Hello Again , ABPO ?
Hello all , i have not posted for a long time .
I know this may have been covered before but cannot find trace .What has happened to abpo i only have 4 posts and none are of orchids it has been like this for a while now , no action . Whats going on ? Regards keith |
Hello Again , ABPO ?
Hi, Keith,
Months back, the major ISPs in the States dropped all binaries groups. It's a long story, but the result is that many (most?) of us can no longer access abpo. One of our long time posters, Kye, from Australia, hooked us up again with a new server. The number is 121.208.40.178. There you can subscribe to two newsgroups: orchids (text group) and orchids.pictures. Hope this helps. It was a royal pain for those of us who got shut down. Diana "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hello all , i have not posted for a long time . I know this may have been covered before but cannot find trace .What has happened to abpo i only have 4 posts and none are of orchids it has been like this for a while now , no action . Whats going on ? Regards keith |
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Hello Diana
Sorry to be a pain in the ass, but how do you access with the I.P no, i use IE 7/Outlook express Thanks Keith Hi, Keith, Months back, the major ISPs in the States dropped all binaries groups. It's a long story, but the result is that many (most?) of us can no longer access abpo. One of our long time posters, Kye, from Australia, hooked us up again with a new server. The number is 121.208.40.178. There you can subscribe to two newsgroups: orchids (text group) and orchids.pictures. Hope this helps. It was a royal pain for those of us who got shut down. Diana "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hello all , i have not posted for a long time . I know this may have been covered before but cannot find trace .What has happened to abpo i only have 4 posts and none are of orchids it has been like this for a while now , no action . Whats going on ? Regards keith |
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Hi, Keith,
It had to be explained to me as well. Go to Tools; then Accounts; then News; then Add. From there, follow the directions and enter the number I gave you where it asks for the name of your server. Then you will need to subscribe (free) to the two newsgroups that the server offers. Diana "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hello Diana Sorry to be a pain in the ass, but how do you access with the I.P no, i use IE 7/Outlook express Thanks Keith Hi, Keith, Months back, the major ISPs in the States dropped all binaries groups. It's a long story, but the result is that many (most?) of us can no longer access abpo. One of our long time posters, Kye, from Australia, hooked us up again with a new server. The number is 121.208.40.178. There you can subscribe to two newsgroups: orchids (text group) and orchids.pictures. Hope this helps. It was a royal pain for those of us who got shut down. Diana "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hello all , i have not posted for a long time . I know this may have been covered before but cannot find trace .What has happened to abpo i only have 4 posts and none are of orchids it has been like this for a while now , no action . Whats going on ? Regards keith |
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On Feb 5, 5:10*pm, "Diana Kulaga"
wrote: Hi, Keith, It had to be explained to me as well. Go to Tools; then Accounts; then News; then Add. From there, follow the directions and enter the number I gave you where it asks for the name of your server. Then you will need to subscribe (free) to the two newsgroups that the server offers. Diana "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hello Diana Sorry to be a pain in the ass, but how do you access with the I.P no, i use IE 7/Outlook express Thanks Keith Hi, Keith, Months back, the major ISPs in the States dropped all binaries groups. It's a long story, but the result is that many (most?) of us can no longer access abpo. One of our long time posters, Kye, from Australia, hooked us up again with a new server. The number is 121.208.40.178. There you can subscribe to two newsgroups: orchids (text group) and orchids.pictures. Hope this helps. It was a royal pain for those of us who got shut down.. Diana "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hello all , i have not posted for a long time . I know this may have been covered before but cannot find trace .What has happened to abpo i only have 4 posts and none are of orchids *it has been like this for a while now , no action . Whats going on ? Regards keith I don't use a newsreader. Is there a web browser based interface for it? If not, what would be involved in creating one? Ted |
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I don't know, Ted. What I do know is that Kye created this server, and you
can't find it unless you have the server number. That will someday change, but that's how it is right now. Someone with more tech savvy than I perhaps will answer. You might want to open a new thread with that question. That way, someone in the know may see it. Diana "Ted Byers" wrote in message ... On Feb 5, 5:10 pm, "Diana Kulaga" wrote: Hi, Keith, It had to be explained to me as well. Go to Tools; then Accounts; then News; then Add. From there, follow the directions and enter the number I gave you where it asks for the name of your server. Then you will need to subscribe (free) to the two newsgroups that the server offers. Diana "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hello Diana Sorry to be a pain in the ass, but how do you access with the I.P no, i use IE 7/Outlook express Thanks Keith Hi, Keith, Months back, the major ISPs in the States dropped all binaries groups. It's a long story, but the result is that many (most?) of us can no longer access abpo. One of our long time posters, Kye, from Australia, hooked us up again with a new server. The number is 121.208.40.178. There you can subscribe to two newsgroups: orchids (text group) and orchids.pictures. Hope this helps. It was a royal pain for those of us who got shut down. Diana "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hello all , i have not posted for a long time . I know this may have been covered before but cannot find trace .What has happened to abpo i only have 4 posts and none are of orchids it has been like this for a while now , no action . Whats going on ? Regards keith I don't use a newsreader. Is there a web browser based interface for it? If not, what would be involved in creating one? Ted |
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Outlook Express has "a newsreader". Diana's instructions below are all
that's needed with Outlook Express. Just open your Outlook Express screen, click on "Tools" at the top of the screen, and follow Diana's instructions. Feel free to ask further if you still get stuck. Chuck B. "Ted Byers" wrote in message ... On Feb 5, 5:10 pm, "Diana Kulaga" wrote: Hi, Keith, It had to be explained to me as well. Go to Tools; then Accounts; then News; then Add. From there, follow the directions and enter the number I gave you where it asks for the name of your server. Then you will need to subscribe (free) to the two newsgroups that the server offers. Diana "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hello Diana Sorry to be a pain in the ass, but how do you access with the I.P no, i use IE 7/Outlook express Thanks Keith Hi, Keith, Months back, the major ISPs in the States dropped all binaries groups. It's a long story, but the result is that many (most?) of us can no longer access abpo. One of our long time posters, Kye, from Australia, hooked us up again with a new server. The number is 121.208.40.178. There you can subscribe to two newsgroups: orchids (text group) and orchids.pictures. Hope this helps. It was a royal pain for those of us who got shut down. Diana "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hello all , i have not posted for a long time . I know this may have been covered before but cannot find trace .What has happened to abpo i only have 4 posts and none are of orchids it has been like this for a while now , no action . Whats going on ? Regards keith I don't use a newsreader. Is there a web browser based interface for it? If not, what would be involved in creating one? Ted |
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On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 22:17:55 -0000 in keith kent wrote:
Hello all , i have not posted for a long time . I know this may have been covered before but cannot find trace .What has happened to abpo i only have 4 posts and none are of orchids it has been like this for a while now , no action . Whats going on ? The ISPs either dropped their USENET servers or dropped binaries from their servers. The free access to USENET tends to be without binaries. Some folks have moved pictures off to sites such as flickr, but the ense of community is fairly destroyed. -- Chris Dukes davej eskimos have hundreds of words for snow. I have two. Bullshit. |
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On Feb 5, 10:11*pm, wrote:
The ISPs either dropped their USENET servers or dropped binaries from their servers. The free access to USENET tends to be without binaries. Some folks have moved pictures off to sites such as flickr, but the sense of community is fairly destroyed. That does not need to be so. Witness the sense of community Facebook has successfully created: actually self organizing multiple communities. A well constructed website can be at least as effective as a usenet newsgroup in creating a sense of community, and provide benefits that would be impossible with usenet. Years ago, Kye and I discussed doing something like this, but it did not progress far as neither of us had the resources to make it work. It appears Kye has been able to at least support a usenet server. In a matter of weeks, I will be hosting my employer's website from my home office. This means that if I had a machine with enough capability, I could host such a website. The idea Kye and I discussed included supporting subscribers being able to store photos, formal botanical descriptions, culture conditions (daily records of temperature and humidity, when the plants is watered, fertilized and how much, plant size through time, production of infloresences/blooms, &c.), as far as the subscriber wishes. I'd add statistical support so a user could examine culture and results for those specimens most similar to their own, checks on specimen identity, &c. With such data, one could easily submit a query to learn what culture practices work best given a particular cultivar and ambient humidity and temperature. I'd even have a section for vendors to publish information on what they have available, so if you're looking for a particular cultivar, it becomes easy to learn who has it, if anyone does have it; and another section supporting subscribers arranging trades of plants, back bulbs, &c. (whatever they wish). Adding in web fora for discussions, and one could make the usenet newsgroups obsolete. At present, I just don't have the money to get the hardware required (though I do have all the requisite software development tools and skills, and then some), and with my current workload, developing all of it will take quite some time. The only way I see any of this happening, though is if someone who can get excited does get enthusiastic enough to enlist sufficient resources to proceed. I can't get excited about much these days because the health challenges I've had recently have been overwhelming. I am pretty tired and discouraged. -- Chris Dukes davej eskimos have hundreds of words for snow. I have two. *Bullshit.. I have two too: snow, and pretty (at least when it is fresh, before the plows and sanders corrupt it). ;-) Cheers, Ted |
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On Feb 5, 8:38*pm, "C. Berlin" wrote:
Outlook Express has "a newsreader". *Diana's instructions below are all that's needed with Outlook Express. *Just open your Outlook Express screen, click on "Tools" at the top of the screen, and follow Diana's instructions. Feel free to ask further if you still get stuck. Chuck B. It isn't a question of being stuck. I have years of experience using Outlook Express. I just hate it because of the extent it wastes resources such as hard disk space, and it's interface leaves much to be desired. A web interface is preferable (if well designed) since the data remains on the host, always viewable, and consumes minimal resources on the client machines. Web technologies are just more flexible that nntp allows. Ted |
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Chris, the community doesn't need to be destroyed. We can still get together
using Kye's server. I have been too busy to post pictures lately, but I check orchids.pictures every day wof. Diana "Ted Byers" wrote in message ... On Feb 5, 10:11 pm, wrote: The ISPs either dropped their USENET servers or dropped binaries from their servers. The free access to USENET tends to be without binaries. Some folks have moved pictures off to sites such as flickr, but the sense of community is fairly destroyed. That does not need to be so. Witness the sense of community Facebook has successfully created: actually self organizing multiple communities. A well constructed website can be at least as effective as a usenet newsgroup in creating a sense of community, and provide benefits that would be impossible with usenet. Years ago, Kye and I discussed doing something like this, but it did not progress far as neither of us had the resources to make it work. It appears Kye has been able to at least support a usenet server. In a matter of weeks, I will be hosting my employer's website from my home office. This means that if I had a machine with enough capability, I could host such a website. The idea Kye and I discussed included supporting subscribers being able to store photos, formal botanical descriptions, culture conditions (daily records of temperature and humidity, when the plants is watered, fertilized and how much, plant size through time, production of infloresences/blooms, &c.), as far as the subscriber wishes. I'd add statistical support so a user could examine culture and results for those specimens most similar to their own, checks on specimen identity, &c. With such data, one could easily submit a query to learn what culture practices work best given a particular cultivar and ambient humidity and temperature. I'd even have a section for vendors to publish information on what they have available, so if you're looking for a particular cultivar, it becomes easy to learn who has it, if anyone does have it; and another section supporting subscribers arranging trades of plants, back bulbs, &c. (whatever they wish). Adding in web fora for discussions, and one could make the usenet newsgroups obsolete. At present, I just don't have the money to get the hardware required (though I do have all the requisite software development tools and skills, and then some), and with my current workload, developing all of it will take quite some time. The only way I see any of this happening, though is if someone who can get excited does get enthusiastic enough to enlist sufficient resources to proceed. I can't get excited about much these days because the health challenges I've had recently have been overwhelming. I am pretty tired and discouraged. -- Chris Dukes davej eskimos have hundreds of words for snow. I have two. Bullshit. I have two too: snow, and pretty (at least when it is fresh, before the plows and sanders corrupt it). ;-) Cheers, Ted |
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:23:09 -0800 (PST) in Ted Byers wrote:
[SNEEP] I'm afraid I'm from the generation that just doesn't get face book. I do occasionally post to blogs and such things, but I usually catch myself having to delete vi commands :-). I actually have hardware at a colo facility with enough bandwidth to run something like that, I just haven't come across anything moving the chattering over to web apps that actually induces me to come back. However, I am slowly trudging my way through putting together a few things in django. If you have a rough mockup of what you'd like to see, and some notes on what you'd like as far as flow, I can see about grinding out some rough models and views. I have two too: snow, and pretty (at least when it is fresh, before the plows and sanders corrupt it). ;-) This fellow lives and works up on ice planet Hoth, sorry Westford, MA, and made this observation after watching the 4th or 5th auto acident at the intersection outside his apartment. -- Chris Dukes davej eskimos have hundreds of words for snow. I have two. Bullshit. |
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:29:59 -0800 (PST) in Ted Byers wrote:
It isn't a question of being stuck. I have years of experience using Outlook Express. I just hate it because of the extent it wastes resources such as hard disk space, and it's interface leaves much to be desired. A web interface is preferable (if well designed) since the data remains on the host, always viewable, and consumes minimal resources on the client machines. Web technologies are just more flexible that nntp allows. Outlook is a festering pile of feces, and always has been. OTOH, an NNTP client need not be more than netcat and a pad of paper to track last read articles... And while most NNTP servers are configured to discard articles after a period of time or quantity of storage space, they don't have to be configured that way. A single web host has the disadvantage that it can be shut down and lost with one warrant or lawsuit. Granted, things have gotten better, we're back to normally having web pages where I can click on a specific blog entry and get a URL I can send to someone else and 1) it'll work 2) It's human readable and less than 80 characters long.... But it's a UI nightmare to shuffle between live journal, various software blogs, launchpad.... And maintaining state about what's read and unread and what was marked as unread so it could be reread, is pretty much non-existant. Plus I'm horribly biased from 11 years of dealing with incompetent websphere developers mixed with cargo cult PHP developers and my normal inspiration being to go build a raised bed instead of writing something that sucks less :-). -- Chris Dukes davej eskimos have hundreds of words for snow. I have two. Bullshit. |
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If you really do not like Outlook that much get on google and find a news
reader that is more to your liking. There are a couple of them out there which are free to download. I do not think any website is going to be the same as USENET. With websites come moderators, administrator, owners, IDs and passwords, rules, and hosting bills. If these things do not bother you, there are lots of web based orchid forums out there. None of them are like the wild, wild west USENET used to be. I was recently asked where all the RGOers went. I replied that I really did not know and that you did not see that many of them on the various website forums except Ray and Ray is ubiquitous. |
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On Feb 6, 11:04*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:23:09 -0800 (PST) in Ted Byers *wrote: [SNEEP] I'm afraid I'm from the generation that just doesn't get face book. I do occasionally post to blogs and such things, but I usually catch myself having to delete vi commands :-). ;-) Been there, done that. But I develop software for a living, so I can appreciate their design and understand how their communities form and function. I'm old enough (or feel old enough) to remember when the Rocky Mountains were just stoney hills, and my sister is just a couple years behind me. While I don't use Facebook much, she does and maintains a 'community' with friends she's known for eons and with family scattered across the province using it. And some of these friends are even older than I am. ;-) I actually have hardware at a colo facility with enough bandwidth to run something like that, I just haven't come across anything moving the chattering over to web apps that actually induces me to come back. However, I am slowly trudging my way through putting together a few things in django. *If you have a rough mockup of what you'd like to see, and some notes on what you'd like as far as flow, I can see about grinding out some rough models and views. All I have so far is a prototype of one small part of the database back end. I delivered that to Kye over a year ago, but I have a copy on my system here. Maybe he has something firmer, or at least some ideas. If I devote the next few weekends to it, I might be able to work up a first draft of some design documents. It would be good, too, though to get input from others on what functional requirements others would look for. When I design software, I begin with the desired and available data, and build up from there, and then restart from the perspective of what intended end users would want to do. I have two too: snow, and pretty (at least when it is fresh, before the plows and sanders corrupt it). *;-) This fellow lives and works up on ice planet Hoth, sorry Westford, MA, and made this observation after watching the 4th or 5th auto acident at the intersection outside his apartment. I hope these accidents involved only minor body customization by crunch and no personal injury. Even as common as such accidents are, I hate hearing about them and wish there were more instruction available about driving in bad weather. OK, so his perspective would be similar to those of folk currently living through a week of snow that just about shut down the country, but an amount of snow that anyone living in the snow belt around Toronto (as I have) would regard as just a light dusting. ;-) I guess I shouldn't tease the Brits too much as they only see that amount of snow every couple decades. Cheers Ted |
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On Feb 6, 11:30*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:29:59 -0800 (PST) in Ted Byers *wrote: Granted, things have gotten better, we're back to normally having web pages where I can click on a specific blog entry and get a URL I can send to someone else and 1) it'll work 2) It's human readable and less than 80 characters long.... But it's a UI nightmare to shuffle between live journal, various software blogs, launchpad.... *And maintaining state about what's read and unread and what was marked as unread so it could be reread, is pretty much non-existant. Tell me about it. I have to handle such nightmares when designing web based user interfaces that the end user would find both useful and friendly. BTW: maintaining such state is not hard to handle IF one creates an effective subscription interface (using a design pattern similar to what is required for the combination of security and user friendliness that requires single logon for multiple applications with unique permissions requirements for different categories of users); but creating it requires a software engineer who knows what he's doing and finding one of these is itself a nightmare. Plus I'm horribly biased from 11 years of dealing with incompetent websphere developers mixed with cargo cult PHP developers and my normal inspiration being to go build a raised bed instead of writing something that sucks less :-). Don't forget the cult Ruby developers and cult Javascript developers and, the worst of the lot, VB developers. ;-) I no longer get upset with the hordes of incompetent developers out there. Instad I seek to endure what I can't change, change what I can, and especially seek the wisdom to know the difference. What passes for a curriculum for software engineers these days at a lot of colleagues is a disgrace. It is annoying that such folks damage the market for custom software by their routine failure to deliver good quality software, but there isn't much one can do about it. And I see poor quality software everywhere I go. I'll stop here as this gets rather depressing ... Cheers Ted |
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On Feb 7, 9:28*am, "Pat Brennan" wrote:
If you really do not like Outlook that much get on google and find a news reader that is more to your liking. *There are a couple of them out there which are free to download. I do not think any website is going to be the same as USENET. *With websites come moderators, administrator, owners, IDs and passwords, rules, and hosting bills. *If these things do not bother you, there are lots of web based orchid forums out there. *None of them are like the wild, wild west USENET used to be. *I was recently asked where all the RGOers went. *I replied that I really did not know and that you did not see that many of them on the various website forums except Ray and Ray is ubiquitous. This is an encouragement to develop a better website which includes forums. While USENET was useful in its time, there are major problems with it (SPAM, flamewars, poor signal to noise ratio). I prefer a little more order than is possible in the wild wild west. For plain text fora, I find google groups to be as effective, and more user friendly, than a conventional news reader' although it does nothing to address the major problems that may be an inevitable part of unmoderated usenet newsgroups. I have seen once useful newsgroups become completely worthless because of problems like SPAM (some of which was so disgraceful no responsible parent would let their kids see similar material). It is not just an orchid based forum I would like to see (I have probably already bookmarked most of them), but one where the regulars here can continue to provide their expertise, others can ask their questions, pictures can be posted/viewed, and one which includes a database back end that contains first hand experience and records from those growing orchids (and other plants) that can be queried/analyzed, and including data that can be used to identify/classify specimens that have yet to be identified, and a whole lot more. For example, being able to maintain a record of culture practices and results would allow us to learn what works best in a given environment. I know a guy who can heal any plants almost killed by neighbors (putatively in the same general environment: same temperature, lighting and humidity in the outside environment), and he makes them thrive. He attributes this to his practice of keeping humidity in his greanhouse at almost 100% where his neighbors attempt to compensate for low humidity by watering more frequently. I don't know if his explanation is right, but having environmental conditions and cultural practices stored in a database along with the performance of the plants, for subsequent analysis, would allow one to find out and more importantly learn what is both practicable and effective in almost any situation (window sill, greenhouse, &c.). Have you seen any resource anywhere on the web that supports anything like this? Cheers Ted |
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:55:22 -0800 (PST) in Ted Byers wrote:
Ah, OK. More evidence that politicians are useless idiots who are highly unlikely to ever do anything useful. Well, Cuomo did do something useful. He provided the legal excuse for ISPs to dump a service they perceived to be high cost and utilized by only a fraction of their customers. Unfortunately the utility of the action depends on who you are... -- Chris Dukes davej eskimos have hundreds of words for snow. I have two. Bullshit. |
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