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Hi, all,
I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) .. |
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On Apr 5, 12:55*pm, (Chris Savas) wrote:
Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. *I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. *I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. * I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove * not *from the address to respond directly.) . There is a Bayer product with imiploprid as well as a systemic K Barrett |
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Chris,
FWIW, I used to use Orthenex. It worked, but not nearly as well as Orthene. With the former, I'd find that the time of control before return of critters was a couple of months. So I was treating fairly often. With Orthene I spray probably twice a year (a double spray each time) and all is well. For isolated stuff I can always use a canned spray or alcohol. You might need to order the Orthene if you don't have a supply vendor nearby, but IMO it's worth it. Now, if someone could tell me what to do about my gardenias, which are thrip magnets, then I'd be home free altogether. I've used the same treatments on them and have also tried the Bayer product. The bugs just keep coming. If it weren't for a sentimental attachment they'd be ripped out by now. And they may yet get trashed. Diana "K Barrett" wrote in message ... On Apr 5, 12:55 pm, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) . There is a Bayer product with imiploprid as well as a systemic K Barrett |
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Hi Chris,
I would suggest Merit Systemic Insecticide, wettable powder. It is a bit pricey, about $50 for a 2 ounce bottle, but you only need to use it once or twice a year. I used it twice one year and have not been bothered with scale since. That was 3 years ago. In fact the produce states not to use it more that 2 to 3 times a year. It takes about 3 months for the product to be distributed throughout the plant, so if you don't see results right away just be patient. Geoff Austin, TX |
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Is that the Orthene for shrubs & trees? What do I look for? Is it a
systemic in powder form? Cheers Wendy "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Chris, FWIW, I used to use Orthenex. It worked, but not nearly as well as Orthene. With the former, I'd find that the time of control before return of critters was a couple of months. So I was treating fairly often. With Orthene I spray probably twice a year (a double spray each time) and all is well. For isolated stuff I can always use a canned spray or alcohol. You might need to order the Orthene if you don't have a supply vendor nearby, but IMO it's worth it. Now, if someone could tell me what to do about my gardenias, which are thrip magnets, then I'd be home free altogether. I've used the same treatments on them and have also tried the Bayer product. The bugs just keep coming. If it weren't for a sentimental attachment they'd be ripped out by now. And they may yet get trashed. Diana "K Barrett" wrote in message ... On Apr 5, 12:55 pm, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) . There is a Bayer product with imiploprid as well as a systemic K Barrett |
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Hi, Wendy,
Yes, turf, tree and ornamentals. It is systemic, but seems to have some residual topical effects too. It's water soluble. I did a little checking. Apparently, last year the Orthene product line was sold by Valent to American Vanguard. Both are based in CA. Here's a link to the label info: http://www.american-vanguard.com/med...n_06-24-08.pdf I swear by it. You can find plenty of outlets for it with a quick Google search. Many of the supply vendors in this area carry it. Diana "Wendy7" wrote in message ... Is that the Orthene for shrubs & trees? What do I look for? Is it a systemic in powder form? Cheers Wendy "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Chris, FWIW, I used to use Orthenex. It worked, but not nearly as well as Orthene. With the former, I'd find that the time of control before return of critters was a couple of months. So I was treating fairly often. With Orthene I spray probably twice a year (a double spray each time) and all is well. For isolated stuff I can always use a canned spray or alcohol. You might need to order the Orthene if you don't have a supply vendor nearby, but IMO it's worth it. Now, if someone could tell me what to do about my gardenias, which are thrip magnets, then I'd be home free altogether. I've used the same treatments on them and have also tried the Bayer product. The bugs just keep coming. If it weren't for a sentimental attachment they'd be ripped out by now. And they may yet get trashed. Diana "K Barrett" wrote in message ... On Apr 5, 12:55 pm, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) . There is a Bayer product with imiploprid as well as a systemic K Barrett |
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Chris Savas wrote:
In article om, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) .. Hi, again, Today, I went to two hardware stores in search of Orthenex. At the first place, I found a similar product mfg'd by the Ortho Group. I then went to the second store and found the same 'new' item, but at $2 less than at the first place for a 16-oz bottle (liquid). The recommended dosage is the same for both the Orthenex and this 'new' item. For comparison, I have included the ingredients of the Orthenex and of the 'new' product. Orthenex Ortho Systemic Protection from Systemic Insect Killer Controls Insects, Diseases, Mites Insects & Mites Active Ingredients Active Ingredients Acephate 4.00% Acephate 8.00% Triforine 3.25 - - Fenbutatin-oxide 0.75 Fenbutatin-oxide 0.5 (Hexakis) (Hexakis) Other Ingredients 92.00 Other Ingredients 91.50 Unless anyone can say why I shouldn't use this product, I think I will try it. I don't know what Triforine was suppose to do or why it no longer is included. Chris Triforine is an antifungal. The 'other ingredients' would be mostly petroleum distillates which means don't spray unless the plants are going to be completely dry before the sun hits them or they'll burn like under a magnifying glass. |
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Right on, Tennis.
Orthenex is a combo deal - insecticide, miticide, fungicide - while orthene is just the insecticide (the active one in Orthenex - acephate). While Orthenex may have the "advantage" of being a broad-spectrum pesticide, I usually recommend the Orthene instead, as it's 1) far more bang for the buck from a bug-killing perspective (70% acephate & higher are commonly available, as opposed to the 4% in the original Orthenex), and 2) water soluble, so there is no need for the potentially-damaging hydrocarbons used to keep the other ingredients of Orthenex in liquid form. I also highly recommend the use of Enstar II, and insect growth regulator. While stuff like Merit and Orthene kill on contact or with a temporary residual systemic action, the IGR prevents all stages of the insect from maturing, thereby preventing reproduction, which can really help collapse a population. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! "tenman" wrote in message ... Chris Savas wrote: In article om, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) .. Hi, again, Today, I went to two hardware stores in search of Orthenex. At the first place, I found a similar product mfg'd by the Ortho Group. I then went to the second store and found the same 'new' item, but at $2 less than at the first place for a 16-oz bottle (liquid). The recommended dosage is the same for both the Orthenex and this 'new' item. For comparison, I have included the ingredients of the Orthenex and of the 'new' product. Orthenex Ortho Systemic Protection from Systemic Insect Killer Controls Insects, Diseases, Mites Insects & Mites Active Ingredients Active Ingredients Acephate 4.00% Acephate 8.00% Triforine 3.25 - - Fenbutatin-oxide 0.75 Fenbutatin-oxide 0.5 (Hexakis) (Hexakis) Other Ingredients 92.00 Other Ingredients 91.50 Unless anyone can say why I shouldn't use this product, I think I will try it. I don't know what Triforine was suppose to do or why it no longer is included. Chris Triforine is an antifungal. The 'other ingredients' would be mostly petroleum distillates which means don't spray unless the plants are going to be completely dry before the sun hits them or they'll burn like under a magnifying glass. |
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Like Chris, I learned too. Thanks for the continued props for Enstar, Ray.
Though I don't have constant problems with our orchids, I think I might be able to use that product to knock out the nasties that infest my gardenias once and for all. And then the source would be gone altogether. Can I mix it with Orthene? Or should it be used alone? I'm going to order it. Diana "Ray B" wrote in message ... Right on, Tennis. Orthenex is a combo deal - insecticide, miticide, fungicide - while orthene is just the insecticide (the active one in Orthenex - acephate). While Orthenex may have the "advantage" of being a broad-spectrum pesticide, I usually recommend the Orthene instead, as it's 1) far more bang for the buck from a bug-killing perspective (70% acephate & higher are commonly available, as opposed to the 4% in the original Orthenex), and 2) water soluble, so there is no need for the potentially-damaging hydrocarbons used to keep the other ingredients of Orthenex in liquid form. I also highly recommend the use of Enstar II, and insect growth regulator. While stuff like Merit and Orthene kill on contact or with a temporary residual systemic action, the IGR prevents all stages of the insect from maturing, thereby preventing reproduction, which can really help collapse a population. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! "tenman" wrote in message ... Chris Savas wrote: In article om, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) .. Hi, again, Today, I went to two hardware stores in search of Orthenex. At the first place, I found a similar product mfg'd by the Ortho Group. I then went to the second store and found the same 'new' item, but at $2 less than at the first place for a 16-oz bottle (liquid). The recommended dosage is the same for both the Orthenex and this 'new' item. For comparison, I have included the ingredients of the Orthenex and of the 'new' product. Orthenex Ortho Systemic Protection from Systemic Insect Killer Controls Insects, Diseases, Mites Insects & Mites Active Ingredients Active Ingredients Acephate 4.00% Acephate 8.00% Triforine 3.25 - - Fenbutatin-oxide 0.75 Fenbutatin-oxide 0.5 (Hexakis) (Hexakis) Other Ingredients 92.00 Other Ingredients 91.50 Unless anyone can say why I shouldn't use this product, I think I will try it. I don't know what Triforine was suppose to do or why it no longer is included. Chris Triforine is an antifungal. The 'other ingredients' would be mostly petroleum distillates which means don't spray unless the plants are going to be completely dry before the sun hits them or they'll burn like under a magnifying glass. |
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One more thing: what is the best source for Enstar?
Diana "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Like Chris, I learned too. Thanks for the continued props for Enstar, Ray. Though I don't have constant problems with our orchids, I think I might be able to use that product to knock out the nasties that infest my gardenias once and for all. And then the source would be gone altogether. Can I mix it with Orthene? Or should it be used alone? I'm going to order it. Diana "Ray B" wrote in message ... Right on, Tennis. Orthenex is a combo deal - insecticide, miticide, fungicide - while orthene is just the insecticide (the active one in Orthenex - acephate). While Orthenex may have the "advantage" of being a broad-spectrum pesticide, I usually recommend the Orthene instead, as it's 1) far more bang for the buck from a bug-killing perspective (70% acephate & higher are commonly available, as opposed to the 4% in the original Orthenex), and 2) water soluble, so there is no need for the potentially-damaging hydrocarbons used to keep the other ingredients of Orthenex in liquid form. I also highly recommend the use of Enstar II, and insect growth regulator. While stuff like Merit and Orthene kill on contact or with a temporary residual systemic action, the IGR prevents all stages of the insect from maturing, thereby preventing reproduction, which can really help collapse a population. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! "tenman" wrote in message ... Chris Savas wrote: In article om, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) .. Hi, again, Today, I went to two hardware stores in search of Orthenex. At the first place, I found a similar product mfg'd by the Ortho Group. I then went to the second store and found the same 'new' item, but at $2 less than at the first place for a 16-oz bottle (liquid). The recommended dosage is the same for both the Orthenex and this 'new' item. For comparison, I have included the ingredients of the Orthenex and of the 'new' product. Orthenex Ortho Systemic Protection from Systemic Insect Killer Controls Insects, Diseases, Mites Insects & Mites Active Ingredients Active Ingredients Acephate 4.00% Acephate 8.00% Triforine 3.25 - - Fenbutatin-oxide 0.75 Fenbutatin-oxide 0.5 (Hexakis) (Hexakis) Other Ingredients 92.00 Other Ingredients 91.50 Unless anyone can say why I shouldn't use this product, I think I will try it. I don't know what Triforine was suppose to do or why it no longer is included. Chris Triforine is an antifungal. The 'other ingredients' would be mostly petroleum distillates which means don't spray unless the plants are going to be completely dry before the sun hits them or they'll burn like under a magnifying glass. |
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I definitely mix them. In fact, I have been known to mix Enstar, Merit, and
Orthene when dealing with a bad infestation. I seem to recall that Enstar (that "S" really ought to be a dollar sign) was least expensive at some rose-related online store, but it's not cheap anywhere. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Like Chris, I learned too. Thanks for the continued props for Enstar, Ray. Though I don't have constant problems with our orchids, I think I might be able to use that product to knock out the nasties that infest my gardenias once and for all. And then the source would be gone altogether. Can I mix it with Orthene? Or should it be used alone? I'm going to order it. Diana "Ray B" wrote in message ... Right on, Tennis. Orthenex is a combo deal - insecticide, miticide, fungicide - while orthene is just the insecticide (the active one in Orthenex - acephate). While Orthenex may have the "advantage" of being a broad-spectrum pesticide, I usually recommend the Orthene instead, as it's 1) far more bang for the buck from a bug-killing perspective (70% acephate & higher are commonly available, as opposed to the 4% in the original Orthenex), and 2) water soluble, so there is no need for the potentially-damaging hydrocarbons used to keep the other ingredients of Orthenex in liquid form. I also highly recommend the use of Enstar II, and insect growth regulator. While stuff like Merit and Orthene kill on contact or with a temporary residual systemic action, the IGR prevents all stages of the insect from maturing, thereby preventing reproduction, which can really help collapse a population. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! "tenman" wrote in message ... Chris Savas wrote: In article om, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) .. Hi, again, Today, I went to two hardware stores in search of Orthenex. At the first place, I found a similar product mfg'd by the Ortho Group. I then went to the second store and found the same 'new' item, but at $2 less than at the first place for a 16-oz bottle (liquid). The recommended dosage is the same for both the Orthenex and this 'new' item. For comparison, I have included the ingredients of the Orthenex and of the 'new' product. Orthenex Ortho Systemic Protection from Systemic Insect Killer Controls Insects, Diseases, Mites Insects & Mites Active Ingredients Active Ingredients Acephate 4.00% Acephate 8.00% Triforine 3.25 - - Fenbutatin-oxide 0.75 Fenbutatin-oxide 0.5 (Hexakis) (Hexakis) Other Ingredients 92.00 Other Ingredients 91.50 Unless anyone can say why I shouldn't use this product, I think I will try it. I don't know what Triforine was suppose to do or why it no longer is included. Chris Triforine is an antifungal. The 'other ingredients' would be mostly petroleum distillates which means don't spray unless the plants are going to be completely dry before the sun hits them or they'll burn like under a magnifying glass. |
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I recall pricing it once some years ago. It was very $$$$. But the label
information that I read while Googling this time tells me that you only use a miniscule amount. Maybe I'll split a bottle with someone, when I find it. Diana "Ray B" wrote in message ... I definitely mix them. In fact, I have been known to mix Enstar, Merit, and Orthene when dealing with a bad infestation. I seem to recall that Enstar (that "S" really ought to be a dollar sign) was least expensive at some rose-related online store, but it's not cheap anywhere. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Like Chris, I learned too. Thanks for the continued props for Enstar, Ray. Though I don't have constant problems with our orchids, I think I might be able to use that product to knock out the nasties that infest my gardenias once and for all. And then the source would be gone altogether. Can I mix it with Orthene? Or should it be used alone? I'm going to order it. Diana "Ray B" wrote in message ... Right on, Tennis. Orthenex is a combo deal - insecticide, miticide, fungicide - while orthene is just the insecticide (the active one in Orthenex - acephate). While Orthenex may have the "advantage" of being a broad-spectrum pesticide, I usually recommend the Orthene instead, as it's 1) far more bang for the buck from a bug-killing perspective (70% acephate & higher are commonly available, as opposed to the 4% in the original Orthenex), and 2) water soluble, so there is no need for the potentially-damaging hydrocarbons used to keep the other ingredients of Orthenex in liquid form. I also highly recommend the use of Enstar II, and insect growth regulator. While stuff like Merit and Orthene kill on contact or with a temporary residual systemic action, the IGR prevents all stages of the insect from maturing, thereby preventing reproduction, which can really help collapse a population. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! "tenman" wrote in message ... Chris Savas wrote: In article om, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) .. Hi, again, Today, I went to two hardware stores in search of Orthenex. At the first place, I found a similar product mfg'd by the Ortho Group. I then went to the second store and found the same 'new' item, but at $2 less than at the first place for a 16-oz bottle (liquid). The recommended dosage is the same for both the Orthenex and this 'new' item. For comparison, I have included the ingredients of the Orthenex and of the 'new' product. Orthenex Ortho Systemic Protection from Systemic Insect Killer Controls Insects, Diseases, Mites Insects & Mites Active Ingredients Active Ingredients Acephate 4.00% Acephate 8.00% Triforine 3.25 - - Fenbutatin-oxide 0.75 Fenbutatin-oxide 0.5 (Hexakis) (Hexakis) Other Ingredients 92.00 Other Ingredients 91.50 Unless anyone can say why I shouldn't use this product, I think I will try it. I don't know what Triforine was suppose to do or why it no longer is included. Chris Triforine is an antifungal. The 'other ingredients' would be mostly petroleum distillates which means don't spray unless the plants are going to be completely dry before the sun hits them or they'll burn like under a magnifying glass. |
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Thanks Diana will give it a try
"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Hi, Wendy, Yes, turf, tree and ornamentals. It is systemic, but seems to have some residual topical effects too. It's water soluble. I did a little checking. Apparently, last year the Orthene product line was sold by Valent to American Vanguard. Both are based in CA. Here's a link to the label info: http://www.american-vanguard.com/med...n_06-24-08.pdf I swear by it. You can find plenty of outlets for it with a quick Google search. Many of the supply vendors in this area carry it. Diana "Wendy7" wrote in message ... Is that the Orthene for shrubs & trees? What do I look for? Is it a systemic in powder form? Cheers Wendy "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Chris, FWIW, I used to use Orthenex. It worked, but not nearly as well as Orthene. With the former, I'd find that the time of control before return of critters was a couple of months. So I was treating fairly often. With Orthene I spray probably twice a year (a double spray each time) and all is well. For isolated stuff I can always use a canned spray or alcohol. You might need to order the Orthene if you don't have a supply vendor nearby, but IMO it's worth it. Now, if someone could tell me what to do about my gardenias, which are thrip magnets, then I'd be home free altogether. I've used the same treatments on them and have also tried the Bayer product. The bugs just keep coming. If it weren't for a sentimental attachment they'd be ripped out by now. And they may yet get trashed. Diana "K Barrett" wrote in message ... On Apr 5, 12:55 pm, (Chris Savas) wrote: Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) . There is a Bayer product with imiploprid as well as a systemic K Barrett |
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Acephate 4.00% Acephate 8.00% --- insect (Orthene) Triforine - - --- disease (fungus) Fenbutatin-oxide 0.75 Fenbutatin-oxide --- mites (Hexakis) (Hexakis) Other Ingredients 92.00 Other Ingredients --- filler Be careful with acephate while spikes are forming. In the plant, the systemic tends to concentrate where the plant is actively growing and can cause flower color breaks. I will use acephate this time of year, but I do not use it on the phals between Sept and March. I would not become too wed to acephate, there is a general move away from the organophosphates. I do not think that any of the acephate products are labeled for greenhouse use any more. The current buzz is for Safari (dinotefuran), another neonicotinoid like the neonicotinoid imidacloprid found in Merit, Marathon, and Bayer tree and shrub. People are reporting much better success with Safari than with the imidacloprid based products. But at $350 per 3 pound jug I have no first hand knowledge. Pat |
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"Pat Brennan" wrote in message . com... Acephate --- insect (Orthene) Triforine --- disease (fungus) Fenbutatin-oxide --- mites Other Ingredie --- filler That should be easier to read. |
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Thanks for this info Pat, Yes I had flowers with streaks which was caused by
a systemic pesticide named Cygon. It is no longer available in CA. My gosh that Safari is expensive even if you split it 3 ways!!!! Now I often wonder about fumigation & if anybody fumigates their greenhouses? Cheers Wendy "Pat Brennan" wrote in message . com... Acephate 4.00% Acephate 8.00% --- insect (Orthene) Triforine - - --- disease (fungus) Fenbutatin-oxide 0.75 Fenbutatin-oxide --- mites (Hexakis) (Hexakis) Other Ingredients 92.00 Other Ingredients --- filler Be careful with acephate while spikes are forming. In the plant, the systemic tends to concentrate where the plant is actively growing and can cause flower color breaks. I will use acephate this time of year, but I do not use it on the phals between Sept and March. I would not become too wed to acephate, there is a general move away from the organophosphates. I do not think that any of the acephate products are labeled for greenhouse use any more. The current buzz is for Safari (dinotefuran), another neonicotinoid like the neonicotinoid imidacloprid found in Merit, Marathon, and Bayer tree and shrub. People are reporting much better success with Safari than with the imidacloprid based products. But at $350 per 3 pound jug I have no first hand knowledge. Pat |
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Wendy, there just are not that many fumigants left on the market. From what
is available to me here in Va there are two options. The first is a series of products from the Whitmire Corp which are total release aerosols. Pop a can and run and while you are eating dinner the whole greenhouse gets treated. The flavors available a year or two ago where dursban (restricted), decathion, acephate, pyrethrum, an IGR, and Taistar. The label allows air mixing, i.e. pop two different cans and run. Although there could not be an easier way to treat a greenhouse, I found that I always got a better kill if I just strapped on the backpack and sprayed the same chemical. Maybe my greenhouse are just too crowded causing incorrect dose or coverage. Don't know and I only use the Whitmire products when I find a problem and know it will be a while before I get a chance to spray. The other option is smoke. Light the can and run. I think all of the smoke products are restricted use and the last time I looked only came in two flavors; DDVP (organophosphate) and nicotine. I have found these products to be very effective against whitefly, aphids, and thrips. But I have not had much luck with these products against scale, mealybugs, and fungus gnats. I do not think smoke is an option in Ca. Pat |
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Well I guess both options of fumigation are out as I can't run!!! *G*
(Arthritis) Oh & that CA thing! My plants have scale & mealy bugs & I have used everything from the 409/oil recipes WP & the $$$$ Enstar & Mavrik to no avail. The most effective item lately has been a product that has 1% Pyritherins (Safer brand) So I need to look for it in a concentrated form as it is around $5 for the normal spray bottle. Anyway thanks for the info, Cheers Wendy "Pat Brennan" wrote in message g.com... Wendy, there just are not that many fumigants left on the market. From what is available to me here in Va there are two options. The first is a series of products from the Whitmire Corp which are total release aerosols. Pop a can and run and while you are eating dinner the whole greenhouse gets treated. The flavors available a year or two ago where dursban (restricted), decathion, acephate, pyrethrum, an IGR, and Taistar. The label allows air mixing, i.e. pop two different cans and run. Although there could not be an easier way to treat a greenhouse, I found that I always got a better kill if I just strapped on the backpack and sprayed the same chemical. Maybe my greenhouse are just too crowded causing incorrect dose or coverage. Don't know and I only use the Whitmire products when I find a problem and know it will be a while before I get a chance to spray. The other option is smoke. Light the can and run. I think all of the smoke products are restricted use and the last time I looked only came in two flavors; DDVP (organophosphate) and nicotine. I have found these products to be very effective against whitefly, aphids, and thrips. But I have not had much luck with these products against scale, mealybugs, and fungus gnats. I do not think smoke is an option in Ca. Pat |
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Wendy7 wrote:
Well I guess both options of fumigation are out as I can't run!!! *G* (Arthritis) Oh & that CA thing! My plants have scale & mealy bugs & I have used everything from the 409/oil recipes WP & the $$$$ Enstar & Mavrik to no avail. The most effective item lately has been a product that has 1% Pyritherins (Safer brand) So I need to look for it in a concentrated form as it is around $5 for the normal spray bottle. Anyway thanks for the info, Cheers Wendy Wendy- I had an ongoing problem with scale on the bromeliads. I fought it with everything for two years. Last spring at repotting time, I filled a 50-gallon plastic 'sweater storage' tub I usually use for fertilizer with a strong malathion solution and took each upotted plant and with the use of my 'grabbies' (long tube with pincers on end usually used for picking up trash on the lawn or retrieving hard-to-reach plants by the pot), completely submerged (roots and all) and swirled them around in that, one by one. No scale a year later. None. Zip. Nada. I know one is usually hesitant to share solutions between orchids, but if you just have a few or even a couple dozen plants which seem to be the problem, this could be done in, say, a one- or two- gallon jug of some sort, emptying and washing it out between plants and still only use the same fifty gallons. I know it would be laborious, but it works! Tennis |
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Wendy, where did you buy the Enstar?
Diana "Wendy7" wrote in message ... Well I guess both options of fumigation are out as I can't run!!! *G* (Arthritis) Oh & that CA thing! My plants have scale & mealy bugs & I have used everything from the 409/oil recipes WP & the $$$$ Enstar & Mavrik to no avail. The most effective item lately has been a product that has 1% Pyritherins (Safer brand) So I need to look for it in a concentrated form as it is around $5 for the normal spray bottle. Anyway thanks for the info, Cheers Wendy "Pat Brennan" wrote in message g.com... Wendy, there just are not that many fumigants left on the market. From what is available to me here in Va there are two options. The first is a series of products from the Whitmire Corp which are total release aerosols. Pop a can and run and while you are eating dinner the whole greenhouse gets treated. The flavors available a year or two ago where dursban (restricted), decathion, acephate, pyrethrum, an IGR, and Taistar. The label allows air mixing, i.e. pop two different cans and run. Although there could not be an easier way to treat a greenhouse, I found that I always got a better kill if I just strapped on the backpack and sprayed the same chemical. Maybe my greenhouse are just too crowded causing incorrect dose or coverage. Don't know and I only use the Whitmire products when I find a problem and know it will be a while before I get a chance to spray. The other option is smoke. Light the can and run. I think all of the smoke products are restricted use and the last time I looked only came in two flavors; DDVP (organophosphate) and nicotine. I have found these products to be very effective against whitefly, aphids, and thrips. But I have not had much luck with these products against scale, mealybugs, and fungus gnats. I do not think smoke is an option in Ca. Pat |
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Diana Kulaga wrote:
Wendy, where did you buy the Enstar? Diana It's not easy to buy Enstar at a local shop. I can only find them from online stores. http://rosecare1.stores.yahoo.net/enstarii.html http://www.orchidmix.com/cat3.htm http://www.growerssolution.com/page/...Insect/70-1525 http://www.growersupply.com/enstarii.html |
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or try
www.hummert.com "KTTT" wrote in message .. . Diana Kulaga wrote: Wendy, where did you buy the Enstar? Diana It's not easy to buy Enstar at a local shop. I can only find them from online stores. http://rosecare1.stores.yahoo.net/enstarii.html http://www.orchidmix.com/cat3.htm http://www.growerssolution.com/page/...Insect/70-1525 http://www.growersupply.com/enstarii.html |
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Thanks, guys. I know I can't get it locally, and Google turned up so many
that it was easier to ask here. Diana "Pat Brennan" wrote in message .com... or try www.hummert.com "KTTT" wrote in message .. . Diana Kulaga wrote: Wendy, where did you buy the Enstar? Diana It's not easy to buy Enstar at a local shop. I can only find them from online stores. http://rosecare1.stores.yahoo.net/enstarii.html http://www.orchidmix.com/cat3.htm http://www.growerssolution.com/page/...Insect/70-1525 http://www.growersupply.com/enstarii.html |
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If you are unable to get rid of the bus, it suggests one or more of the
following is not happening: ? The chemicals must be used at their label mixing ratios ? The entire surface of every plant - and possibly the medium too - must be covered ? The process needs to be repeated at weekly intervals - one repetition is usually recommended on labels, but I find 3 treatments to be better. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! "Wendy7" wrote in message ... Well I guess both options of fumigation are out as I can't run!!! *G* (Arthritis) Oh & that CA thing! My plants have scale & mealy bugs & I have used everything from the 409/oil recipes WP & the $$$$ Enstar & Mavrik to no avail. The most effective item lately has been a product that has 1% Pyritherins (Safer brand) So I need to look for it in a concentrated form as it is around $5 for the normal spray bottle. Anyway thanks for the info, Cheers Wendy "Pat Brennan" wrote in message g.com... Wendy, there just are not that many fumigants left on the market. From what is available to me here in Va there are two options. The first is a series of products from the Whitmire Corp which are total release aerosols. Pop a can and run and while you are eating dinner the whole greenhouse gets treated. The flavors available a year or two ago where dursban (restricted), decathion, acephate, pyrethrum, an IGR, and Taistar. The label allows air mixing, i.e. pop two different cans and run. Although there could not be an easier way to treat a greenhouse, I found that I always got a better kill if I just strapped on the backpack and sprayed the same chemical. Maybe my greenhouse are just too crowded causing incorrect dose or coverage. Don't know and I only use the Whitmire products when I find a problem and know it will be a while before I get a chance to spray. The other option is smoke. Light the can and run. I think all of the smoke products are restricted use and the last time I looked only came in two flavors; DDVP (organophosphate) and nicotine. I have found these products to be very effective against whitefly, aphids, and thrips. But I have not had much luck with these products against scale, mealybugs, and fungus gnats. I do not think smoke is an option in Ca. Pat |
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"Wendy7" wrote in message
... Well I guess both options of fumigation are out as I can't run!!! *G* (Arthritis) Oh & that CA thing! My plants have scale & mealy bugs & I have used everything from the 409/oil recipes WP & the $$$$ Enstar & Mavrik to no avail. The most effective item lately has been a product that has 1% Pyritherins (Safer brand) So I need to look for it in a concentrated form as it is around $5 for the normal spray bottle. Anyway thanks for the info, Cheers Wendy "Pat Brennan" wrote in message g.com... Wendy, there just are not that many fumigants left on the market. From what is available to me here in Va there are two options. The first is a series of products from the Whitmire Corp which are total release aerosols. Pop a can and run and while you are eating dinner the whole greenhouse gets treated. The flavors available a year or two ago where dursban (restricted), decathion, acephate, pyrethrum, an IGR, and Taistar. The label allows air mixing, i.e. pop two different cans and run. Although there could not be an easier way to treat a greenhouse, I found that I always got a better kill if I just strapped on the backpack and sprayed the same chemical. Maybe my greenhouse are just too crowded causing incorrect dose or coverage. Don't know and I only use the Whitmire products when I find a problem and know it will be a while before I get a chance to spray. The other option is smoke. Light the can and run. I think all of the smoke products are restricted use and the last time I looked only came in two flavors; DDVP (organophosphate) and nicotine. I have found these products to be very effective against whitefly, aphids, and thrips. But I have not had much luck with these products against scale, mealybugs, and fungus gnats. I do not think smoke is an option in Ca. Pat There used to be those insect bombs that contained pyrethrins, but you don't grow in an enclosed space (patio etc) so these wouldn't necessarily help you. K |
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Thanks for the tips Tennis, will give it a try. Cheers Wendy
"tenman" wrote in message ... Wendy7 wrote: Well I guess both options of fumigation are out as I can't run!!! *G* (Arthritis) Oh & that CA thing! My plants have scale & mealy bugs & I have used everything from the 409/oil recipes WP & the $$$$ Enstar & Mavrik to no avail. The most effective item lately has been a product that has 1% Pyritherins (Safer brand) So I need to look for it in a concentrated form as it is around $5 for the normal spray bottle. Anyway thanks for the info, Cheers Wendy Wendy- I had an ongoing problem with scale on the bromeliads. I fought it with everything for two years. Last spring at repotting time, I filled a 50-gallon plastic 'sweater storage' tub I usually use for fertilizer with a strong malathion solution and took each upotted plant and with the use of my 'grabbies' (long tube with pincers on end usually used for picking up trash on the lawn or retrieving hard-to-reach plants by the pot), completely submerged (roots and all) and swirled them around in that, one by one. No scale a year later. None. Zip. Nada. I know one is usually hesitant to share solutions between orchids, but if you just have a few or even a couple dozen plants which seem to be the problem, this could be done in, say, a one- or two- gallon jug of some sort, emptying and washing it out between plants and still only use the same fifty gallons. I know it would be laborious, but it works! Tennis |
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I purchased mine from a local store here in O. Cnty
Orange County Farm Supply. Cheers Wendy "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Wendy, where did you buy the Enstar? Diana "Wendy7" wrote in message ... Well I guess both options of fumigation are out as I can't run!!! *G* (Arthritis) Oh & that CA thing! My plants have scale & mealy bugs & I have used everything from the 409/oil recipes WP & the $$$$ Enstar & Mavrik to no avail. The most effective item lately has been a product that has 1% Pyritherins (Safer brand) So I need to look for it in a concentrated form as it is around $5 for the normal spray bottle. Anyway thanks for the info, Cheers Wendy "Pat Brennan" wrote in message g.com... Wendy, there just are not that many fumigants left on the market. From what is available to me here in Va there are two options. The first is a series of products from the Whitmire Corp which are total release aerosols. Pop a can and run and while you are eating dinner the whole greenhouse gets treated. The flavors available a year or two ago where dursban (restricted), decathion, acephate, pyrethrum, an IGR, and Taistar. The label allows air mixing, i.e. pop two different cans and run. Although there could not be an easier way to treat a greenhouse, I found that I always got a better kill if I just strapped on the backpack and sprayed the same chemical. Maybe my greenhouse are just too crowded causing incorrect dose or coverage. Don't know and I only use the Whitmire products when I find a problem and know it will be a while before I get a chance to spray. The other option is smoke. Light the can and run. I think all of the smoke products are restricted use and the last time I looked only came in two flavors; DDVP (organophosphate) and nicotine. I have found these products to be very effective against whitefly, aphids, and thrips. But I have not had much luck with these products against scale, mealybugs, and fungus gnats. I do not think smoke is an option in Ca. Pat |
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A bit off topic, but I was growing my orchids next to a gardenia plant
(which seem to be bug magnets) and have what I've been thinking is mealy bugs. Though cottony scale sounds like it could also be a candidate. I looked on google and scale seems to move slowly and my "pets" move quickly when disturbed. How do you tell the difference? "Chris Savas" wrote in message ng.com... Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) . |
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Gardenias are thrip magnets, for sure. Other things seem to like them as
well. I'm really debating cutting mine down. It would be tough, because outside of orchids, gardenias are my favorite flowers. Thrips move fast. To the naked eye, they look thin and black. They can take out a Vanda spike faster than you can blink an eye. Diana "eeyore" wrote in message ... A bit off topic, but I was growing my orchids next to a gardenia plant (which seem to be bug magnets) and have what I've been thinking is mealy bugs. Though cottony scale sounds like it could also be a candidate. I looked on google and scale seems to move slowly and my "pets" move quickly when disturbed. How do you tell the difference? "Chris Savas" wrote in message ng.com... Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) . |
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Thanks for the info. Almost sacrilegious, but I might pick gardenia's over
orchids if I could get them to grow bug free (and keep cat away) in my 20'th floor "garden". So far I've resorted to hand squashing (bugs not cats), but afraid things might get out of hand. On a side note, is anyone posting to the "other" orchid site (sorry I don't remember the gentleman's name who graciously set it up)? I see new binaries but never text posts. "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Gardenias are thrip magnets, for sure. Other things seem to like them as well. I'm really debating cutting mine down. It would be tough, because outside of orchids, gardenias are my favorite flowers. Thrips move fast. To the naked eye, they look thin and black. They can take out a Vanda spike faster than you can blink an eye. Diana "eeyore" wrote in message ... A bit off topic, but I was growing my orchids next to a gardenia plant (which seem to be bug magnets) and have what I've been thinking is mealy bugs. Though cottony scale sounds like it could also be a candidate. I looked on google and scale seems to move slowly and my "pets" move quickly when disturbed. How do you tell the difference? "Chris Savas" wrote in message ng.com... Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) . |
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The other site has been slow, but it is in use. Since most (AFAIK) still can
access this group, there hasn't been a pressing need to use that one. But the binaries group is a blessing. Diana "eeyore" wrote in message ... Thanks for the info. Almost sacrilegious, but I might pick gardenia's over orchids if I could get them to grow bug free (and keep cat away) in my 20'th floor "garden". So far I've resorted to hand squashing (bugs not cats), but afraid things might get out of hand. On a side note, is anyone posting to the "other" orchid site (sorry I don't remember the gentleman's name who graciously set it up)? I see new binaries but never text posts. "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Gardenias are thrip magnets, for sure. Other things seem to like them as well. I'm really debating cutting mine down. It would be tough, because outside of orchids, gardenias are my favorite flowers. Thrips move fast. To the naked eye, they look thin and black. They can take out a Vanda spike faster than you can blink an eye. Diana "eeyore" wrote in message ... A bit off topic, but I was growing my orchids next to a gardenia plant (which seem to be bug magnets) and have what I've been thinking is mealy bugs. Though cottony scale sounds like it could also be a candidate. I looked on google and scale seems to move slowly and my "pets" move quickly when disturbed. How do you tell the difference? "Chris Savas" wrote in message ng.com... Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) . |
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Thanks again. I did wander over there and did see one new text post in over
four months. Hope I'm not permanently banned for placing gardenias over orchids, just love the smell. "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . The other site has been slow, but it is in use. Since most (AFAIK) still can access this group, there hasn't been a pressing need to use that one. But the binaries group is a blessing. Diana "eeyore" wrote in message ... Thanks for the info. Almost sacrilegious, but I might pick gardenia's over orchids if I could get them to grow bug free (and keep cat away) in my 20'th floor "garden". So far I've resorted to hand squashing (bugs not cats), but afraid things might get out of hand. On a side note, is anyone posting to the "other" orchid site (sorry I don't remember the gentleman's name who graciously set it up)? I see new binaries but never text posts. "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Gardenias are thrip magnets, for sure. Other things seem to like them as well. I'm really debating cutting mine down. It would be tough, because outside of orchids, gardenias are my favorite flowers. Thrips move fast. To the naked eye, they look thin and black. They can take out a Vanda spike faster than you can blink an eye. Diana "eeyore" wrote in message ... A bit off topic, but I was growing my orchids next to a gardenia plant (which seem to be bug magnets) and have what I've been thinking is mealy bugs. Though cottony scale sounds like it could also be a candidate. I looked on google and scale seems to move slowly and my "pets" move quickly when disturbed. How do you tell the difference? "Chris Savas" wrote in message ng.com... Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) . |
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I love 'em too. My mother had them when she married dad, and I always made
sure I took her some when I went home to visit. Diana "eeyore" wrote in message ... Thanks again. I did wander over there and did see one new text post in over four months. Hope I'm not permanently banned for placing gardenias over orchids, just love the smell. "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . The other site has been slow, but it is in use. Since most (AFAIK) still can access this group, there hasn't been a pressing need to use that one. But the binaries group is a blessing. Diana "eeyore" wrote in message ... Thanks for the info. Almost sacrilegious, but I might pick gardenia's over orchids if I could get them to grow bug free (and keep cat away) in my 20'th floor "garden". So far I've resorted to hand squashing (bugs not cats), but afraid things might get out of hand. On a side note, is anyone posting to the "other" orchid site (sorry I don't remember the gentleman's name who graciously set it up)? I see new binaries but never text posts. "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Gardenias are thrip magnets, for sure. Other things seem to like them as well. I'm really debating cutting mine down. It would be tough, because outside of orchids, gardenias are my favorite flowers. Thrips move fast. To the naked eye, they look thin and black. They can take out a Vanda spike faster than you can blink an eye. Diana "eeyore" wrote in message ... A bit off topic, but I was growing my orchids next to a gardenia plant (which seem to be bug magnets) and have what I've been thinking is mealy bugs. Though cottony scale sounds like it could also be a candidate. I looked on google and scale seems to move slowly and my "pets" move quickly when disturbed. How do you tell the difference? "Chris Savas" wrote in message ng.com... Hi, all, I have been using Orthenex in my general insect controll spraying. I have been buying and using the 16 Fl oz size, but have run out. I have looked in five different stores and can't find it. So, what should I look for to use on my orchids (just over 100 plants)? I have spotted a couple of plants that have some cottony scale. I have used it because it is systemic. Thanks. Chris in Central Florida (Remove not from the address to respond directly.) . |
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On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 05:40:59 -0400 in Ray B wrote:
I definitely mix them. In fact, I have been known to mix Enstar, Merit, and Orthene when dealing with a bad infestation. I seem to recall that Enstar (that "S" really ought to be a dollar sign) was least expensive at some rose-related online store, but it's not cheap anywhere. rosecare.com? I've been looking at them for herbicides to reign in a bermuda grass infestation around the garden. -- Chris Dukes davej eskimos have hundreds of words for snow. I have two. Bullshit. |
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Scott bought out ortho and has been droping many of the ortho products in
favor of their non working products. the only othe one other than expensive profesional products is Spectracide Immunox® Plus Insect & Disease Control another sugestion is to go to home grown hardware stores thay may still have some left on their shelves. |
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