On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:23:41 -0400 in v_coerulea wrote:

And to put some perspective on things...

http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs-2.4/
is the set of documentation for the news server software I used to run.
Commercial software such as typhoon tends to be of similar
complexity.

That's just the software.
Then there's negotiating the colocation facility if you don't have
business class internet connectivity at home or a very kind employer.
Then there's negotiating with upstream feeds.
And if you're planning to allow posting, adding a registration mechanism
to keep spambots from abusing the server.
--
Chris Dukes
"Let all the babies be born. Then let us drown those we do not like."
-- G. K. Chesterton.

Or. . . . . and a 'chid named blue! *G*
"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
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And a dog called Blue..........

Diana

"Wendy7" wrote in message
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Oh ok I understand now, it just takes me a while!
So for now it's just you, me & Bobby Mc Ghee.
Cheers Wendy
"v_coerulea" wrote in message
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Yes, Wendy, all the alt.binary Newsgroups are gone. It wasn't selective
on abpo. The rec.gardens newsgroups are fine. So when Cox decides to
join the pack all the abp newsgroups will disappear.
Gary

"Wendy7" wrote in message
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Well I haven't been affected yet, with Cox, guess it's just a matter of
time.
I still think this is a greediness for the not so almighty dollar!
Gary have you noticed anyone in your other NewsGroups that
have mentioned this or been affected? I have two other alt.binaries
groups & there has been no mention of it that I am aware of.

I will wait for Kye he will come through and in the mean time
we can still chat here.
Cheers Wendy

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
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Since we've had the rug pulled out from under us and no way of fixing
it, we need to look for alternate solutions.
1. Some foresighted member can make a new site so we can talk and post
as we have in the past This would take time and money. I don't think
most of us would mind contributing to a good cause.
2. We all upload to our favorite picture site and post links to
rec.orchids which will probably be gone in a year or so and we'll be
right back where we were. Let's face it. All these do-good things the
Big-ISPs do is feel-good comunnity contribution and really doesn't
make them any money or get them any good press.
3. We can all hope Kye is a step ahead of us and things will be fine
in a week to so. It takes a lot of time to put one of these together.
Oh, and did I say money?
4. If we continue to not hear from Kye, we can all kiss each other on
the cheek and say "Nice knowing you. See you sometime soon."
Is there someone with the experience willing to put a site together
with community support?
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
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Try this.

Diana

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:40:18 -0400 in Ray B wrote:
I'm not fond of the "post a link" option.

Let's run some numbers for you.

From april 11th until june 30th, approximately 90M of photos were posted
to abpo.
On a small photo site those images would consume about 90M of disk
space.
Just by posting those photos to a single standalone news server would
increase that to 120M of disk space.
As USENET is distributed, you then end up with a copy at each site
that carries the newsgroup. Looking at sources of binaries posted to
abpo, that's 8 servers so nearly a gig.
Now to put that in perspective. An active, but low traffic
porn newsgroup would see that kind of activity in a day.
An active, but low traffic tv show binary newsgroup would see that kind
of activity in a minute.

Most picture-posting sites are rather cludgy to move around in, and as they
require that you load a browser to view them while attempting to have your
discussion here, are FAR less convenient.

Yes, and yes.
I don't quite follow having to load a browser as inconvenient.
You load the browser and keep it running. You load the news reader
and keep it running, and you switch between windows.
I admit I don't keep up to date on current GUI news reader software.
I run some rather old fashioned news reader software that works
perfectly well with the computer terminals of 30 years ago. But I've also been
running a terminal emulator that lets me click on a URL and select
copy to clipboard or open in browser for 10 years....

And that goes back to "Pick a couple photo websites that don't suck."
Criteria to consider are things like
1) Can I access any picture I posted with a URL that is 72 characters
at most?
2) Can I copy the URL to my clipboard, tell the browser to destroy
all cookies, exit the browser, start the browser, paste the URL
and have it load without being prompted to sign in to the site?
3) Do the folks running the site attempt to restrict my rights on
my creative content if I post that creative content on their site?

As far as another site that allows both, you'd have to find one that allows
uploads. Most forums require the URL of a photo in order to view it, which
is better than posting a link, but is an extra step, therefore a hurdle.
The Orchid Source forum is one site that does allow uploads, but storing
photos takes up room, so becomes expensive, and while it may be voluntary,
regular participants SHOULD contribute.

Disk is cheap, bandwidth and and colo rental are expensive.


--
Chris Dukes
"Let all the babies be born. Then let us drown those we do not like."
-- G. K. Chesterton.

Chris,

The inconvenience is going back-and-forth (even if it is just an Alt-Tab or
Ctrl-Tab), not firing up the browser

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:40:18 -0400 in
Ray B
wrote:
I'm not fond of the "post a link" option.

Let's run some numbers for you.

From april 11th until june 30th, approximately 90M of photos were posted
to abpo.
On a small photo site those images would consume about 90M of disk
space.
Just by posting those photos to a single standalone news server would
increase that to 120M of disk space.
As USENET is distributed, you then end up with a copy at each site
that carries the newsgroup. Looking at sources of binaries posted to
abpo, that's 8 servers so nearly a gig.
Now to put that in perspective. An active, but low traffic
porn newsgroup would see that kind of activity in a day.
An active, but low traffic tv show binary newsgroup would see that kind
of activity in a minute.

Most picture-posting sites are rather cludgy to move around in, and as
they
require that you load a browser to view them while attempting to have
your
discussion here, are FAR less convenient.

Yes, and yes.
I don't quite follow having to load a browser as inconvenient.
You load the browser and keep it running. You load the news reader
and keep it running, and you switch between windows.
I admit I don't keep up to date on current GUI news reader software.
I run some rather old fashioned news reader software that works
perfectly well with the computer terminals of 30 years ago. But I've also
been
running a terminal emulator that lets me click on a URL and select
copy to clipboard or open in browser for 10 years....

And that goes back to "Pick a couple photo websites that don't suck."
Criteria to consider are things like
1) Can I access any picture I posted with a URL that is 72 characters
at most?
2) Can I copy the URL to my clipboard, tell the browser to destroy
all cookies, exit the browser, start the browser, paste the URL
and have it load without being prompted to sign in to the site?
3) Do the folks running the site attempt to restrict my rights on
my creative content if I post that creative content on their site?

As far as another site that allows both, you'd have to find one that
allows
uploads. Most forums require the URL of a photo in order to view it,
which
is better than posting a link, but is an extra step, therefore a hurdle.
The Orchid Source forum is one site that does allow uploads, but storing
photos takes up room, so becomes expensive, and while it may be
voluntary,
regular participants SHOULD contribute.

Disk is cheap, bandwidth and and colo rental are expensive.


--
Chris Dukes
"Let all the babies be born. Then let us drown those we do not like."
-- G. K. Chesterton.

Most picture-posting sites are rather cludgy to move about in, and as they require that you amount a browser to appearance them while attempting to accept your discussion here, are FAR beneath convenient.