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Orthenex
Hi, all,
I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) .. |
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On Apr 5, 12:55*pm, (Chris Savas) wrote:
Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. *I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. *I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. * I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove * not *from the address to respond directly.) . There is a Bayer product with imiploprid as well as a systemic K Barrett |
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Chris,
FWIW, I used to use Orthenex. It worked, but not nearly as well as Orthene. With the former, I'd find that the time of control before return of critters was a couple of months. So I was treating fairly often. With Orthene I spray probably twice a year (a double spray each time) and all is well. For isolated stuff I can always use a canned spray or alcohol. You might need to order the Orthene if you don't have a supply vendor nearby, but IMO it's worth it. Now, if someone could tell me what to do about my gardenias, which are thrip magnets, then I'd be home free altogether. I've used the same treatments on them and have also tried the Bayer product. The bugs just keep coming. If it weren't for a sentimental attachment they'd be ripped out by now. And they may yet get trashed. Diana "K Barrett" wrote in message ... On Apr 5, 12:55 pm, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) . There is a Bayer product with imiploprid as well as a systemic K Barrett |
Orthenex
Hi Chris,
I would suggest Merit Systemic Insecticide, wettable powder. It is a bit pricey, about $50 for a 2 ounce bottle, but you only need to use it once or twice a year. I used it twice one year and have not been bothered with scale since. That was 3 years ago. In fact the produce states not to use it more that 2 to 3 times a year. It takes about 3 months for the product to be distributed throughout the plant, so if you don't see results right away just be patient. Geoff Austin, TX |
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Is that the Orthene for shrubs & trees? What do I look for? Is it a
systemic in powder form? Cheers Wendy "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Chris, FWIW, I used to use Orthenex. It worked, but not nearly as well as Orthene. With the former, I'd find that the time of control before return of critters was a couple of months. So I was treating fairly often. With Orthene I spray probably twice a year (a double spray each time) and all is well. For isolated stuff I can always use a canned spray or alcohol. You might need to order the Orthene if you don't have a supply vendor nearby, but IMO it's worth it. Now, if someone could tell me what to do about my gardenias, which are thrip magnets, then I'd be home free altogether. I've used the same treatments on them and have also tried the Bayer product. The bugs just keep coming. If it weren't for a sentimental attachment they'd be ripped out by now. And they may yet get trashed. Diana "K Barrett" wrote in message ... On Apr 5, 12:55 pm, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) . There is a Bayer product with imiploprid as well as a systemic K Barrett |
Orthenex
Hi, Wendy,
Yes, turf, tree and ornamentals. It is systemic, but seems to have some residual topical effects too. It's water soluble. I did a little checking. Apparently, last year the Orthene product line was sold by Valent to American Vanguard. Both are based in CA. Here's a link to the label info: http://www.american-vanguard.com/med...n_06-24-08.pdf I swear by it. You can find plenty of outlets for it with a quick Google search. Many of the supply vendors in this area carry it. Diana "Wendy7" wrote in message ... Is that the Orthene for shrubs & trees? What do I look for? Is it a systemic in powder form? Cheers Wendy "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Chris, FWIW, I used to use Orthenex. It worked, but not nearly as well as Orthene. With the former, I'd find that the time of control before return of critters was a couple of months. So I was treating fairly often. With Orthene I spray probably twice a year (a double spray each time) and all is well. For isolated stuff I can always use a canned spray or alcohol. You might need to order the Orthene if you don't have a supply vendor nearby, but IMO it's worth it. Now, if someone could tell me what to do about my gardenias, which are thrip magnets, then I'd be home free altogether. I've used the same treatments on them and have also tried the Bayer product. The bugs just keep coming. If it weren't for a sentimental attachment they'd be ripped out by now. And they may yet get trashed. Diana "K Barrett" wrote in message ... On Apr 5, 12:55 pm, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) . There is a Bayer product with imiploprid as well as a systemic K Barrett |
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Chris Savas wrote:
In article om, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) .. Hi, again, Today, I went to two hardware stores in search of Orthenex. At the first place, I found a similar product mfg'd by the Ortho Group. I then went to the second store and found the same 'new' item, but at $2 less than at the first place for a 16-oz bottle (liquid). The recommended dosage is the same for both the Orthenex and this 'new' item. For comparison, I have included the ingredients of the Orthenex and of the 'new' product. Orthenex Ortho Systemic Protection from Systemic Insect Killer Controls Insects, Diseases, Mites Insects & Mites Active Ingredients Active Ingredients Acephate 4.00% Acephate 8.00% Triforine 3.25 - - Fenbutatin-oxide 0.75 Fenbutatin-oxide 0.5 (Hexakis) (Hexakis) Other Ingredients 92.00 Other Ingredients 91.50 Unless anyone can say why I shouldn't use this product, I think I will try it. I don't know what Triforine was suppose to do or why it no longer is included. Chris Triforine is an antifungal. The 'other ingredients' would be mostly petroleum distillates which means don't spray unless the plants are going to be completely dry before the sun hits them or they'll burn like under a magnifying glass. |
Orthenex
Right on, Tennis.
Orthenex is a combo deal - insecticide, miticide, fungicide - while orthene is just the insecticide (the active one in Orthenex - acephate). While Orthenex may have the "advantage" of being a broad-spectrum pesticide, I usually recommend the Orthene instead, as it's 1) far more bang for the buck from a bug-killing perspective (70% acephate & higher are commonly available, as opposed to the 4% in the original Orthenex), and 2) water soluble, so there is no need for the potentially-damaging hydrocarbons used to keep the other ingredients of Orthenex in liquid form. I also highly recommend the use of Enstar II, and insect growth regulator. While stuff like Merit and Orthene kill on contact or with a temporary residual systemic action, the IGR prevents all stages of the insect from maturing, thereby preventing reproduction, which can really help collapse a population. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! "tenman" wrote in message ... Chris Savas wrote: In article om, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) .. Hi, again, Today, I went to two hardware stores in search of Orthenex. At the first place, I found a similar product mfg'd by the Ortho Group. I then went to the second store and found the same 'new' item, but at $2 less than at the first place for a 16-oz bottle (liquid). The recommended dosage is the same for both the Orthenex and this 'new' item. For comparison, I have included the ingredients of the Orthenex and of the 'new' product. Orthenex Ortho Systemic Protection from Systemic Insect Killer Controls Insects, Diseases, Mites Insects & Mites Active Ingredients Active Ingredients Acephate 4.00% Acephate 8.00% Triforine 3.25 - - Fenbutatin-oxide 0.75 Fenbutatin-oxide 0.5 (Hexakis) (Hexakis) Other Ingredients 92.00 Other Ingredients 91.50 Unless anyone can say why I shouldn't use this product, I think I will try it. I don't know what Triforine was suppose to do or why it no longer is included. Chris Triforine is an antifungal. The 'other ingredients' would be mostly petroleum distillates which means don't spray unless the plants are going to be completely dry before the sun hits them or they'll burn like under a magnifying glass. |
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Like Chris, I learned too. Thanks for the continued props for Enstar, Ray.
Though I don't have constant problems with our orchids, I think I might be able to use that product to knock out the nasties that infest my gardenias once and for all. And then the source would be gone altogether. Can I mix it with Orthene? Or should it be used alone? I'm going to order it. Diana "Ray B" wrote in message ... Right on, Tennis. Orthenex is a combo deal - insecticide, miticide, fungicide - while orthene is just the insecticide (the active one in Orthenex - acephate). While Orthenex may have the "advantage" of being a broad-spectrum pesticide, I usually recommend the Orthene instead, as it's 1) far more bang for the buck from a bug-killing perspective (70% acephate & higher are commonly available, as opposed to the 4% in the original Orthenex), and 2) water soluble, so there is no need for the potentially-damaging hydrocarbons used to keep the other ingredients of Orthenex in liquid form. I also highly recommend the use of Enstar II, and insect growth regulator. While stuff like Merit and Orthene kill on contact or with a temporary residual systemic action, the IGR prevents all stages of the insect from maturing, thereby preventing reproduction, which can really help collapse a population. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! "tenman" wrote in message ... Chris Savas wrote: In article om, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) .. Hi, again, Today, I went to two hardware stores in search of Orthenex. At the first place, I found a similar product mfg'd by the Ortho Group. I then went to the second store and found the same 'new' item, but at $2 less than at the first place for a 16-oz bottle (liquid). The recommended dosage is the same for both the Orthenex and this 'new' item. For comparison, I have included the ingredients of the Orthenex and of the 'new' product. Orthenex Ortho Systemic Protection from Systemic Insect Killer Controls Insects, Diseases, Mites Insects & Mites Active Ingredients Active Ingredients Acephate 4.00% Acephate 8.00% Triforine 3.25 - - Fenbutatin-oxide 0.75 Fenbutatin-oxide 0.5 (Hexakis) (Hexakis) Other Ingredients 92.00 Other Ingredients 91.50 Unless anyone can say why I shouldn't use this product, I think I will try it. I don't know what Triforine was suppose to do or why it no longer is included. Chris Triforine is an antifungal. The 'other ingredients' would be mostly petroleum distillates which means don't spray unless the plants are going to be completely dry before the sun hits them or they'll burn like under a magnifying glass. |
Orthenex
One more thing: what is the best source for Enstar?
Diana "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Like Chris, I learned too. Thanks for the continued props for Enstar, Ray. Though I don't have constant problems with our orchids, I think I might be able to use that product to knock out the nasties that infest my gardenias once and for all. And then the source would be gone altogether. Can I mix it with Orthene? Or should it be used alone? I'm going to order it. Diana "Ray B" wrote in message ... Right on, Tennis. Orthenex is a combo deal - insecticide, miticide, fungicide - while orthene is just the insecticide (the active one in Orthenex - acephate). While Orthenex may have the "advantage" of being a broad-spectrum pesticide, I usually recommend the Orthene instead, as it's 1) far more bang for the buck from a bug-killing perspective (70% acephate & higher are commonly available, as opposed to the 4% in the original Orthenex), and 2) water soluble, so there is no need for the potentially-damaging hydrocarbons used to keep the other ingredients of Orthenex in liquid form. I also highly recommend the use of Enstar II, and insect growth regulator. While stuff like Merit and Orthene kill on contact or with a temporary residual systemic action, the IGR prevents all stages of the insect from maturing, thereby preventing reproduction, which can really help collapse a population. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! "tenman" wrote in message ... Chris Savas wrote: In article om, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) .. Hi, again, Today, I went to two hardware stores in search of Orthenex. At the first place, I found a similar product mfg'd by the Ortho Group. I then went to the second store and found the same 'new' item, but at $2 less than at the first place for a 16-oz bottle (liquid). The recommended dosage is the same for both the Orthenex and this 'new' item. For comparison, I have included the ingredients of the Orthenex and of the 'new' product. Orthenex Ortho Systemic Protection from Systemic Insect Killer Controls Insects, Diseases, Mites Insects & Mites Active Ingredients Active Ingredients Acephate 4.00% Acephate 8.00% Triforine 3.25 - - Fenbutatin-oxide 0.75 Fenbutatin-oxide 0.5 (Hexakis) (Hexakis) Other Ingredients 92.00 Other Ingredients 91.50 Unless anyone can say why I shouldn't use this product, I think I will try it. I don't know what Triforine was suppose to do or why it no longer is included. Chris Triforine is an antifungal. The 'other ingredients' would be mostly petroleum distillates which means don't spray unless the plants are going to be completely dry before the sun hits them or they'll burn like under a magnifying glass. |
Orthenex
I definitely mix them. In fact, I have been known to mix Enstar, Merit, and
Orthene when dealing with a bad infestation. I seem to recall that Enstar (that "S" really ought to be a dollar sign) was least expensive at some rose-related online store, but it's not cheap anywhere. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Like Chris, I learned too. Thanks for the continued props for Enstar, Ray. Though I don't have constant problems with our orchids, I think I might be able to use that product to knock out the nasties that infest my gardenias once and for all. And then the source would be gone altogether. Can I mix it with Orthene? Or should it be used alone? I'm going to order it. Diana "Ray B" wrote in message ... Right on, Tennis. Orthenex is a combo deal - insecticide, miticide, fungicide - while orthene is just the insecticide (the active one in Orthenex - acephate). While Orthenex may have the "advantage" of being a broad-spectrum pesticide, I usually recommend the Orthene instead, as it's 1) far more bang for the buck from a bug-killing perspective (70% acephate & higher are commonly available, as opposed to the 4% in the original Orthenex), and 2) water soluble, so there is no need for the potentially-damaging hydrocarbons used to keep the other ingredients of Orthenex in liquid form. I also highly recommend the use of Enstar II, and insect growth regulator. While stuff like Merit and Orthene kill on contact or with a temporary residual systemic action, the IGR prevents all stages of the insect from maturing, thereby preventing reproduction, which can really help collapse a population. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! "tenman" wrote in message ... Chris Savas wrote: In article om, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) .. Hi, again, Today, I went to two hardware stores in search of Orthenex. At the first place, I found a similar product mfg'd by the Ortho Group. I then went to the second store and found the same 'new' item, but at $2 less than at the first place for a 16-oz bottle (liquid). The recommended dosage is the same for both the Orthenex and this 'new' item. For comparison, I have included the ingredients of the Orthenex and of the 'new' product. Orthenex Ortho Systemic Protection from Systemic Insect Killer Controls Insects, Diseases, Mites Insects & Mites Active Ingredients Active Ingredients Acephate 4.00% Acephate 8.00% Triforine 3.25 - - Fenbutatin-oxide 0.75 Fenbutatin-oxide 0.5 (Hexakis) (Hexakis) Other Ingredients 92.00 Other Ingredients 91.50 Unless anyone can say why I shouldn't use this product, I think I will try it. I don't know what Triforine was suppose to do or why it no longer is included. Chris Triforine is an antifungal. The 'other ingredients' would be mostly petroleum distillates which means don't spray unless the plants are going to be completely dry before the sun hits them or they'll burn like under a magnifying glass. |
Orthenex
I recall pricing it once some years ago. It was very $$$$. But the label
information that I read while Googling this time tells me that you only use a miniscule amount. Maybe I'll split a bottle with someone, when I find it. Diana "Ray B" wrote in message ... I definitely mix them. In fact, I have been known to mix Enstar, Merit, and Orthene when dealing with a bad infestation. I seem to recall that Enstar (that "S" really ought to be a dollar sign) was least expensive at some rose-related online store, but it's not cheap anywhere. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Like Chris, I learned too. Thanks for the continued props for Enstar, Ray. Though I don't have constant problems with our orchids, I think I might be able to use that product to knock out the nasties that infest my gardenias once and for all. And then the source would be gone altogether. Can I mix it with Orthene? Or should it be used alone? I'm going to order it. Diana "Ray B" wrote in message ... Right on, Tennis. Orthenex is a combo deal - insecticide, miticide, fungicide - while orthene is just the insecticide (the active one in Orthenex - acephate). While Orthenex may have the "advantage" of being a broad-spectrum pesticide, I usually recommend the Orthene instead, as it's 1) far more bang for the buck from a bug-killing perspective (70% acephate & higher are commonly available, as opposed to the 4% in the original Orthenex), and 2) water soluble, so there is no need for the potentially-damaging hydrocarbons used to keep the other ingredients of Orthenex in liquid form. I also highly recommend the use of Enstar II, and insect growth regulator. While stuff like Merit and Orthene kill on contact or with a temporary residual systemic action, the IGR prevents all stages of the insect from maturing, thereby preventing reproduction, which can really help collapse a population. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! "tenman" wrote in message ... Chris Savas wrote: In article om, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) .. Hi, again, Today, I went to two hardware stores in search of Orthenex. At the first place, I found a similar product mfg'd by the Ortho Group. I then went to the second store and found the same 'new' item, but at $2 less than at the first place for a 16-oz bottle (liquid). The recommended dosage is the same for both the Orthenex and this 'new' item. For comparison, I have included the ingredients of the Orthenex and of the 'new' product. Orthenex Ortho Systemic Protection from Systemic Insect Killer Controls Insects, Diseases, Mites Insects & Mites Active Ingredients Active Ingredients Acephate 4.00% Acephate 8.00% Triforine 3.25 - - Fenbutatin-oxide 0.75 Fenbutatin-oxide 0.5 (Hexakis) (Hexakis) Other Ingredients 92.00 Other Ingredients 91.50 Unless anyone can say why I shouldn't use this product, I think I will try it. I don't know what Triforine was suppose to do or why it no longer is included. Chris Triforine is an antifungal. The 'other ingredients' would be mostly petroleum distillates which means don't spray unless the plants are going to be completely dry before the sun hits them or they'll burn like under a magnifying glass. |
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