On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:03:42 -0400 in tenman wrote:
I tried both teranews and motzarella last summer when my ISP was messed
up; neither worked and neither seems to have any tech assistance - or at
least any that would respond to queries and requests for help.

I gave up. Eventually my ISP got itself figured out, and I have
newsgroup access again.

eternal-september.support and motzarella.support both exist on
news.eternal-september.org
The fellow behind eternal-september.org regularly reads those newsgroups
and is quite patient at helping folks that actually manage to setup a
new newserver/user profile in their newsreader and make it to the server.
He also puts some fairly explicit instructions for most newsreaders on his
website (I know, I had to use them for slrn).

The only thing he doesn't do is give a quick tutorial on checking to see
if it's working by hand. And here's one.
Works from the shell prompt of any OS with a telnet client.
On Windows that would be a cmd.exe window or a command.com window.


telnet newsserver 119
If you see something like

Connected to news.eternal-september.org.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 news.eternal-september.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.5.0 ready (posting ok)

or

Connected to news.teranews.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 (newsfe15.iad) -- Welcome (Tornado v1.2.7.560-1)

You've got one hurdle down.

Now teranew is a slight pain in the butt that they require auth for
reaching their support newsgroup.

I type "group teranews.support" and hit enter
and get
480 Authentication Required

There's a nice check box in the thunderbird newsserver configuration that
says something like "ALWAYS USE AUTHENTICATION."
Check it. Glub only knows why it isn't automatically checked if you
give it a username and password.
Glub also only knows why when username and password change it doesn't
immediately assume that it needs to re-retrieve the entire grouplist again.
However, Ray was kind enough to explain that in his thunderbird
instructions.


--
Chris Dukes

Diana, can you please email me directly? Got a society question for
you.

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, & Lots of Free Info!


-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Kulaga ]
Posted At: Friday, July 10, 2009 6:21 PM
Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids
Conversation: Looking for a new server....
Subject: Looking for a new server....

Here's a link to the Port St. Lucie group page:

http://www.facebook.com/reqs.php#/gr...d=109020051583

Bear in mind that it is new, so it doesn't have a lot of content yet.

Diana

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
. ..
Actually, Facebook can be better than that; we could have our own
group.
One of our society members set up a restricted Facebook group for us.
You
can't join it unless an admin okays you. He made me an admin, and I
get
reminders when a member wants to sign up for the group. From what I
know
so far, you can assign anyone to be an admin.

Then you have your own board, where anyone who is in the group can
start
or participate in threads, post pictures, etc. And no spam. You don't
have
to do all the junk that is available on Facebook (*what kind of animal
are
you?*; *so and so wants to add your birthday to his calendar*, etc.).
We
could use it purely as a message/binaries posting center. It's not the

wild west that Usenet is, but we can allow others to join.

I'm new to it, and I'm not familiar with how to set up a restricted
group.
But hey, how hard can it be?

Diana

"K Barrett" wrote in message
...
We all sign up on facebook and join the growing orchid community
there.

The mystery group I read has a growing group of mystery fans there
too. I
have no idea how well this works, but am tempted. I worry about the
timesuck factor.

K Barrett

Ray B wrote:
What facebook option?

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, & Lots of Free Info!


-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Kulaga ]
Posted At: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:28 PM
Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids
Conversation: Looking for a new server....
Subject: Looking for a new server....

Thanks, guys. Chris, I know about Flickr. It does seem a bit limited
as
far
as discussion is concerned. There is always the Facebook option,
too.

Diana

wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:27:44 -0400 in Diana Kulaga wrote:
Thanks, guys. Chris, I know about Flickr. It does seem a bit limited as far
as discussion is concerned. There is always the Facebook option, too.

How exactly am i unclear here?

Post the picture on flikr.

Post URL to picture or group of pictures and description of it here.

Discussion happens here.

Just because you post the picture on flikr doesn't mean it gets
discussed on flikr.
In fact, I'd generally not recommend discussing flikr photos on flikr.
They're a great image dump site, they suck for communications.



FWIW ditto.

K Barrett

wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:27:44 -0400 in Diana Kulaga wrote:
Thanks, guys. Chris, I know about Flickr. It does seem a bit limited as far
as discussion is concerned. There is always the Facebook option, too.


And for me, facebook is *NOT* an option.
I don't have the time to sufficiently falsify a persona for every
activity I might possibly want to do on facebook.
I don't want my real information anywhere near facebook as the owner
of any application on facebook gets full access to your information.
For added joy... deleting something from facebook doesn't actually delete
it. It generally just marks it to not automatically stick it into
a link or image tag on your page. If someone has the absolute URL to it
it's like it was never deleted.

My wife and kids use it, and my conclusion is "It embraces every reason
I never set foot on my highschool since I graduated."


FWIW ditto, especially the high school comment.

K Barrett

wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:03:42 -0400 in tenman wrote:
I tried both teranews and motzarella last summer when my ISP was messed
up; neither worked and neither seems to have any tech assistance - or at
least any that would respond to queries and requests for help.

I gave up. Eventually my ISP got itself figured out, and I have
newsgroup access again.

eternal-september.support and motzarella.support both exist on
news.eternal-september.org
The fellow behind eternal-september.org regularly reads those newsgroups
and is quite patient at helping folks that actually manage to setup a
new newserver/user profile in their newsreader and make it to the server.
He also puts some fairly explicit instructions for most newsreaders on his
website (I know, I had to use them for slrn).

The only thing he doesn't do is give a quick tutorial on checking to see
if it's working by hand. And here's one.
Works from the shell prompt of any OS with a telnet client.
On Windows that would be a cmd.exe window or a command.com window.


telnet newsserver 119
If you see something like

Connected to news.eternal-september.org.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 news.eternal-september.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.5.0 ready (posting ok)

or

Connected to news.teranews.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 (newsfe15.iad) -- Welcome (Tornado v1.2.7.560-1)

You've got one hurdle down.

Now teranew is a slight pain in the butt that they require auth for
reaching their support newsgroup.

I type "group teranews.support" and hit enter
and get
480 Authentication Required

There's a nice check box in the thunderbird newsserver configuration that
says something like "ALWAYS USE AUTHENTICATION."
Check it. Glub only knows why it isn't automatically checked if you
give it a username and password.
Glub also only knows why when username and password change it doesn't
immediately assume that it needs to re-retrieve the entire grouplist again.
However, Ray was kind enough to explain that in his thunderbird
instructions.



FWIW ditto. Now that I know apbo is carried on eternal-september I'm
happy as a clam.

K Barrett

SuE mentioned the costs to Kye once before, so I took that to heart and
looked for other access points to usenet.

How has SuE been? I figured once the grandkids happened she got carried
away with them, *G*!

K Barrett

John Erickson wrote:
Diana, it's time for me to come out from the shadows. I have followed
the usenet orchid groups for many years. I just chose not to
participate for a variety of reasons. My wife, SuE, was an active
participant for many years but lately has been silent. While I still
have usenet access thru my isp, I also subscribe to Giganews (very
reliable and has GREAT retention). I pay about $10 / month.

Kye is very generous. Do you really think that his cost is zero. I'm
not sure it's fair for him to subsidize all of us, but that's his decision.

The larger problem, as I see it, is that using Kye's group (not part of
usenet) or a restricted Facebook group will severely restrict any
participation by new orchid growers. They will not know where to go for
information. If the intent is to keep this a private club, with minimal
new participation, then this is the way to go. But, if we want to grow
the hobby, we must make the discussions visible to all that are interested.

I don't know what is the long term future of usenet, but it's still
here. Many folks may need to pay for access but that is their decision.
Free options are around with limitations.

John Erickson

Diana Kulaga wrote:
Actually, Facebook can be better than that; we could have our own
group. One of our society members set up a restricted Facebook group
for us. You can't join it unless an admin okays you. He made me an
admin, and I get reminders when a member wants to sign up for the
group. From what I know so far, you can assign anyone to be an admin.

Then you have your own board, where anyone who is in the group can
start or participate in threads, post pictures, etc. And no spam. You
don't have to do all the junk that is available on Facebook (*what
kind of animal are you?*; *so and so wants to add your birthday to his
calendar*, etc.). We could use it purely as a message/binaries posting
center. It's not the wild west that Usenet is, but we can allow others
to join.

I'm new to it, and I'm not familiar with how to set up a restricted
group. But hey, how hard can it be?

Diana

"K Barrett" wrote in message
...
We all sign up on facebook and join the growing orchid community there.

The mystery group I read has a growing group of mystery fans there
too. I have no idea how well this works, but am tempted. I worry
about the timesuck factor.

K Barrett

Ray B wrote:
What facebook option?

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, & Lots of Free Info!


-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Kulaga ]
Posted At: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:28 PM
Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids
Conversation: Looking for a new server....
Subject: Looking for a new server....

Thanks, guys. Chris, I know about Flickr. It does seem a bit limited
as far
as discussion is concerned. There is always the Facebook option, too.

Diana

And. . . .. .. . .. only the shadow knows! *G*
Dear John, Glad to hear from you & how is Sue doing? Please tell her that
we miss her.
Cheers Wendy(Who knocks on wood every day because my binaries News Groups
still work!)

"John Erickson" wrote in message
...
Diana, it's time for me to come out from the shadows. I have followed the
usenet orchid groups for many years. I just chose not to participate for
a variety of reasons. My wife, SuE, was an active participant for many
years but lately has been silent. While I still have usenet access thru
my isp, I also subscribe to Giganews (very reliable and has GREAT
retention). I pay about $10 / month.

Kye is very generous. Do you really think that his cost is zero. I'm not
sure it's fair for him to subsidize all of us, but that's his decision.

The larger problem, as I see it, is that using Kye's group (not part of
usenet) or a restricted Facebook group will severely restrict any
participation by new orchid growers. They will not know where to go for
information. If the intent is to keep this a private club, with minimal
new participation, then this is the way to go. But, if we want to grow
the hobby, we must make the discussions visible to all that are
interested.

I don't know what is the long term future of usenet, but it's still here.
Many folks may need to pay for access but that is their decision. Free
options are around with limitations.

John Erickson

Diana Kulaga wrote:
Actually, Facebook can be better than that; we could have our own group.
One of our society members set up a restricted Facebook group for us. You
can't join it unless an admin okays you. He made me an admin, and I get
reminders when a member wants to sign up for the group. From what I know
so far, you can assign anyone to be an admin.

Then you have your own board, where anyone who is in the group can start
or participate in threads, post pictures, etc. And no spam. You don't
have to do all the junk that is available on Facebook (*what kind of
animal are you?*; *so and so wants to add your birthday to his calendar*,
etc.). We could use it purely as a message/binaries posting center. It's
not the wild west that Usenet is, but we can allow others to join.

I'm new to it, and I'm not familiar with how to set up a restricted
group. But hey, how hard can it be?

Diana

"K Barrett" wrote in message
...
We all sign up on facebook and join the growing orchid community there.

The mystery group I read has a growing group of mystery fans there too.
I have no idea how well this works, but am tempted. I worry about the
timesuck factor.

K Barrett

Ray B wrote:
What facebook option?

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, & Lots of Free Info!


-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Kulaga ]
Posted At: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:28 PM
Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids
Conversation: Looking for a new server....
Subject: Looking for a new server....

Thanks, guys. Chris, I know about Flickr. It does seem a bit limited as
far
as discussion is concerned. There is always the Facebook option, too.

Diana

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:50:03 -0700, "Wendy7" wrote:

And. . . .. .. . .. only the shadow knows! *G*
Dear John, Glad to hear from you & how is Sue doing? Please tell her that
we miss her.
Cheers Wendy(Who knocks on wood every day because my binaries News Groups
still work!)

For too long there was no orchid chatter - then taxes, and GC (only 1
Wendy) got in the way. If you all stay here and start the discussion
again - I will try to get back in the habit. I do miss the 'family'.
Anyone heard from Reka?
SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/orchids

Well hello lady,
Yes I know how a granchild can keep you going, mine is 24!
But those dreaded taxes!!!! *G*
It is so good to hear from you Sue & Dear John.
Funny I was thinking of you, Reka, Joann & some others, wondering
where & what you are doing?
Anyway good to hear from you,
Cheers
Wendy
"Sue Erickson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:50:03 -0700, "Wendy7" wrote:

And. . . .. .. . .. only the shadow knows! *G*
Dear John, Glad to hear from you & how is Sue doing? Please tell her that
we miss her.
Cheers Wendy(Who knocks on wood every day because my binaries News Groups
still work!)

For too long there was no orchid chatter - then taxes, and GC (only 1
Wendy) got in the way. If you all stay here and start the discussion
again - I will try to get back in the habit. I do miss the 'family'.
Anyone heard from Reka?
SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/orchids