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What is 'Entra.' an abbreviation of?
Al has this listed on his website
http://www.orchidexchange.com/catalog.htm#Flasks (Entra. Fire Storm 'Leesburg') crossed with a Phal! I'm thinking it's an intergeneric but have no clue. Al is a very knowledgeable fellow so I'm sure it's the real deal, I've never come across it. Anyone have an idea where I can find it? (Al's running a business and I hate to bug him with this sort of thing) - Dave |
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What is 'Entra.' an abbreviation of?
"Dave Lockwood" wrote in message
news:3EGta.749211$L1.213352@sccrnsc02... Al has this listed on his website http://www.orchidexchange.com/catalog.htm#Flasks (Entra. Fire Storm 'Leesburg') crossed with a Phal! I'm thinking it's an intergeneric but have no clue. Al is a very knowledgeable fellow so I'm sure it's the real deal, I've never come across it. Anyone have an idea where I can find it? (Al's running a business and I hate to bug him with this sort of thing) - Dave Dave, I was interested to know the answer to this as well, so I did a google groups search, and found Al has discussed Entra. previously. Here is a snippet from his post. Not the same hybrid you mention. ------ "....I have a Entra. Fire Storm x Paraphal Sunny in a mother flask at the moment. It is making nice spread of protocorms. The species break down of this cross is Phal amabilis 12.50% Phal denevei 25.00% Phal serpentilingua 25.00% Ren monachica 25.00% Vdps gigantea 12.50%...." ----- sneff |
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What is 'Entra.' an abbreviation of?
Ernestara = Phalaenopsis x Renanthera x Vandopsis
-- Ray Barkalow First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info! "Dave Lockwood" wrote in message news:3EGta.749211$L1.213352@sccrnsc02... Al has this listed on his website http://www.orchidexchange.com/catalog.htm#Flasks (Entra. Fire Storm 'Leesburg') crossed with a Phal! I'm thinking it's an intergeneric but have no clue. Al is a very knowledgeable fellow so I'm sure it's the real deal, I've never come across it. Anyone have an idea where I can find it? (Al's running a business and I hate to bug him with this sort of thing) - Dave |
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What is 'Entra.' an abbreviation of?
A bit more digging shows:
Ernestara Fire Storm = Phalandopsis Arizona Star (Phal amabilis x Vandopsis gigantea) x Renanthera monachica. They are apparently substantial flowers, basically varying degrees of yellow with red spots, some fading to more of an orange background. Ken Peterson ought to be yellow, so I'm guessing that these will be in the yellow-orange range as well. Incidentally, I have added a list of all currently recognized orchid genera, with their abbreviations and makeup to the Free Info pages at our website. It's a long list, so be patient while it loads! -- Ray Barkalow First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info! "Ray @ First Rays Orchids" wrote in message ... Ernestara = Phalaenopsis x Renanthera x Vandopsis -- Ray Barkalow First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info! "Dave Lockwood" wrote in message news:3EGta.749211$L1.213352@sccrnsc02... Al has this listed on his website http://www.orchidexchange.com/catalog.htm#Flasks (Entra. Fire Storm 'Leesburg') crossed with a Phal! I'm thinking it's an intergeneric but have no clue. Al is a very knowledgeable fellow so I'm sure it's the real deal, I've never come across it. Anyone have an idea where I can find it? (Al's running a business and I hate to bug him with this sort of thing) - Dave |
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What is 'Entra.' an abbreviation of?
Here's a good coffee story:
"The Trouble with Being Ernestara Fire Storm" The Entra. Fire Storm 'Leesburg' is one of my favorite plants. Here is a link to a picture of the flower: http://www.orchidexchange.com/Photos/web0027.htm Fire storm is identified as the capsule parent and a neat looking Phal. Ken Peterson is the pollen parent on this page. I think this will be a fun cross with a lot of hot intense color possibilities. Plants from this grex are growing with a very Phal like habit. Most are still young and small. My largest plants have only 4 inch leaf spans still. There are only a few flasks left. Most are in compot or individual 2.5 inch pots. As Ray and other have pointed out an Ernestara is comprised of species from the three genera; Phalaenopsis, Vandopsis and Renanthera and this particular grex, Fire Storm, is (Phal amabilis x Vandopsis gigantea) x Renanthera monachica. When you look at this plant it is easy to see the Vandopsis and Renanthrera genes in the growth habit of the plant: Currently it has succulent monopodial growth that is very vanda-like and stands about 20" tall and has a dozen pairs of leaves. When it blooms it is very easy to recognize the two species from these two genus in the flower. What is hard to see is any evidence of the Phal. amablis grandparent. This does not mean it is not there. Inter-generic genetic being what it is it seems easy for most genes of one species to be lost due to uneven recombination of genes that still produce viable offspring, especially when you get two or more generations away from the specific cross in question. But again, I barely understand genetics so I can't say for sure. One of the parents in my Entra. Fire Storm is one of the many hybrids floating around in the orchid world with suspect parentage. If I look more than 3 generations back in any of my favorite plants I can usually find somebody who tells me there is a mistake in parentage and it is not really what it claims to be. It is getting annoying even as it is often educational to listen to what they have to say. In the case of Entra. Firestorm, the parent Phdps Arizona Star (Phal amabilis x Vandopsis gigantea) is the plant with suspect parentage When I use the word suspect it means every time I mention my Entra Fire Storm on line somebody new writes to tell me that it probably doesn't have any Phal amablis in it because Phdps Arizona Star didn't really have any. Some people give examples from personal experience with the plant and others offer only lore. I don't know personally because I have never seen examples of Phdps Arizona Star and never sought out the RHS slide of the flower required when the grex was registered. I also believe my comments above about interspecies genetics is true at the primary level. It is possible that many important genes from the Phal did not pair up during reproduction with the vandopsis and are just floating around as unpaired allies in the cells and therefore not expresses obviously in the phenotype. I bring all this up because I have used Entra. Fire Storm 'Leesburg' as the capsule parent in crosses with Paraphaleanopsis species and produced seedlings which are growing well in flask. They look vandaceous in habit at this point. One of them is listed on my website: DPE0912 Entra. Fire Storm 'Leesburg' x Pps. Sunny As a general rule it is not possible to combine Paraphalaenopsis x Phalaenopsis directly. You don't get viable seed when you cross species of these two genera together. Generally. Theoretically it is possible to achieve a plant with both genera in the background if you introduce them through an intermediary. On one level my (Entra. Fire Storm 'Leesburg' x Pps. Sunny) proves this. But then there is that pesky issue of the lineage of Phdps Arizona Star to contend with. For purposes of RHS registration the true lineage of these plants is irrelevant. When I register this hybrid it will be registered as an as yet unnamed interspecific hybrid comprising (Phalaenopsis, Vandopsis, Renanthera x Paraphaleanopsis) because the RHS is following the paperwork trail created by the registration process and this paperwork trail says Phdps Arizona Star has amablis as a parent. I have acquired both species necessary to remake Phdps. Arizona Star. Now all I have to do is repeat the experiment. Phal amablis is easy to bloom. My Vandopsis gigantea seems to be another story. They may be too young yet. All are still under a foot tall and they grows to be a very big plant. The Vandopsis are a cool growing group and their genes may be helpful to introduce cool temperature tolerance into a Phal breeding line. Have a good day, Al "Ray @ First Rays Orchids" wrote in message ... A bit more digging shows: Ernestara Fire Storm = Phalandopsis Arizona Star (Phal amabilis x Vandopsis gigantea) x Renanthera monachica. |
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What is 'Entra.' an abbreviation of?
Can somebody please lend Al some pollen from their Vandopsis gigantea?
K Barrett "Al" wrote in message ... Here's a good coffee story: "The Trouble with Being Ernestara Fire Storm" The Entra. Fire Storm 'Leesburg' is one of my favorite plants. Here is a link to a picture of the flower: http://www.orchidexchange.com/Photos/web0027.htm Fire storm is identified as the capsule parent and a neat looking Phal. Ken Peterson is the pollen parent on this page. I think this will be a fun cross with a lot of hot intense color possibilities. Plants from this grex are growing with a very Phal like habit. Most are still young and small. My largest plants have only 4 inch leaf spans still. There are only a few flasks left. Most are in compot or individual 2.5 inch pots. As Ray and other have pointed out an Ernestara is comprised of species from the three genera; Phalaenopsis, Vandopsis and Renanthera and this particular grex, Fire Storm, is (Phal amabilis x Vandopsis gigantea) x Renanthera monachica. When you look at this plant it is easy to see the Vandopsis and Renanthrera genes in the growth habit of the plant: Currently it has succulent monopodial growth that is very vanda-like and stands about 20" tall and has a dozen pairs of leaves. When it blooms it is very easy to recognize the two species from these two genus in the flower. What is hard to see is any evidence of the Phal. amablis grandparent. This does not mean it is not there. Inter-generic genetic being what it is it seems easy for most genes of one species to be lost due to uneven recombination of genes that still produce viable offspring, especially when you get two or more generations away from the specific cross in question. But again, I barely understand genetics so I can't say for sure. One of the parents in my Entra. Fire Storm is one of the many hybrids floating around in the orchid world with suspect parentage. If I look more than 3 generations back in any of my favorite plants I can usually find somebody who tells me there is a mistake in parentage and it is not really what it claims to be. It is getting annoying even as it is often educational to listen to what they have to say. In the case of Entra. Firestorm, the parent Phdps Arizona Star (Phal amabilis x Vandopsis gigantea) is the plant with suspect parentage When I use the word suspect it means every time I mention my Entra Fire Storm on line somebody new writes to tell me that it probably doesn't have any Phal amablis in it because Phdps Arizona Star didn't really have any. Some people give examples from personal experience with the plant and others offer only lore. I don't know personally because I have never seen examples of Phdps Arizona Star and never sought out the RHS slide of the flower required when the grex was registered. I also believe my comments above about interspecies genetics is true at the primary level. It is possible that many important genes from the Phal did not pair up during reproduction with the vandopsis and are just floating around as unpaired allies in the cells and therefore not expresses obviously in the phenotype. I bring all this up because I have used Entra. Fire Storm 'Leesburg' as the capsule parent in crosses with Paraphaleanopsis species and produced seedlings which are growing well in flask. They look vandaceous in habit at this point. One of them is listed on my website: DPE0912 Entra. Fire Storm 'Leesburg' x Pps. Sunny As a general rule it is not possible to combine Paraphalaenopsis x Phalaenopsis directly. You don't get viable seed when you cross species of these two genera together. Generally. Theoretically it is possible to achieve a plant with both genera in the background if you introduce them through an intermediary. On one level my (Entra. Fire Storm 'Leesburg' x Pps. Sunny) proves this. But then there is that pesky issue of the lineage of Phdps Arizona Star to contend with. For purposes of RHS registration the true lineage of these plants is irrelevant. When I register this hybrid it will be registered as an as yet unnamed interspecific hybrid comprising (Phalaenopsis, Vandopsis, Renanthera x Paraphaleanopsis) because the RHS is following the paperwork trail created by the registration process and this paperwork trail says Phdps Arizona Star has amablis as a parent. I have acquired both species necessary to remake Phdps. Arizona Star. Now all I have to do is repeat the experiment. Phal amablis is easy to bloom. My Vandopsis gigantea seems to be another story. They may be too young yet. All are still under a foot tall and they grows to be a very big plant. The Vandopsis are a cool growing group and their genes may be helpful to introduce cool temperature tolerance into a Phal breeding line. Have a good day, Al "Ray @ First Rays Orchids" wrote in message ... A bit more digging shows: Ernestara Fire Storm = Phalandopsis Arizona Star (Phal amabilis x Vandopsis gigantea) x Renanthera monachica. |
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What is 'Entra.' an abbreviation of?
That would be an excellent solution. Let's wait until the amablis is in
bloom again. :-) "K Barrett" wrote in message news:nvVta.786796$S_4.808692@rwcrnsc53... Can somebody please lend Al some pollen from their Vandopsis gigantea? K Barrett |
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What is 'Entra.' an abbreviation of?
Post it here and we can ask around other groups we attend too.
K "Al" wrote in message ... That would be an excellent solution. Let's wait until the amablis is in bloom again. :-) "K Barrett" wrote in message news:nvVta.786796$S_4.808692@rwcrnsc53... Can somebody please lend Al some pollen from their Vandopsis gigantea? K Barrett |
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What is 'Entra.' an abbreviation of?
Wow! That was a long, interesting story, and I wish you luck in recreating
the cross. I also hope mine will do well and bloom soon (11.5cm leaf span). But don't you think "The *Importance* of being Ernest-ara Fire Storm" would be more effective and certainly Wilde-r?? grin -- Reka http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." --Winston Churchill "Al" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... Here's a good coffee story: "The Trouble with Being Ernestara Fire Storm" The Entra. Fire Storm 'Leesburg' is one of my favorite plants. Here is a link to a picture of the flower: http://www.orchidexchange.com/Photos/web0027.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18.04.03 |
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What is 'Entra.' an abbreviation of?
Yes. I got the title wrong, oh well. Oscar Wilde said, among other things:
"Memory is the diary that we all carry about with us. " My memory is faulty with facts but that hardly matters because I carry my own "email sent file" with me when I travel. One should always have something sensational to read while being scanned, poked and searched by airport security. Al "Reka" wrote in message ... Wow! That was a long, interesting story, and I wish you luck in recreating the cross. I also hope mine will do well and bloom soon (11.5cm leaf span). But don't you think "The *Importance* of being Ernest-ara Fire Storm" would be more effective and certainly Wilde-r?? grin -- Reka http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." --Winston Churchill "Al" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... Here's a good coffee story: "The Trouble with Being Ernestara Fire Storm" The Entra. Fire Storm 'Leesburg' is one of my favorite plants. Here is a link to a picture of the flower: http://www.orchidexchange.com/Photos/web0027.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18.04.03 |
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What is 'Entra.' an abbreviation of?
Thanks for the memories, Al! I played Cecily in college...sob
-- Reka http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." --Winston Churchill "Al" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... Yes. I got the title wrong, oh well. Oscar Wilde said, among other things: "Memory is the diary that we all carry about with us. " My memory is faulty with facts but that hardly matters because I carry my own "email sent file" with me when I travel. One should always have something sensational to read while being scanned, poked and searched by airport security. Al "Reka" wrote in message ... Wow! That was a long, interesting story, and I wish you luck in recreating the cross. I also hope mine will do well and bloom soon (11.5cm leaf span). But don't you think "The *Importance* of being Ernest-ara Fire Storm" would be more effective and certainly Wilde-r?? grin -- Reka http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." --Winston Churchill "Al" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... Here's a good coffee story: "The Trouble with Being Ernestara Fire Storm" The Entra. Fire Storm 'Leesburg' is one of my favorite plants. Here is a link to a picture of the flower: http://www.orchidexchange.com/Photos/web0027.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18.04.03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18.04.03 |
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What is 'Entra.' an abbreviation of?
Hi,
It's for Ernestara = Entra = Phalaenopsis x Renanthera x Vandopsis cporc On Tue, 06 May 2003 04:13:51 GMT, "Dave Lockwood" wrote: Al has this listed on his website http://www.orchidexchange.com/catalog.htm#Flasks (Entra. Fire Storm 'Leesburg') crossed with a Phal! I'm thinking it's an intergeneric but have no clue. Al is a very knowledgeable fellow so I'm sure it's the real deal, I've never come across it. Anyone have an idea where I can find it? (Al's running a business and I hate to bug him with this sort of thing) - Dave |
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