phals, and hold back the vanda and agraecum awhile later. I will appreciate any suggestions from the amazing collective experience that you all bring to this newsgroup. Thanks, Chuck Berlin |
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