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help with a Masdevallia Copper Angel
I have a Masdelvallia Copper Angel that has been limping along for about 6
years now. No matter what I do, it really never has anymore than 4 leaves and it has only bloomed twice (when I first bought it and then about 2 years later). When I bought it and it had many, many leaves. Slowly the leaves turned yellow, like one every 3 months. It stableized at about 4 leaves, sometimes 3 sometimes 5. For the last year, I have had it in a glass dome and I have moist spag. moss around the pot. I am using a very fine bark in a terra cotta "orchid" pot. It sits on my dining room table - it gets light from an eastern window. House temperature ranges from 70 F- 76 F in the summer (I like AC) and in the winter I keep the heat at 67 F. Any suggestions? Thanks, Diana |
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Diana,
Night time temps need to go into the lower 50s for this plant to thrive. What you are seeing is exactly what happens to many Masdevallias when they experience too-high night temperatures. I was growing my clone of this hybrid inside in San Francisco, with nights in the lower 60s. It never bloomed and slowly lost leaves. The minute I put it outside in the shade, new leaves and TONS of new flowers burst forth in happiness. Our nights in the City of San Francisco are almost always in the upper 40s to mid 50s, year round. It's great being surrounded on 3 sides by cold water! Your daytime temps are fine for this hybrid. Good luck! -Eric in SF "disy" wrote in message .net... I have a Masdelvallia Copper Angel that has been limping along for about 6 years now. No matter what I do, it really never has anymore than 4 leaves |
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Thanks, I'll try it. I am in Connecticut and the night temps are not
getting that low, but soon they will. I'm a little worried about it outside becuase of the heat, but I do have a good shady spot for it. Thanks again, Diana "Eric Hunt" wrote in message ... Diana, Night time temps need to go into the lower 50s for this plant to thrive. What you are seeing is exactly what happens to many Masdevallias when they experience too-high night temperatures. I was growing my clone of this hybrid inside in San Francisco, with nights in the lower 60s. It never bloomed and slowly lost leaves. The minute I put it outside in the shade, new leaves and TONS of new flowers burst forth in happiness. Our nights in the City of San Francisco are almost always in the upper 40s to mid 50s, year round. It's great being surrounded on 3 sides by cold water! Your daytime temps are fine for this hybrid. Good luck! -Eric in SF "disy" wrote in message .net... I have a Masdelvallia Copper Angel that has been limping along for about 6 years now. No matter what I do, it really never has anymore than 4 leaves |
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Diana,
Keep it outside until it freezes. Once winter hits, try growing it under lights in an unheated garage, close to the side of the house. That might keep it cold at night but not freezing. Good luck! -Eric in SF wrote in message om... Thanks, I'll try it. I am in Connecticut and the night temps are not getting that low, but soon they will. I'm a little worried about it outside becuase of the heat, but I do have a good shady spot for it. |
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Diana, CT is great for Masd's and Drac's. J&L Orchids is a great source for
these lovely minis, they are in your neck of the woods. My cool loving minis go outside into a shady spot around the end of September, I keep them there until first frost, I then bring them into the basement where they are kept unheated and under 2 flourecent bulbs (warm and cool). I toss them back into the outdoors around April and watch the weather like a hawk . If a freeze is anticipated I bring them back into the basement, otherwise they stay there until the nights get in the 70's. That's when they go back in the house, this time into the living room where the central A/C is on at around 72 at night and between 74-77 during the day. Good luck, Mariana NYC wrote in message om... Thanks, I'll try it. I am in Connecticut and the night temps are not getting that low, but soon they will. I'm a little worried about it outside becuase of the heat, but I do have a good shady spot for it. Thanks again, Diana "Eric Hunt" wrote in message ... Diana, Night time temps need to go into the lower 50s for this plant to thrive. What you are seeing is exactly what happens to many Masdevallias when they experience too-high night temperatures. I was growing my clone of this hybrid inside in San Francisco, with nights in the lower 60s. It never bloomed and slowly lost leaves. The minute I put it outside in the shade, new leaves and TONS of new flowers burst forth in happiness. Our nights in the City of San Francisco are almost always in the upper 40s to mid 50s, year round. It's great being surrounded on 3 sides by cold water! Your daytime temps are fine for this hybrid. Good luck! -Eric in SF "disy" wrote in message .net... I have a Masdelvallia Copper Angel that has been limping along for about 6 years now. No matter what I do, it really never has anymore than 4 leaves |
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"GrlIntrpted" wrote in message ... Diana, CT is great for Masd's and Drac's. J&L Orchids is a great source for these lovely minis, they are in your neck of the woods. My cool loving minis go outside into a shady spot around the end of September, I keep them there until first frost, I then bring them into the basement where they are kept unheated and under 2 flourecent bulbs (warm and cool). I toss them back into the outdoors around April and watch the weather like a hawk . If a freeze is anticipated I bring them back into the basement, otherwise they stay there until the nights get in the 70's. That's when they go back in the house, this time into the living room where the central A/C is on at around 72 at night and between 74-77 during the day. Good luck, Mariana NYC Thanks for the suggestions, I never thought of the Garage! It's a perfect place - I am in an out of it everyday. I actually got this one from J&L, what a great place - I am only about 30 - 40 minutes a way from them. Also, I am about 40 minutes from Venamy Ochids in Brewster which is another wonderful place to wander, dream and find another Orchid for the collection. Thanks again, Diana wrote in message om... Thanks, I'll try it. I am in Connecticut and the night temps are not getting that low, but soon they will. I'm a little worried about it outside becuase of the heat, but I do have a good shady spot for it. Thanks again, Diana "Eric Hunt" wrote in message ... Diana, Night time temps need to go into the lower 50s for this plant to thrive. What you are seeing is exactly what happens to many Masdevallias when they experience too-high night temperatures. I was growing my clone of this hybrid inside in San Francisco, with nights in the lower 60s. It never bloomed and slowly lost leaves. The minute I put it outside in the shade, new leaves and TONS of new flowers burst forth in happiness. Our nights in the City of San Francisco are almost always in the upper 40s to mid 50s, year round. It's great being surrounded on 3 sides by cold water! Your daytime temps are fine for this hybrid. Good luck! -Eric in SF "disy" wrote in message .net... I have a Masdelvallia Copper Angel that has been limping along for about 6 years now. No matter what I do, it really never has anymore than 4 leaves |
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"GrlIntrpted" wrote in message ... Diana, CT is great for Masd's and Drac's. J&L Orchids is a great source for these lovely minis, they are in your neck of the woods. My cool loving minis go outside into a shady spot around the end of September, I keep them there until first frost, I then bring them into the basement where they are kept unheated and under 2 flourecent bulbs (warm and cool). I toss them back into the outdoors around April and watch the weather like a hawk . If a freeze is anticipated I bring them back into the basement, otherwise they stay there until the nights get in the 70's. That's when they go back in the house, this time into the living room where the central A/C is on at around 72 at night and between 74-77 during the day. Good luck, Mariana NYC Thanks for the suggestions, I never thought of the Garage! It's a perfect place - I am in an out of it everyday. I actually got this one from J&L, what a great place - I am only about 30 - 40 minutes a way from them. Also, I am about 40 minutes from Venamy Ochids in Brewster which is another wonderful place to wander, dream and find another Orchid for the collection. Thanks again, Diana |
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You mean the weather, not the plant, right? About freezing... *G*
K Barrett "Eric Hunt" wrote in message ... Diana, Keep it outside until it freezes. Once winter hits, try growing it under lights in an unheated garage, close to the side of the house. That might keep it cold at night but not freezing. Good luck! -Eric in SF wrote in message om... Thanks, I'll try it. I am in Connecticut and the night temps are not getting that low, but soon they will. I'm a little worried about it outside becuase of the heat, but I do have a good shady spot for it. |
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help with a Masdevallia Copper Angel
"disy" wrote in message t... "GrlIntrpted" wrote in message ... Diana, CT is great for Masd's and Drac's. J&L Orchids is a great source for these lovely minis, they are in your neck of the woods. My cool loving minis go outside into a shady spot around the end of September, I keep them there until first frost, I then bring them into the basement where they are kept unheated and under 2 flourecent bulbs (warm and cool). I toss them back into the outdoors around April and watch the weather like a hawk . If a freeze is anticipated I bring them back into the basement, otherwise they stay there until the nights get in the 70's. That's when they go back in the house, this time into the living room where the central A/C is on at around 72 at night and between 74-77 during the day. Good luck, Mariana NYC Thanks for the suggestions, I never thought of the Garage! It's a perfect place - I am in an out of it everyday. I actually got this one from J&L, what a great place - I am only about 30 - 40 minutes a way from them. Also, I am about 40 minutes from Venamy Ochids in Brewster which is another wonderful place to wander, dream and find another Orchid for the collection. Thanks again, Diana I'm jealous! I swear if I was there I'd beg to volunteer in that nursery and I'd come in to practically do anything to just learn. The mini's are my first experiment with moving some of the orchids into the outdoors. 99% of my collection is grown inside. After I've gotten into the miniatures and spoke to sales reps at Andy's Orchids, and J&L (at various shows) I was adviced to try and move them outside for the chilly nights. Not all of my mini's are treated that way, I keep many at home on window sills (or next to the sills). But I have to tell you that the few that I've started taking outside produce more leaves and flower with more consistency (I guess it depends on the species too). The weather as I'm sure you know has been awful for the past several weeks, nothing but 100% humidity and no sun. I decided to move some more of the orchids into the outdoors. Currently I have a Dend.lindleyi , Epi. marmuratum, B. little stars, and Enc tempensis, as well as a few Dend. hybrids sitting it the backyard (well some are suspended off hooks in a bright but shady spot off the backyard fence). All w/o fail almost instantly began showing signs of quick growth, roots as well as new pseudobubls. It's a big pain in the hiney to schlep the orchids outside so I'm going to leave most in the house for now and monitor how the one's in the outdoors do, maybe next season if our greenhouse plans fall through I'll just move the orchids outside and place them on the tables and plant stands for the summer. But for now, they'll stay here, close to me. Mariana |
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help with a Masdevallia Copper Angel
No, I meant the plant, but I said it a bit obtusely.
"Close to the side of the house might give the plant the cold night time temperatures it wants without letting the plant freeze." Better? =) -Eric in SF "K Barrett" wrote in message news:BYKYa.95513$Ho3.11957@sccrnsc03... You mean the weather, not the plant, right? About freezing... *G* |
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help with a Masdevallia Copper Angel
"GrlIntrpted" wrote in message t... "disy" wrote in message t... "GrlIntrpted" wrote in message ... Diana, CT is great for Masd's and Drac's. J&L Orchids is a great source for these lovely minis, they are in your neck of the woods. My cool loving minis go outside into a shady spot around the end of September, I keep them there until first frost, I then bring them into the basement where they are kept unheated and under 2 flourecent bulbs (warm and cool). I toss them back into the outdoors around April and watch the weather like a hawk . If a freeze is anticipated I bring them back into the basement, otherwise they stay there until the nights get in the 70's. That's when they go back in the house, this time into the living room where the central A/C is on at around 72 at night and between 74-77 during the day. Good luck, Mariana NYC Thanks for the suggestions, I never thought of the Garage! It's a perfect place - I am in an out of it everyday. I actually got this one from J&L, what a great place - I am only about 30 - 40 minutes a way from them. Also, I am about 40 minutes from Venamy Ochids in Brewster which is another wonderful place to wander, dream and find another Orchid for the collection. Thanks again, Diana I'm jealous! I swear if I was there I'd beg to volunteer in that nursery and I'd come in to practically do anything to just learn. The mini's are my first experiment with moving some of the orchids into the outdoors. 99% of my collection is grown inside. After I've gotten into the miniatures and spoke to sales reps at Andy's Orchids, and J&L (at various shows) I was adviced to try and move them outside for the chilly nights. Not all of my mini's are treated that way, I keep many at home on window sills (or next to the sills). But I have to tell you that the few that I've started taking outside produce more leaves and flower with more consistency (I guess it depends on the species too). The weather as I'm sure you know has been awful for the past several weeks, nothing but 100% humidity and no sun. I decided to move some more of the orchids into the outdoors. Currently I have a Dend.lindleyi , Epi. marmuratum, B. little stars, and Enc tempensis, as well as a few Dend. hybrids sitting it the backyard (well some are suspended off hooks in a bright but shady spot off the backyard fence). All w/o fail almost instantly began showing signs of quick growth, roots as well as new pseudobubls. It's a big pain in the hiney to schlep the orchids outside so I'm going to leave most in the house for now and monitor how the one's in the outdoors do, maybe next season if our greenhouse plans fall through I'll just move the orchids outside and place them on the tables and plant stands for the summer. But for now, they'll stay here, close to me. Mariana I have put a few of my orchids outside this year to try it out. Even with the horrible weather, the plants seem to be thriving. With all the rain, it's made watering much easier. Unfortunately, I only have a deck that is about 20' x 5', it is a common deck that is also used as a fire escape. I can put stuff on it in front of my unit, but must leave a clear path incase of emergency. I am not putting them all out there, but am trying a Phal, Cat and a Dend and of course my Masdelvallia now. My deck is by far the most cluttered of the decks. I have two tomato plants, my Hoya that is usually inside (a pride an joy of mine - this was one of my very first plants when I moved out of my parents home -it's over 15 years old and it loves to summer outside), a Spanish jasmine, 4 geraniums, a couple hanging planters that I put together with various flowering/trailing plants and various herbs in pots, and a few of my spider plants - now with the orchids, it absolutely paradise to sit among them all. It's amazing how many plants you can get into a very small space. The only problem with putting everything outside is that it gets very bare looking inside. If the orchids really like it, I'll figure something out for next year to be able to get more of them outside. Diana |
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Sounds great on the fire escape, and I'll bet you have no trouble filling up
the indoor locations again! Tom Nikon Coolpix 5700 (Please remove appendix to reply by e-mail) From: "disy" Organization: Optimum Online Newsgroups: rec.gardens.orchids Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 12:15:29 GMT Subject: help with a Masdevallia Copper Angel "GrlIntrpted" wrote in message t... "disy" wrote in message t... "GrlIntrpted" wrote in message ... Diana, CT is great for Masd's and Drac's. J&L Orchids is a great source for these lovely minis, they are in your neck of the woods. My cool loving minis go outside into a shady spot around the end of September, I keep them there until first frost, I then bring them into the basement where they are kept unheated and under 2 flourecent bulbs (warm and cool). I toss them back into the outdoors around April and watch the weather like a hawk . If a freeze is anticipated I bring them back into the basement, otherwise they stay there until the nights get in the 70's. That's when they go back in the house, this time into the living room where the central A/C is on at around 72 at night and between 74-77 during the day. Good luck, Mariana NYC Thanks for the suggestions, I never thought of the Garage! It's a perfect place - I am in an out of it everyday. I actually got this one from J&L, what a great place - I am only about 30 - 40 minutes a way from them. Also, I am about 40 minutes from Venamy Ochids in Brewster which is another wonderful place to wander, dream and find another Orchid for the collection. Thanks again, Diana I'm jealous! I swear if I was there I'd beg to volunteer in that nursery and I'd come in to practically do anything to just learn. The mini's are my first experiment with moving some of the orchids into the outdoors. 99% of my collection is grown inside. After I've gotten into the miniatures and spoke to sales reps at Andy's Orchids, and J&L (at various shows) I was adviced to try and move them outside for the chilly nights. Not all of my mini's are treated that way, I keep many at home on window sills (or next to the sills). But I have to tell you that the few that I've started taking outside produce more leaves and flower with more consistency (I guess it depends on the species too). The weather as I'm sure you know has been awful for the past several weeks, nothing but 100% humidity and no sun. I decided to move some more of the orchids into the outdoors. Currently I have a Dend.lindleyi , Epi. marmuratum, B. little stars, and Enc tempensis, as well as a few Dend. hybrids sitting it the backyard (well some are suspended off hooks in a bright but shady spot off the backyard fence). All w/o fail almost instantly began showing signs of quick growth, roots as well as new pseudobubls. It's a big pain in the hiney to schlep the orchids outside so I'm going to leave most in the house for now and monitor how the one's in the outdoors do, maybe next season if our greenhouse plans fall through I'll just move the orchids outside and place them on the tables and plant stands for the summer. But for now, they'll stay here, close to me. Mariana I have put a few of my orchids outside this year to try it out. Even with the horrible weather, the plants seem to be thriving. With all the rain, it's made watering much easier. Unfortunately, I only have a deck that is about 20' x 5', it is a common deck that is also used as a fire escape. I can put stuff on it in front of my unit, but must leave a clear path incase of emergency. I am not putting them all out there, but am trying a Phal, Cat and a Dend and of course my Masdelvallia now. My deck is by far the most cluttered of the decks. I have two tomato plants, my Hoya that is usually inside (a pride an joy of mine - this was one of my very first plants when I moved out of my parents home -it's over 15 years old and it loves to summer outside), a Spanish jasmine, 4 geraniums, a couple hanging planters that I put together with various flowering/trailing plants and various herbs in pots, and a few of my spider plants - now with the orchids, it absolutely paradise to sit among them all. It's amazing how many plants you can get into a very small space. The only problem with putting everything outside is that it gets very bare looking inside. If the orchids really like it, I'll figure something out for next year to be able to get more of them outside. Diana |
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"tbell" wrote in message ... Sounds great on the fire escape, and I'll bet you have no trouble filling up the indoor locations again! LOL, that is what I am afraid of! Tom Nikon Coolpix 5700 (Please remove appendix to reply by e-mail) From: "disy" Organization: Optimum Online Newsgroups: rec.gardens.orchids Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 12:15:29 GMT Subject: help with a Masdevallia Copper Angel "GrlIntrpted" wrote in message t... "disy" wrote in message t... "GrlIntrpted" wrote in message ... Diana, CT is great for Masd's and Drac's. J&L Orchids is a great source for these lovely minis, they are in your neck of the woods. My cool loving minis go outside into a shady spot around the end of September, I keep them there until first frost, I then bring them into the basement where they are kept unheated and under 2 flourecent bulbs (warm and cool). I toss them back into the outdoors around April and watch the weather like a hawk . If a freeze is anticipated I bring them back into the basement, otherwise they stay there until the nights get in the 70's. That's when they go back in the house, this time into the living room where the central A/C is on at around 72 at night and between 74-77 during the day. Good luck, Mariana NYC Thanks for the suggestions, I never thought of the Garage! It's a perfect place - I am in an out of it everyday. I actually got this one from J&L, what a great place - I am only about 30 - 40 minutes a way from them. Also, I am about 40 minutes from Venamy Ochids in Brewster which is another wonderful place to wander, dream and find another Orchid for the collection. Thanks again, Diana I'm jealous! I swear if I was there I'd beg to volunteer in that nursery and I'd come in to practically do anything to just learn. The mini's are my first experiment with moving some of the orchids into the outdoors. 99% of my collection is grown inside. After I've gotten into the miniatures and spoke to sales reps at Andy's Orchids, and J&L (at various shows) I was adviced to try and move them outside for the chilly nights. Not all of my mini's are treated that way, I keep many at home on window sills (or next to the sills). But I have to tell you that the few that I've started taking outside produce more leaves and flower with more consistency (I guess it depends on the species too). The weather as I'm sure you know has been awful for the past several weeks, nothing but 100% humidity and no sun. I decided to move some more of the orchids into the outdoors. Currently I have a Dend.lindleyi , Epi. marmuratum, B. little stars, and Enc tempensis, as well as a few Dend. hybrids sitting it the backyard (well some are suspended off hooks in a bright but shady spot off the backyard fence). All w/o fail almost instantly began showing signs of quick growth, roots as well as new pseudobubls. It's a big pain in the hiney to schlep the orchids outside so I'm going to leave most in the house for now and monitor how the one's in the outdoors do, maybe next season if our greenhouse plans fall through I'll just move the orchids outside and place them on the tables and plant stands for the summer. But for now, they'll stay here, close to me. Mariana I have put a few of my orchids outside this year to try it out. Even with the horrible weather, the plants seem to be thriving. With all the rain, it's made watering much easier. Unfortunately, I only have a deck that is about 20' x 5', it is a common deck that is also used as a fire escape. I can put stuff on it in front of my unit, but must leave a clear path incase of emergency. I am not putting them all out there, but am trying a Phal, Cat and a Dend and of course my Masdelvallia now. My deck is by far the most cluttered of the decks. I have two tomato plants, my Hoya that is usually inside (a pride an joy of mine - this was one of my very first plants when I moved out of my parents home -it's over 15 years old and it loves to summer outside), a Spanish jasmine, 4 geraniums, a couple hanging planters that I put together with various flowering/trailing plants and various herbs in pots, and a few of my spider plants - now with the orchids, it absolutely paradise to sit among them all. It's amazing how many plants you can get into a very small space. The only problem with putting everything outside is that it gets very bare looking inside. If the orchids really like it, I'll figure something out for next year to be able to get more of them outside. Diana |
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