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Jungle Feed1 teaspoon is 5ml , going by the calculator this is 4.54 x 0.95 =4.3 ml per gallon /4.54 l
This is way too much i think I have put 5ml in 10 l to achieve TDS of 320 ppm keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... This really is getting silly now ! ;) On my 1 teaspoon is 5ml , a online conversion from 1 teaspoon to ml is 3.55163ml I have always known 1teaspoon as 5 ml, This should be simple right , i only want to know how many whatever to put into a gallon to get 125 ppm N. aaaHHHHHH lol "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] Keith, A US gallon is 3.785 liters A US teaspoon is 4.93 milliliters An Imperial gallon is 4.546 liters An Imperial teaspoon is 5.92 milliliters 1 US teaspoon per US gallon is 4.93ml/3.785L = 1.302 ml/L 1 Imperial teaspoon per Imperial gallon is 5.92ml/4.546L = 1.302ml/L The ratio being identical means that 10 divided by the %N gives you the teaspoons per gallon to use for 125 ppm N, whether US or Imperial units. As you put one Imperial teaspoon in an Imperial gallon, you used 1/0.75=1.333, or onethird more than necessary, meaning that the solution you now have is about 125 x 1.333=167 ppm N, so all you have to do is dilute it to ¾ of its current concentration for use. You could take a quart of solution out and replace it with a quart of water, or if your mixing container is large enough, add a quart plus a cup of water to the gallon. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:32 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Ray is it as simple as converting 0.75 us teaspoon to uk teaspoon which is 1.0408427308 ( which is as good as 1 teaspoon yeh ?) then add this to a uk Gallon which is 4.5 UK litres What do you think ?,if i can get this right from the start then it will be easy from here .Phew ! Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I'll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use  just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerneorchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 3 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 101 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 101 Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! Original Message From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 101 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8 4.8  14.5 so how do they get 101 ? Regards Keith 
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Jungle Feed
Jungle FeedI have redone this @ 0.75 /gallon
result is 422ppm/660 m/sm RO 6ppm So i am thinking if this was diluted to 7 litres i should be somewhere where i want to be around TDS 250300 ppm and feeding @ every watering Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Sorry Ray , i am getting on my own nerves now !! Your calculator & MSU comes out at 0.73 teaspoons per gallon or 0.95 m/l per litre to achieve 125 ppm N. This seems high still as when i added 0.75 teaspoons per gallon the TDS was approx 650 ppm why ? as the calculator says it should be 258 ppm ,i no this doesn`t include the other elements ,but surely they don`t add up to 392 ppm This is using RO @ 6ppm Or is this TDS usually about right ? I will try again 0.73 in a gallon again and see what i get Thanks for the below i have printed it off & Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] Keith, A US gallon is 3.785 liters A US teaspoon is 4.93 milliliters An Imperial gallon is 4.546 liters An Imperial teaspoon is 5.92 milliliters 1 US teaspoon per US gallon is 4.93ml/3.785L = 1.302 ml/L 1 Imperial teaspoon per Imperial gallon is 5.92ml/4.546L = 1.302ml/L The ratio being identical means that 10 divided by the %N gives you the teaspoons per gallon to use for 125 ppm N, whether US or Imperial units. As you put one Imperial teaspoon in an Imperial gallon, you used 1/0.75=1.333, or onethird more than necessary, meaning that the solution you now have is about 125 x 1.333=167 ppm N, so all you have to do is dilute it to ¾ of its current concentration for use. You could take a quart of solution out and replace it with a quart of water, or if your mixing container is large enough, add a quart plus a cup of water to the gallon. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:32 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Ray is it as simple as converting 0.75 us teaspoon to uk teaspoon which is 1.0408427308 ( which is as good as 1 teaspoon yeh ?) then add this to a uk Gallon which is 4.5 UK litres What do you think ?,if i can get this right from the start then it will be easy from here .Phew ! Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I'll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use  just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerneorchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 3 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 101 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 101 Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! Original Message From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 101 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8 4.8  14.5 so how do they get 101 ? Regards Keith 
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Jungle Feed
First of all, TDS meters are rarely correct. I have two, and at a known
125 ppm N solution of the Greencare MSU RO formula, one tells me the TDS is 475, the other 600 ppm. How are we to trust either of them for absolute readings? Here’s a bit from my “EC & TDS” article: A TDS meter is really just an electrical conductivity (EC) meter that has a builtin conversion factor that displays the output in parts per million (ppm) of total dissolved solids (TDS). The trouble is that the relationship between the conductivity of a solution and its content varies not only by the concentration of the dissolved ions, but is also based upon the charge and mobility of the dissolved ionic species. As a very simplified explanation of that, imagine a small ion and a large ion having the same electrical charge. The small ion will find it easier to move in the solution, so "conducts" that charge faster, so gives a higher EC for the same concentration (TDS) in the solution. Likewise, if two ions have the same size, but one has a higher charge than the other, it too will show a higher EC. A commercial fertilizer can be made up of dozens of different chemicals, each of which ionizes and contributes to the EC of the solution, and different brands of fertilizer can use different chemicals to make up the total formula. With all of that variability, how can a single "constant" conversion factor be valid? That said, as you recognize, my online calculator only gives the ppm of the N, P, & K. If you use the Greencare published chemistry, and calculate the contribution of the cations only, for 125 ppm N, the calculated TDS is for N+P+K is 265 ppm, and adding the minor elements brings the total up to about 355 ppm. However, we know that some of the anionic components contribute to the TDS, but which do and which don’t? Also, some fertilizer minerals have chemicallybound water in them, so when dissolved that water comes free but does not contribute to the conductivity or dissolved solids content. Let’s look at it from the other end of the spectrum: according to the Greencare label, one must add 3.55g of powder to a US gallon of pure water to attain the 125 ppm N level. As a partpermillion is a milligram per kilogram, and a US gallon is 3.785 liters @ 1 kg/L, for 125 ppm N, we are actually adding 3550mg/3.785kg or 938 ppm of solids. So now we have a calculated cation contribution of 355 ppm at one end, and a gross contribution of 938 ppm at the other. The REAL answer is somewhere in between, but I’ll be damned if I have any idea what it is, and I will not trust ANY TDS meter to tell me a true level anyway. (With the exception of orchid growers, professional nurserymen rely on EC of the solution, as it is directly measurable.) Here’s the best advice you can get: 1) Trust the manufacturer. 2) Know your units. 3) Mix the recommended amount. 4) Don’t fret any longer. If you want to use your TDS meter, do as I, and only use it as a guide. Using 1, 2, & 3 above, I measure the TDS with one of my meters – let’s use the 600 one in this example – and from then on, if I check my solution and it’s between 550 and 650, I’m happy. The actual number is meaningless, but it does allow me to measure repeatability. Can we move on now, please? Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 5:02 AM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Sorry Ray , i am getting on my own nerves now !! Your calculator & MSU comes out at 0.73 teaspoons per gallon or 0.95 m/l per litre to achieve 125 ppm N. This seems high still as when i added 0.75 teaspoons per gallon the TDS was approx 650 ppm why ? as the calculator says it should be 258 ppm ,i no this doesn`t include the other elements ,but surely they don`t add up to 392 ppm This is using RO @ 6ppm Or is this TDS usually about right ? I will try again 0.73 in a gallon again and see what i get Thanks for the below i have printed it off & Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] Keith, A US gallon is 3.785 liters A US teaspoon is 4.93 milliliters An Imperial gallon is 4.546 liters An Imperial teaspoon is 5.92 milliliters 1 US teaspoon per US gallon is 4.93ml/3.785L = 1.302 ml/L 1 Imperial teaspoon per Imperial gallon is 5.92ml/4.546L = 1.302ml/L The ratio being identical means that 10 divided by the %N gives you the teaspoons per gallon to use for 125 ppm N, whether US or Imperial units. As you put one Imperial teaspoon in an Imperial gallon, you used 1/0.75=1.333, or onethird more than necessary, meaning that the solution you now have is about 125 x 1.333=167 ppm N, so all you have to do is dilute it to ¾ of its current concentration for use. You could take a quart of solution out and replace it with a quart of water, or if your mixing container is large enough, add a quart plus a cup of water to the gallon. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:32 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Ray is it as simple as converting 0.75 us teaspoon to uk teaspoon which is 1.0408427308 ( which is as good as 1 teaspoon yeh ?) then add this to a uk Gallon which is 4.5 UK litres What do you think ?,if i can get this right from the start then it will be easy from here .Phew ! Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I’ll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients “tag along” in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It’s easy to determine the amount to use – just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerneorchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 3 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 101 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 101 Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! Original Message From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 101 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8 4.8  14.5 so how do they get 101 ? Regards Keith 
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Jungle Feed
What’s the 660 m/sm?
Why do you want to dilute it further? The recommended continuous feeding rate for the MSU RO formula is 125 ppm N. If your 0.75 tsp/gal gives you that, why change? Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:10 AM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed I have redone this @ 0.75 /gallon result is 422ppm/660 m/sm RO 6ppm So i am thinking if this was diluted to 7 litres i should be somewhere where i want to be around TDS 250300 ppm and feeding @ every watering Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Sorry Ray , i am getting on my own nerves now !! Your calculator & MSU comes out at 0.73 teaspoons per gallon or 0.95 m/l per litre to achieve 125 ppm N. This seems high still as when i added 0.75 teaspoons per gallon the TDS was approx 650 ppm why ? as the calculator says it should be 258 ppm ,i no this doesn`t include the other elements ,but surely they don`t add up to 392 ppm This is using RO @ 6ppm Or is this TDS usually about right ? I will try again 0.73 in a gallon again and see what i get Thanks for the below i have printed it off & Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] Keith, A US gallon is 3.785 liters A US teaspoon is 4.93 milliliters An Imperial gallon is 4.546 liters An Imperial teaspoon is 5.92 milliliters 1 US teaspoon per US gallon is 4.93ml/3.785L = 1.302 ml/L 1 Imperial teaspoon per Imperial gallon is 5.92ml/4.546L = 1.302ml/L The ratio being identical means that 10 divided by the %N gives you the teaspoons per gallon to use for 125 ppm N, whether US or Imperial units. As you put one Imperial teaspoon in an Imperial gallon, you used 1/0.75=1.333, or onethird more than necessary, meaning that the solution you now have is about 125 x 1.333=167 ppm N, so all you have to do is dilute it to ¾ of its current concentration for use. You could take a quart of solution out and replace it with a quart of water, or if your mixing container is large enough, add a quart plus a cup of water to the gallon. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:32 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Ray is it as simple as converting 0.75 us teaspoon to uk teaspoon which is 1.0408427308 ( which is as good as 1 teaspoon yeh ?) then add this to a uk Gallon which is 4.5 UK litres What do you think ?,if i can get this right from the start then it will be easy from here .Phew ! Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I’ll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients “tag along” in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It’s easy to determine the amount to use – just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerneorchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 3 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 101 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 101 Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! Original Message From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 101 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8 4.8  14.5 so how do they get 101 ? Regards Keith 
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Jungle Feed
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:35:30 0400 in [email protected] Ray B wrote:
This is a multipart message in MIME format. =_NextPart_000_0092_01CA2AE7.A38206A0 ContentType: text/plain; charset="iso88591" ContentTransferEncoding: 8bit WhatÂ’s the 660 m/sm? Why do you want to dilute it further? The recommended continuous feeding rate for the MSU RO formula is 125 ppm N. If your 0.75 tsp/gal gives you that, why change? Any chance ya'll could turn off the posting with a text version and an HTML version and trim the quotes occasionally? While this thread has been amusing me greatly, 1588 line posts which are mostly HTML from earlier in the thread is getting a tad insane. And as keith has finally gone metric like a good european... PPM Nitrogen = 1000000* ((%N/100)*((fertilizer in ml)/1000)/(container size in liters) Cancel some zeroes PPM Nitrogen = 10 * (%N * (fertilizer in ml))/(container size in liters) And plug in the numbers for 125PPM nitrogen... 13%N in the fertilizer... 125 = 10 * ( 13 * (x))/1 125/130 ml/l and for sanity's sake we just round to 1ml/l. And if Keith wants to play with the amounts for other PPMs. PPM component*container size in l/(10*%component)= ml of fert And if Keith absolutely must find out the TDS... the UK should have an equivalent to an agriculture extension agency which should, for a fee, be willing to do a full sample anlysis for him. Color me a grouch, but these calculations are a nobrainer in metric. And if you need to end up using screwball nonmetric units, do the unit conversion from the metric answer to the screwball units. And Keith... there's this wonderful Unix program called 'units'. Here's a useful conversion for you... You have: ml/l You want: brteaspoon/brgallon * 0.909218 / 1.0998462 And another useful conversion... You have: usteaspoon/usgallon You want: brteaspoon/brgallon * 1.1838776 / 0.84468191 And now I'm off to ponder asking for a half stack of mulch...  Chris Dukes 
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On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:29:35 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
Any chance ya'll could turn off the posting with a text version and an HTML version and trim the quotes occasionally? Please. And Keith... there's this wonderful Unix program called 'units'. Found it. I wish I had it last week. Bob 
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Jungle Feed
Jungle FeedRay , i took two readings one being 422 ppm other was 660 microsiemens .
To finish, i think what has put me off thinking the readings are wrong somehow is that the TDS is higher than i thought it would be @ 125 ppm N. Especially at every watering . i would normally peak @ approx 500ppm in summer then reduce ppm to a low of 250ppm in winter . I will stick to 0.75 gallon and see what the results are ! I apologise if this has dragged on , but i needed to know what i was doing is correct to the recommended dosage. Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] What's the 660 m/sm? Why do you want to dilute it further? The recommended continuous feeding rate for the MSU RO formula is 125 ppm N. If your 0.75 tsp/gal gives you that, why change? Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:10 AM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed I have redone this @ 0.75 /gallon result is 422ppm/660 m/sm RO 6ppm So i am thinking if this was diluted to 7 litres i should be somewhere where i want to be around TDS 250300 ppm and feeding @ every watering Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Sorry Ray , i am getting on my own nerves now !! Your calculator & MSU comes out at 0.73 teaspoons per gallon or 0.95 m/l per litre to achieve 125 ppm N. This seems high still as when i added 0.75 teaspoons per gallon the TDS was approx 650 ppm why ? as the calculator says it should be 258 ppm ,i no this doesn`t include the other elements ,but surely they don`t add up to 392 ppm This is using RO @ 6ppm Or is this TDS usually about right ? I will try again 0.73 in a gallon again and see what i get Thanks for the below i have printed it off & Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] Keith, A US gallon is 3.785 liters A US teaspoon is 4.93 milliliters An Imperial gallon is 4.546 liters An Imperial teaspoon is 5.92 milliliters 1 US teaspoon per US gallon is 4.93ml/3.785L = 1.302 ml/L 1 Imperial teaspoon per Imperial gallon is 5.92ml/4.546L = 1.302ml/L The ratio being identical means that 10 divided by the %N gives you the teaspoons per gallon to use for 125 ppm N, whether US or Imperial units. As you put one Imperial teaspoon in an Imperial gallon, you used 1/0.75=1.333, or onethird more than necessary, meaning that the solution you now have is about 125 x 1.333=167 ppm N, so all you have to do is dilute it to ¾ of its current concentration for use. You could take a quart of solution out and replace it with a quart of water, or if your mixing container is large enough, add a quart plus a cup of water to the gallon. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:32 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Ray is it as simple as converting 0.75 us teaspoon to uk teaspoon which is 1.0408427308 ( which is as good as 1 teaspoon yeh ?) then add this to a uk Gallon which is 4.5 UK litres What do you think ?,if i can get this right from the start then it will be easy from here .Phew ! Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I'll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use  just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerneorchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 3 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 101 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 101 Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! Original Message From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 101 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8 4.8  14.5 so how do they get 101 ? Regards Keith 
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Water (the original socalled “MSU” fertilizer) contributes 1000µS to the EC at 125 ppm N. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Ray , i took two readings one being 422 ppm other was 660 microsiemens . To finish, i think what has put me off thinking the readings are wrong somehow is that the TDS is higher than i thought it would be @ 125 ppm N. Especially at every watering . i would normally peak @ approx 500ppm in summer then reduce ppm to a low of 250ppm in winter . I will stick to 0.75 gallon and see what the results are ! I apologise if this has dragged on , but i needed to know what i was doing is correct to the recommended dosage. Cheers Keith 
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Do you reduce the feed rate for pleurophallids & slipper orchids Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] What's the 660 m/sm? Why do you want to dilute it further? The recommended continuous feeding rate for the MSU RO formula is 125 ppm N. If your 0.75 tsp/gal gives you that, why change? Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:10 AM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed I have redone this @ 0.75 /gallon result is 422ppm/660 m/sm RO 6ppm So i am thinking if this was diluted to 7 litres i should be somewhere where i want to be around TDS 250300 ppm and feeding @ every watering Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Sorry Ray , i am getting on my own nerves now !! Your calculator & MSU comes out at 0.73 teaspoons per gallon or 0.95 m/l per litre to achieve 125 ppm N. This seems high still as when i added 0.75 teaspoons per gallon the TDS was approx 650 ppm why ? as the calculator says it should be 258 ppm ,i no this doesn`t include the other elements ,but surely they don`t add up to 392 ppm This is using RO @ 6ppm Or is this TDS usually about right ? I will try again 0.73 in a gallon again and see what i get Thanks for the below i have printed it off & Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] Keith, A US gallon is 3.785 liters A US teaspoon is 4.93 milliliters An Imperial gallon is 4.546 liters An Imperial teaspoon is 5.92 milliliters 1 US teaspoon per US gallon is 4.93ml/3.785L = 1.302 ml/L 1 Imperial teaspoon per Imperial gallon is 5.92ml/4.546L = 1.302ml/L The ratio being identical means that 10 divided by the %N gives you the teaspoons per gallon to use for 125 ppm N, whether US or Imperial units. As you put one Imperial teaspoon in an Imperial gallon, you used 1/0.75=1.333, or onethird more than necessary, meaning that the solution you now have is about 125 x 1.333=167 ppm N, so all you have to do is dilute it to ¾ of its current concentration for use. You could take a quart of solution out and replace it with a quart of water, or if your mixing container is large enough, add a quart plus a cup of water to the gallon. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:32 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Ray is it as simple as converting 0.75 us teaspoon to uk teaspoon which is 1.0408427308 ( which is as good as 1 teaspoon yeh ?) then add this to a uk Gallon which is 4.5 UK litres What do you think ?,if i can get this right from the start then it will be easy from here .Phew ! Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I'll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use  just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerneorchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 3 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 101 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:[email protected] Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 101 Ray Barkalow  First Rays LLC  www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! Original Message From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 101 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8 4.8  14.5 so how do they get 101 ? Regards Keith 
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