Test for Gene
 

Since we've had the rug pulled out from under us and no way of fixing it, we
need to look for alternate solutions.
1. Some foresighted member can make a new site so we can talk and post as we
have in the past This would take time and money. I don't think most of us
would mind contributing to a good cause.
2. We all upload to our favorite picture site and post links to rec.orchids
which will probably be gone in a year or so and we'll be right back where we
were. Let's face it. All these do-good things the Big-ISPs do is feel-good
comunnity contribution and really doesn't make them any money or get them
any good press.
3. We can all hope Kye is a step ahead of us and things will be fine in a
week to so. It takes a lot of time to put one of these together. Oh, and did
I say money?
4. If we continue to not hear from Kye, we can all kiss each other on the
cheek and say "Nice knowing you. See you sometime soon."
Is there someone with the experience willing to put a site together with
community support?
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Try this.

Diana

Test for Gene
 

In order:

1. Chris has mentioned the possibility of a new site. But do we really need
it?

2. The *post elsewhere and link here* option is a good idea and has been
mentioned several times.

3. I have faith in Kye. And he does have a *real job*, so I'm willing to
wait.

4. Kiss each other goodbye? Lousy option, IMNSHO. There is too much to be
learned and enjoyed in a community that has cohesed as we have.

5. A fifth option is to join one of the other orchid sites. I'm forgetting
the name of the site now, but there is one run by someone called Marty, I
believe. I have gone there rarely.

For the time being, I vote for option #2. If it ever stops raining here I'll
take some pictures and start posting.

Diana

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Since we've had the rug pulled out from under us and no way of fixing it,
we need to look for alternate solutions.
1. Some foresighted member can make a new site so we can talk and post as
we have in the past This would take time and money. I don't think most of
us would mind contributing to a good cause.
2. We all upload to our favorite picture site and post links to
rec.orchids which will probably be gone in a year or so and we'll be right
back where we were. Let's face it. All these do-good things the Big-ISPs
do is feel-good comunnity contribution and really doesn't make them any
money or get them any good press.
3. We can all hope Kye is a step ahead of us and things will be fine in a
week to so. It takes a lot of time to put one of these together. Oh, and
did I say money?
4. If we continue to not hear from Kye, we can all kiss each other on the
cheek and say "Nice knowing you. See you sometime soon."
Is there someone with the experience willing to put a site together with
community support?
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Try this.

Diana

Test for Gene
 

Well I haven't been affected yet, with Cox, guess it's just a matter of
time.
I still think this is a greediness for the not so almighty dollar!
Gary have you noticed anyone in your other NewsGroups that
have mentioned this or been affected? I have two other alt.binaries
groups & there has been no mention of it that I am aware of.

I will wait for Kye he will come through and in the mean time
we can still chat here.
Cheers Wendy

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Since we've had the rug pulled out from under us and no way of fixing it,
we need to look for alternate solutions.
1. Some foresighted member can make a new site so we can talk and post as
we have in the past This would take time and money. I don't think most of
us would mind contributing to a good cause.
2. We all upload to our favorite picture site and post links to
rec.orchids which will probably be gone in a year or so and we'll be right
back where we were. Let's face it. All these do-good things the Big-ISPs
do is feel-good comunnity contribution and really doesn't make them any
money or get them any good press.
3. We can all hope Kye is a step ahead of us and things will be fine in a
week to so. It takes a lot of time to put one of these together. Oh, and
did I say money?
4. If we continue to not hear from Kye, we can all kiss each other on the
cheek and say "Nice knowing you. See you sometime soon."
Is there someone with the experience willing to put a site together with
community support?
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Try this.

Diana

Test for Gene
 

Wendy, if you are still getting to the binaries groups that's great. As for
your other two groups, how would you know if someone got knocked off? The
reason we all know what's going on and who has been affected is that we have
two groups, and all of us can still get to rgo.

Yeesh, it feels like we're in the French Resistance or something!

Diana

"Wendy7" wrote in message
...
Well I haven't been affected yet, with Cox, guess it's just a matter of
time.
I still think this is a greediness for the not so almighty dollar!
Gary have you noticed anyone in your other NewsGroups that
have mentioned this or been affected? I have two other alt.binaries
groups & there has been no mention of it that I am aware of.

I will wait for Kye he will come through and in the mean time
we can still chat here.
Cheers Wendy

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Since we've had the rug pulled out from under us and no way of fixing it,
we need to look for alternate solutions.
1. Some foresighted member can make a new site so we can talk and post as
we have in the past This would take time and money. I don't think most of
us would mind contributing to a good cause.
2. We all upload to our favorite picture site and post links to
rec.orchids which will probably be gone in a year or so and we'll be
right back where we were. Let's face it. All these do-good things the
Big-ISPs do is feel-good comunnity contribution and really doesn't make
them any money or get them any good press.
3. We can all hope Kye is a step ahead of us and things will be fine in a
week to so. It takes a lot of time to put one of these together. Oh, and
did I say money?
4. If we continue to not hear from Kye, we can all kiss each other on the
cheek and say "Nice knowing you. See you sometime soon."
Is there someone with the experience willing to put a site together with
community support?
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Try this.

Diana

Test for Gene
 

Yes, Wendy, all the alt.binary Newsgroups are gone. It wasn't selective on
abpo. The rec.gardens newsgroups are fine. So when Cox decides to join the
pack all the abp newsgroups will disappear.
Gary

"Wendy7" wrote in message
...
Well I haven't been affected yet, with Cox, guess it's just a matter of
time.
I still think this is a greediness for the not so almighty dollar!
Gary have you noticed anyone in your other NewsGroups that
have mentioned this or been affected? I have two other alt.binaries
groups & there has been no mention of it that I am aware of.

I will wait for Kye he will come through and in the mean time
we can still chat here.
Cheers Wendy

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Since we've had the rug pulled out from under us and no way of fixing it,
we need to look for alternate solutions.
1. Some foresighted member can make a new site so we can talk and post as
we have in the past This would take time and money. I don't think most of
us would mind contributing to a good cause.
2. We all upload to our favorite picture site and post links to
rec.orchids which will probably be gone in a year or so and we'll be
right back where we were. Let's face it. All these do-good things the
Big-ISPs do is feel-good comunnity contribution and really doesn't make
them any money or get them any good press.
3. We can all hope Kye is a step ahead of us and things will be fine in a
week to so. It takes a lot of time to put one of these together. Oh, and
did I say money?
4. If we continue to not hear from Kye, we can all kiss each other on the
cheek and say "Nice knowing you. See you sometime soon."
Is there someone with the experience willing to put a site together with
community support?
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Try this.

Diana

Test for Gene
 

1&3 may actually be the same thing. If Kye "fixes" things, it won't be on
abpo. I believe it will have to be in the form of a new web site kind of in
the format of some of the many "forums" now online. I believe #2 is a good
idea as a temporary solution but it's too tentative. One of these days
rec.gardens.orchids will disappear the same way abpo did and where will we
be then? One of us will have to act as a central posting site and then we're
back to #1. I agree with you on #4. I was just being a bit glum thinking
about this whole thing, like you, having had the rug pulling out from under
me. I came into the group while Kye was still posting a couple of years ago.
Recently he's been inactive which brings out the pessimism in me. Some of
the newsfeeds like Motzarella which feeds all newsgroups or an English site
the feeds just gardening newsgoups (.rec and .alt groups) are viable
alternatives. You have to get used to new formats but they work just like
bellsouth newsfeeds did (do). It's not the site that makes the group, it's
the people. So no matter how you get to the newsgroups we can still be the
community we are now. We just all have to get there. The ISPs have just
broken up our way to the meetingplace, not the meetingplace..If someone
finds the "best" way please let us all know.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
In order:

1. Chris has mentioned the possibility of a new site. But do we really
need it?

2. The *post elsewhere and link here* option is a good idea and has been
mentioned several times.

3. I have faith in Kye. And he does have a *real job*, so I'm willing to
wait.

4. Kiss each other goodbye? Lousy option, IMNSHO. There is too much to be
learned and enjoyed in a community that has cohesed as we have.

5. A fifth option is to join one of the other orchid sites. I'm forgetting
the name of the site now, but there is one run by someone called Marty, I
believe. I have gone there rarely.

For the time being, I vote for option #2. If it ever stops raining here
I'll take some pictures and start posting.

Diana

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Since we've had the rug pulled out from under us and no way of fixing it,
we need to look for alternate solutions.
1. Some foresighted member can make a new site so we can talk and post as
we have in the past This would take time and money. I don't think most of
us would mind contributing to a good cause.
2. We all upload to our favorite picture site and post links to
rec.orchids which will probably be gone in a year or so and we'll be
right back where we were. Let's face it. All these do-good things the
Big-ISPs do is feel-good comunnity contribution and really doesn't make
them any money or get them any good press.
3. We can all hope Kye is a step ahead of us and things will be fine in a
week to so. It takes a lot of time to put one of these together. Oh, and
did I say money?
4. If we continue to not hear from Kye, we can all kiss each other on the
cheek and say "Nice knowing you. See you sometime soon."
Is there someone with the experience willing to put a site together with
community support?
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Try this.

Diana

Test for Gene
 

Gary,

I am still here and working actively on this issue, but am having to pull a
large amount of overtime right now to get keep things rolling....

And no, my solution will be a newsgroup based solution.

Kye.

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
1&3 may actually be the same thing. If Kye "fixes" things, it won't be on
abpo. I believe it will have to be in the form of a new web site kind of
in the format of some of the many "forums" now online. I believe #2 is a
good idea as a temporary solution but it's too tentative. One of these
days rec.gardens.orchids will disappear the same way abpo did and where
will we be then? One of us will have to act as a central posting site and
then we're back to #1. I agree with you on #4. I was just being a bit
glum thinking about this whole thing, like you, having had the rug pulling
out from under me. I came into the group while Kye was still posting a
couple of years ago. Recently he's been inactive which brings out the
pessimism in me. Some of the newsfeeds like Motzarella which feeds all
newsgroups or an English site the feeds just gardening newsgoups (.rec and
.alt groups) are viable alternatives. You have to get used to new formats
but they work just like bellsouth newsfeeds did (do). It's not the site
that makes the group, it's the people. So no matter how you get to the
newsgroups we can still be the community we are now. We just all have to
get there. The ISPs have just broken up our way to the meetingplace, not
the meetingplace..If someone finds the "best" way please let us all know.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
In order:

1. Chris has mentioned the possibility of a new site. But do we really
need it?

2. The *post elsewhere and link here* option is a good idea and has been
mentioned several times.

3. I have faith in Kye. And he does have a *real job*, so I'm willing to
wait.

4. Kiss each other goodbye? Lousy option, IMNSHO. There is too much to be
learned and enjoyed in a community that has cohesed as we have.

5. A fifth option is to join one of the other orchid sites. I'm
forgetting the name of the site now, but there is one run by someone
called Marty, I believe. I have gone there rarely.

For the time being, I vote for option #2. If it ever stops raining here
I'll take some pictures and start posting.

Diana

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Since we've had the rug pulled out from under us and no way of fixing
it, we need to look for alternate solutions.
1. Some foresighted member can make a new site so we can talk and post
as we have in the past This would take time and money. I don't think
most of us would mind contributing to a good cause.
2. We all upload to our favorite picture site and post links to
rec.orchids which will probably be gone in a year or so and we'll be
right back where we were. Let's face it. All these do-good things the
Big-ISPs do is feel-good comunnity contribution and really doesn't make
them any money or get them any good press.
3. We can all hope Kye is a step ahead of us and things will be fine in
a week to so. It takes a lot of time to put one of these together. Oh,
and did I say money?
4. If we continue to not hear from Kye, we can all kiss each other on
the cheek and say "Nice knowing you. See you sometime soon."
Is there someone with the experience willing to put a site together with
community support?
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Try this.

Diana

Test for Gene
 

Actually, what Kye is working on is a private server that will allow us to
go to abpo. (See his post below for confirmation.) Meanwhile, let's post at
free photo share sites and keep in touch.

And just maybe it would be a good idea if someone were to get all the email
addies from abpo and rgo so that we can, indeed, reconnect if *all* the rugs
are pulled out. I would volunteer to keep those email addies in a group that
I could then contact if we get broken up without notice.

I know how pessimistic you must feel. It's a little bit of a jolt to the
system. No, a big jolt.

Hey! We are family!!

Diana

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
1&3 may actually be the same thing. If Kye "fixes" things, it won't be on
abpo. I believe it will have to be in the form of a new web site kind of
in the format of some of the many "forums" now online. I believe #2 is a
good idea as a temporary solution but it's too tentative. One of these
days rec.gardens.orchids will disappear the same way abpo did and where
will we be then? One of us will have to act as a central posting site and
then we're back to #1. I agree with you on #4. I was just being a bit
glum thinking about this whole thing, like you, having had the rug pulling
out from under me. I came into the group while Kye was still posting a
couple of years ago. Recently he's been inactive which brings out the
pessimism in me. Some of the newsfeeds like Motzarella which feeds all
newsgroups or an English site the feeds just gardening newsgoups (.rec and
.alt groups) are viable alternatives. You have to get used to new formats
but they work just like bellsouth newsfeeds did (do). It's not the site
that makes the group, it's the people. So no matter how you get to the
newsgroups we can still be the community we are now. We just all have to
get there. The ISPs have just broken up our way to the meetingplace, not
the meetingplace..If someone finds the "best" way please let us all know.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
In order:

1. Chris has mentioned the possibility of a new site. But do we really
need it?

2. The *post elsewhere and link here* option is a good idea and has been
mentioned several times.

3. I have faith in Kye. And he does have a *real job*, so I'm willing to
wait.

4. Kiss each other goodbye? Lousy option, IMNSHO. There is too much to be
learned and enjoyed in a community that has cohesed as we have.

5. A fifth option is to join one of the other orchid sites. I'm
forgetting the name of the site now, but there is one run by someone
called Marty, I believe. I have gone there rarely.

For the time being, I vote for option #2. If it ever stops raining here
I'll take some pictures and start posting.

Diana

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Since we've had the rug pulled out from under us and no way of fixing
it, we need to look for alternate solutions.
1. Some foresighted member can make a new site so we can talk and post
as we have in the past This would take time and money. I don't think
most of us would mind contributing to a good cause.
2. We all upload to our favorite picture site and post links to
rec.orchids which will probably be gone in a year or so and we'll be
right back where we were. Let's face it. All these do-good things the
Big-ISPs do is feel-good comunnity contribution and really doesn't make
them any money or get them any good press.
3. We can all hope Kye is a step ahead of us and things will be fine in
a week to so. It takes a lot of time to put one of these together. Oh,
and did I say money?
4. If we continue to not hear from Kye, we can all kiss each other on
the cheek and say "Nice knowing you. See you sometime soon."
Is there someone with the experience willing to put a site together with
community support?
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Try this.

Diana

Test for Gene
 

Aah of course but I just didn't even hear or read anything at all?
"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Wendy, if you are still getting to the binaries groups that's great. As
for your other two groups, how would you know if someone got knocked off?
The reason we all know what's going on and who has been affected is that
we have two groups, and all of us can still get to rgo.

Yeesh, it feels like we're in the French Resistance or something!

Diana

"Wendy7" wrote in message
...
Well I haven't been affected yet, with Cox, guess it's just a matter of
time.
I still think this is a greediness for the not so almighty dollar!
Gary have you noticed anyone in your other NewsGroups that
have mentioned this or been affected? I have two other alt.binaries
groups & there has been no mention of it that I am aware of.

I will wait for Kye he will come through and in the mean time
we can still chat here.
Cheers Wendy

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Since we've had the rug pulled out from under us and no way of fixing
it, we need to look for alternate solutions.
1. Some foresighted member can make a new site so we can talk and post
as we have in the past This would take time and money. I don't think
most of us would mind contributing to a good cause.
2. We all upload to our favorite picture site and post links to
rec.orchids which will probably be gone in a year or so and we'll be
right back where we were. Let's face it. All these do-good things the
Big-ISPs do is feel-good comunnity contribution and really doesn't make
them any money or get them any good press.
3. We can all hope Kye is a step ahead of us and things will be fine in
a week to so. It takes a lot of time to put one of these together. Oh,
and did I say money?
4. If we continue to not hear from Kye, we can all kiss each other on
the cheek and say "Nice knowing you. See you sometime soon."
Is there someone with the experience willing to put a site together with
community support?
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Try this.

Diana

Test for Gene
 

Oh ok I understand now, it just takes me a while!
So for now it's just you, me & Bobby Mc Ghee.
Cheers Wendy
"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Yes, Wendy, all the alt.binary Newsgroups are gone. It wasn't selective on
abpo. The rec.gardens newsgroups are fine. So when Cox decides to join the
pack all the abp newsgroups will disappear.
Gary

"Wendy7" wrote in message
...
Well I haven't been affected yet, with Cox, guess it's just a matter of
time.
I still think this is a greediness for the not so almighty dollar!
Gary have you noticed anyone in your other NewsGroups that
have mentioned this or been affected? I have two other alt.binaries
groups & there has been no mention of it that I am aware of.

I will wait for Kye he will come through and in the mean time
we can still chat here.
Cheers Wendy

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Since we've had the rug pulled out from under us and no way of fixing
it, we need to look for alternate solutions.
1. Some foresighted member can make a new site so we can talk and post
as we have in the past This would take time and money. I don't think
most of us would mind contributing to a good cause.
2. We all upload to our favorite picture site and post links to
rec.orchids which will probably be gone in a year or so and we'll be
right back where we were. Let's face it. All these do-good things the
Big-ISPs do is feel-good comunnity contribution and really doesn't make
them any money or get them any good press.
3. We can all hope Kye is a step ahead of us and things will be fine in
a week to so. It takes a lot of time to put one of these together. Oh,
and did I say money?
4. If we continue to not hear from Kye, we can all kiss each other on
the cheek and say "Nice knowing you. See you sometime soon."
Is there someone with the experience willing to put a site together with
community support?
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Try this.

Diana

Test for Gene
 

And a dog called Blue..........

Diana

"Wendy7" wrote in message
...
Oh ok I understand now, it just takes me a while!
So for now it's just you, me & Bobby Mc Ghee.
Cheers Wendy
"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Yes, Wendy, all the alt.binary Newsgroups are gone. It wasn't selective
on abpo. The rec.gardens newsgroups are fine. So when Cox decides to join
the pack all the abp newsgroups will disappear.
Gary

"Wendy7" wrote in message
...
Well I haven't been affected yet, with Cox, guess it's just a matter of
time.
I still think this is a greediness for the not so almighty dollar!
Gary have you noticed anyone in your other NewsGroups that
have mentioned this or been affected? I have two other alt.binaries
groups & there has been no mention of it that I am aware of.

I will wait for Kye he will come through and in the mean time
we can still chat here.
Cheers Wendy

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Since we've had the rug pulled out from under us and no way of fixing
it, we need to look for alternate solutions.
1. Some foresighted member can make a new site so we can talk and post
as we have in the past This would take time and money. I don't think
most of us would mind contributing to a good cause.
2. We all upload to our favorite picture site and post links to
rec.orchids which will probably be gone in a year or so and we'll be
right back where we were. Let's face it. All these do-good things the
Big-ISPs do is feel-good comunnity contribution and really doesn't make
them any money or get them any good press.
3. We can all hope Kye is a step ahead of us and things will be fine in
a week to so. It takes a lot of time to put one of these together. Oh,
and did I say money?
4. If we continue to not hear from Kye, we can all kiss each other on
the cheek and say "Nice knowing you. See you sometime soon."
Is there someone with the experience willing to put a site together
with community support?
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Try this.

Diana

Test for Gene
 

I'm not fond of the "post a link" option.

Most picture-posting sites are rather cludgy to move around in, and as they
require that you load a browser to view them while attempting to have your
discussion here, are FAR less convenient.

As far as another site that allows both, you'd have to find one that allows
uploads. Most forums require the URL of a photo in order to view it, which
is better than posting a link, but is an extra step, therefore a hurdle.
The Orchid Source forum is one site that does allow uploads, but storing
photos takes up room, so becomes expensive, and while it may be voluntary,
regular participants SHOULD contribute.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
In order:

1. Chris has mentioned the possibility of a new site. But do we really
need it?

2. The *post elsewhere and link here* option is a good idea and has been
mentioned several times.

3. I have faith in Kye. And he does have a *real job*, so I'm willing to
wait.

4. Kiss each other goodbye? Lousy option, IMNSHO. There is too much to be
learned and enjoyed in a community that has cohesed as we have.

5. A fifth option is to join one of the other orchid sites. I'm forgetting
the name of the site now, but there is one run by someone called Marty, I
believe. I have gone there rarely.

For the time being, I vote for option #2. If it ever stops raining here
I'll take some pictures and start posting.

Diana

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Since we've had the rug pulled out from under us and no way of fixing it,
we need to look for alternate solutions.
1. Some foresighted member can make a new site so we can talk and post as
we have in the past This would take time and money. I don't think most of
us would mind contributing to a good cause.
2. We all upload to our favorite picture site and post links to
rec.orchids which will probably be gone in a year or so and we'll be
right back where we were. Let's face it. All these do-good things the
Big-ISPs do is feel-good comunnity contribution and really doesn't make
them any money or get them any good press.
3. We can all hope Kye is a step ahead of us and things will be fine in a
week to so. It takes a lot of time to put one of these together. Oh, and
did I say money?
4. If we continue to not hear from Kye, we can all kiss each other on the
cheek and say "Nice knowing you. See you sometime soon."
Is there someone with the experience willing to put a site together with
community support?
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Try this.

Diana

Test for Gene
 

Not necessarily, Gary.

If Kye's solution is an nntp server, maybe carrying a single newsgroup....

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
1&3 may actually be the same thing. If Kye "fixes" things, it won't be on
abpo. I believe it will have to be in the form of a new web site kind of
in the format of some of the many "forums" now online. I believe #2 is a
good idea as a temporary solution but it's too tentative. One of these
days rec.gardens.orchids will disappear the same way abpo did and where
will we be then? One of us will have to act as a central posting site and
then we're back to #1. I agree with you on #4. I was just being a bit
glum thinking about this whole thing, like you, having had the rug pulling
out from under me. I came into the group while Kye was still posting a
couple of years ago. Recently he's been inactive which brings out the
pessimism in me. Some of the newsfeeds like Motzarella which feeds all
newsgroups or an English site the feeds just gardening newsgoups (.rec and
.alt groups) are viable alternatives. You have to get used to new formats
but they work just like bellsouth newsfeeds did (do). It's not the site
that makes the group, it's the people. So no matter how you get to the
newsgroups we can still be the community we are now. We just all have to
get there. The ISPs have just broken up our way to the meetingplace, not
the meetingplace..If someone finds the "best" way please let us all know.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
In order:

1. Chris has mentioned the possibility of a new site. But do we really
need it?

2. The *post elsewhere and link here* option is a good idea and has been
mentioned several times.

3. I have faith in Kye. And he does have a *real job*, so I'm willing to
wait.

4. Kiss each other goodbye? Lousy option, IMNSHO. There is too much to be
learned and enjoyed in a community that has cohesed as we have.

5. A fifth option is to join one of the other orchid sites. I'm
forgetting the name of the site now, but there is one run by someone
called Marty, I believe. I have gone there rarely.

For the time being, I vote for option #2. If it ever stops raining here
I'll take some pictures and start posting.

Diana

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Since we've had the rug pulled out from under us and no way of fixing
it, we need to look for alternate solutions.
1. Some foresighted member can make a new site so we can talk and post
as we have in the past This would take time and money. I don't think
most of us would mind contributing to a good cause.
2. We all upload to our favorite picture site and post links to
rec.orchids which will probably be gone in a year or so and we'll be
right back where we were. Let's face it. All these do-good things the
Big-ISPs do is feel-good comunnity contribution and really doesn't make
them any money or get them any good press.
3. We can all hope Kye is a step ahead of us and things will be fine in
a week to so. It takes a lot of time to put one of these together. Oh,
and did I say money?
4. If we continue to not hear from Kye, we can all kiss each other on
the cheek and say "Nice knowing you. See you sometime soon."
Is there someone with the experience willing to put a site together with
community support?
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Try this.

Diana

Test for Gene
 

It wouldn't surprise me for an instant if the ISP's are using the porn
excuse to cut back on infrastructure. The fact that the internet porn
industry flourishes is a sure sign they don't have any morals on the
subject. "We just run computers..."

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"Wendy7" wrote in message
...
Well I haven't been affected yet, with Cox, guess it's just a matter of
time.
I still think this is a greediness for the not so almighty dollar!
Gary have you noticed anyone in your other NewsGroups that
have mentioned this or been affected? I have two other alt.binaries
groups & there has been no mention of it that I am aware of.

I will wait for Kye he will come through and in the mean time
we can still chat here.
Cheers Wendy

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Since we've had the rug pulled out from under us and no way of fixing it,
we need to look for alternate solutions.
1. Some foresighted member can make a new site so we can talk and post as
we have in the past This would take time and money. I don't think most of
us would mind contributing to a good cause.
2. We all upload to our favorite picture site and post links to
rec.orchids which will probably be gone in a year or so and we'll be
right back where we were. Let's face it. All these do-good things the
Big-ISPs do is feel-good comunnity contribution and really doesn't make
them any money or get them any good press.
3. We can all hope Kye is a step ahead of us and things will be fine in a
week to so. It takes a lot of time to put one of these together. Oh, and
did I say money?
4. If we continue to not hear from Kye, we can all kiss each other on the
cheek and say "Nice knowing you. See you sometime soon."
Is there someone with the experience willing to put a site together with
community support?
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Try this.

Diana

Test for Gene
 

Thank you so much for clearing up all my speculation, fears, and turmoil
caused by my reation to this latest ploy of the big ISPs to cast off any of
the time, energy, and responsibility spent on supplying customer interaction
which doesn't build cash assets. I should have listened to those who knew
you better than I did. Since you have been involved in your real job which
is obviously more important it kept you from posting here. I was trying to
be more proactive in the absence of information from you and others. I wish
you had just dropped a public note earlier and I would have been more than
content to let you handle things. I didn't even think of Ray's idea of an
nntp server handling a single newsgroup. Anyway, thanks for everything. God
bless.
Gary

"BIO-Dex Consulting" wrote in message
...
Gary,

I am still here and working actively on this issue, but am having to pull
a large amount of overtime right now to get keep things rolling....

And no, my solution will be a newsgroup based solution.

Kye.

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
1&3 may actually be the same thing. If Kye "fixes" things, it won't be on
abpo. I believe it will have to be in the form of a new web site kind of
in the format of some of the many "forums" now online. I believe #2 is a
good idea as a temporary solution but it's too tentative. One of these
days rec.gardens.orchids will disappear the same way abpo did and where
will we be then? One of us will have to act as a central posting site and
then we're back to #1. I agree with you on #4. I was just being a bit
glum thinking about this whole thing, like you, having had the rug
pulling out from under me. I came into the group while Kye was still
posting a couple of years ago. Recently he's been inactive which brings
out the pessimism in me. Some of the newsfeeds like Motzarella which
feeds all newsgroups or an English site the feeds just gardening
newsgoups (.rec and .alt groups) are viable alternatives. You have to get
used to new formats but they work just like bellsouth newsfeeds did (do).
It's not the site that makes the group, it's the people. So no matter how
you get to the newsgroups we can still be the community we are now. We
just all have to get there. The ISPs have just broken up our way to the
meetingplace, not the meetingplace..If someone finds the "best" way
please let us all know.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
In order:

1. Chris has mentioned the possibility of a new site. But do we really
need it?

2. The *post elsewhere and link here* option is a good idea and has been
mentioned several times.

3. I have faith in Kye. And he does have a *real job*, so I'm willing to
wait.

4. Kiss each other goodbye? Lousy option, IMNSHO. There is too much to
be learned and enjoyed in a community that has cohesed as we have.

5. A fifth option is to join one of the other orchid sites. I'm
forgetting the name of the site now, but there is one run by someone
called Marty, I believe. I have gone there rarely.

For the time being, I vote for option #2. If it ever stops raining here
I'll take some pictures and start posting.

Diana

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Since we've had the rug pulled out from under us and no way of fixing
it, we need to look for alternate solutions.
1. Some foresighted member can make a new site so we can talk and post
as we have in the past This would take time and money. I don't think
most of us would mind contributing to a good cause.
2. We all upload to our favorite picture site and post links to
rec.orchids which will probably be gone in a year or so and we'll be
right back where we were. Let's face it. All these do-good things the
Big-ISPs do is feel-good comunnity contribution and really doesn't make
them any money or get them any good press.
3. We can all hope Kye is a step ahead of us and things will be fine in
a week to so. It takes a lot of time to put one of these together. Oh,
and did I say money?
4. If we continue to not hear from Kye, we can all kiss each other on
the cheek and say "Nice knowing you. See you sometime soon."
Is there someone with the experience willing to put a site together
with community support?
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Try this.

Diana

Test for Gene
 

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:23:41 -0400 in v_coerulea wrote:

And to put some perspective on things...

http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs-2.4/
is the set of documentation for the news server software I used to run.
Commercial software such as typhoon tends to be of similar
complexity.

That's just the software.
Then there's negotiating the colocation facility if you don't have
business class internet connectivity at home or a very kind employer.
Then there's negotiating with upstream feeds.
And if you're planning to allow posting, adding a registration mechanism
to keep spambots from abusing the server.
--
Chris Dukes
"Let all the babies be born. Then let us drown those we do not like."
-- G. K. Chesterton.

Test for Gene
 

Or. . . . . and a 'chid named blue! *G*
"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
And a dog called Blue..........

Diana

"Wendy7" wrote in message
...
Oh ok I understand now, it just takes me a while!
So for now it's just you, me & Bobby Mc Ghee.
Cheers Wendy
"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Yes, Wendy, all the alt.binary Newsgroups are gone. It wasn't selective
on abpo. The rec.gardens newsgroups are fine. So when Cox decides to
join the pack all the abp newsgroups will disappear.
Gary

"Wendy7" wrote in message
...
Well I haven't been affected yet, with Cox, guess it's just a matter of
time.
I still think this is a greediness for the not so almighty dollar!
Gary have you noticed anyone in your other NewsGroups that
have mentioned this or been affected? I have two other alt.binaries
groups & there has been no mention of it that I am aware of.

I will wait for Kye he will come through and in the mean time
we can still chat here.
Cheers Wendy

"v_coerulea" wrote in message
...
Since we've had the rug pulled out from under us and no way of fixing
it, we need to look for alternate solutions.
1. Some foresighted member can make a new site so we can talk and post
as we have in the past This would take time and money. I don't think
most of us would mind contributing to a good cause.
2. We all upload to our favorite picture site and post links to
rec.orchids which will probably be gone in a year or so and we'll be
right back where we were. Let's face it. All these do-good things the
Big-ISPs do is feel-good comunnity contribution and really doesn't
make them any money or get them any good press.
3. We can all hope Kye is a step ahead of us and things will be fine
in a week to so. It takes a lot of time to put one of these together.
Oh, and did I say money?
4. If we continue to not hear from Kye, we can all kiss each other on
the cheek and say "Nice knowing you. See you sometime soon."
Is there someone with the experience willing to put a site together
with community support?
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Try this.

Diana

Test for Gene
 

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:40:18 -0400 in Ray B wrote:
I'm not fond of the "post a link" option.

Let's run some numbers for you.

From april 11th until june 30th, approximately 90M of photos were posted
to abpo.
On a small photo site those images would consume about 90M of disk
space.
Just by posting those photos to a single standalone news server would
increase that to 120M of disk space.
As USENET is distributed, you then end up with a copy at each site
that carries the newsgroup. Looking at sources of binaries posted to
abpo, that's 8 servers so nearly a gig.
Now to put that in perspective. An active, but low traffic
porn newsgroup would see that kind of activity in a day.
An active, but low traffic tv show binary newsgroup would see that kind
of activity in a minute.

Most picture-posting sites are rather cludgy to move around in, and as they
require that you load a browser to view them while attempting to have your
discussion here, are FAR less convenient.

Yes, and yes.
I don't quite follow having to load a browser as inconvenient.
You load the browser and keep it running. You load the news reader
and keep it running, and you switch between windows.
I admit I don't keep up to date on current GUI news reader software.
I run some rather old fashioned news reader software that works
perfectly well with the computer terminals of 30 years ago. But I've also been
running a terminal emulator that lets me click on a URL and select
copy to clipboard or open in browser for 10 years....

And that goes back to "Pick a couple photo websites that don't suck."
Criteria to consider are things like
1) Can I access any picture I posted with a URL that is 72 characters
at most?
2) Can I copy the URL to my clipboard, tell the browser to destroy
all cookies, exit the browser, start the browser, paste the URL
and have it load without being prompted to sign in to the site?
3) Do the folks running the site attempt to restrict my rights on
my creative content if I post that creative content on their site?

As far as another site that allows both, you'd have to find one that allows
uploads. Most forums require the URL of a photo in order to view it, which
is better than posting a link, but is an extra step, therefore a hurdle.
The Orchid Source forum is one site that does allow uploads, but storing
photos takes up room, so becomes expensive, and while it may be voluntary,
regular participants SHOULD contribute.

Disk is cheap, bandwidth and and colo rental are expensive.


--
Chris Dukes
"Let all the babies be born. Then let us drown those we do not like."
-- G. K. Chesterton.

Test for Gene
 

Chris,

The inconvenience is going back-and-forth (even if it is just an Alt-Tab or
Ctrl-Tab), not firing up the browser

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:40:18 -0400 in
Ray B
wrote:
I'm not fond of the "post a link" option.

Let's run some numbers for you.

From april 11th until june 30th, approximately 90M of photos were posted
to abpo.
On a small photo site those images would consume about 90M of disk
space.
Just by posting those photos to a single standalone news server would
increase that to 120M of disk space.
As USENET is distributed, you then end up with a copy at each site
that carries the newsgroup. Looking at sources of binaries posted to
abpo, that's 8 servers so nearly a gig.
Now to put that in perspective. An active, but low traffic
porn newsgroup would see that kind of activity in a day.
An active, but low traffic tv show binary newsgroup would see that kind
of activity in a minute.

Most picture-posting sites are rather cludgy to move around in, and as
they
require that you load a browser to view them while attempting to have
your
discussion here, are FAR less convenient.

Yes, and yes.
I don't quite follow having to load a browser as inconvenient.
You load the browser and keep it running. You load the news reader
and keep it running, and you switch between windows.
I admit I don't keep up to date on current GUI news reader software.
I run some rather old fashioned news reader software that works
perfectly well with the computer terminals of 30 years ago. But I've also
been
running a terminal emulator that lets me click on a URL and select
copy to clipboard or open in browser for 10 years....

And that goes back to "Pick a couple photo websites that don't suck."
Criteria to consider are things like
1) Can I access any picture I posted with a URL that is 72 characters
at most?
2) Can I copy the URL to my clipboard, tell the browser to destroy
all cookies, exit the browser, start the browser, paste the URL
and have it load without being prompted to sign in to the site?
3) Do the folks running the site attempt to restrict my rights on
my creative content if I post that creative content on their site?

As far as another site that allows both, you'd have to find one that
allows
uploads. Most forums require the URL of a photo in order to view it,
which
is better than posting a link, but is an extra step, therefore a hurdle.
The Orchid Source forum is one site that does allow uploads, but storing
photos takes up room, so becomes expensive, and while it may be
voluntary,
regular participants SHOULD contribute.

Disk is cheap, bandwidth and and colo rental are expensive.


--
Chris Dukes
"Let all the babies be born. Then let us drown those we do not like."
-- G. K. Chesterton.

Most picture-posting sites are rather cludgy to move about in, and as they require that you amount a browser to appearance them while attempting to accept your discussion here, are FAR beneath convenient.