I have a group of Phals, some of which I have had FOREVER.
For over a year now, they have had a problem that is slowly killing
them. I just now finished making a simple web site that shows and tells
about the problem.
If you prefer to reply privately, you can use the AOL address only if
you have ever used it before. If it is blocked for you, change the end
to adelphia.net to find my real address, which I hate to use here. (Spam)

Here's the site:
http://www.geocities.com/tlswilso/Phal_problems.html

Steve in the Adirondacks of northern NY

OK, please stand by. I'll try to make this site work right and I'll get
back to you all.

Steve

Steve wrote:

I have a group of Phals, some of which I have had FOREVER.
For over a year now, they have had a problem that is slowly killing
them. I just now finished making a simple web site that shows and tells
about the problem.
If you prefer to reply privately, you can use the AOL address only if
you have ever used it before. If it is blocked for you, change the end
to adelphia.net to find my real address, which I hate to use here. (Spam)

Here's the site:
http://www.geocities.com/tlswilso/Phal_problems.html

Steve in the Adirondacks of northern NY

Looks like scale to me. There could be some other things going on though.
I'd shoot them with some Malathion.
"Steve" wrote in message
t...
OK, please stand by. I'll try to make this site work right and I'll get
back to you all.

Steve

Steve wrote:

I have a group of Phals, some of which I have had FOREVER.
For over a year now, they have had a problem that is slowly killing
them. I just now finished making a simple web site that shows and tells
about the problem.
If you prefer to reply privately, you can use the AOL address only if
you have ever used it before. If it is blocked for you, change the end
to adelphia.net to find my real address, which I hate to use here.
(Spam)

Here's the site:
http://www.geocities.com/tlswilso/Phal_problems.html

Steve in the Adirondacks of northern NY

Thank you Cecil. I can assure you it is not scale. The spots are all
sunken pits and not raised bumps.
Your reply does tell me that the pictures are working now which is
really good news.

Steve

Cecil Kimber wrote:

Looks like scale to me. There could be some other things going on though.
I'd shoot them with some Malathion.
"Steve" wrote in message
t...

OK, please stand by. I'll try to make this site work right and I'll get
back to you all.

Steve

Steve wrote:


I have a group of Phals, some of which I have had FOREVER.
For over a year now, they have had a problem that is slowly killing
them. I just now finished making a simple web site that shows and tells
about the problem.
If you prefer to reply privately, you can use the AOL address only if
you have ever used it before. If it is blocked for you, change the end
to adelphia.net to find my real address, which I hate to use here.

(Spam)

Here's the site:
http://www.geocities.com/tlswilso/Phal_problems.html

Steve in the Adirondacks of northern NY

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:30:39 GMT, Steve wrote:


Your reply does tell me that the pictures are working now which is
really good news.

I am qualified to tell you the photos are finally working.
Unfortunately, I'm not qualified to diagnose the problem.

bb

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Thanks for that much anyway. :-)

Steve

bb wrote:

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:30:39 GMT, Steve wrote:



Your reply does tell me that the pictures are working now which is
really good news.


I am qualified to tell you the photos are finally working.
Unfortunately, I'm not qualified to diagnose the problem.

bb

I see traces of sunburn (tan patches in the top photo), but the rest looks
like bacterial infection or something.

The pale yellow patches on otherwise OK-looking leaves is worrisome, but I
cannot say what's what.

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Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

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"Steve" wrote in message
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Thanks for that much anyway. :-)

Steve

bb wrote:

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:30:39 GMT, Steve wrote:



Your reply does tell me that the pictures are working now which is
really good news.


I am qualified to tell you the photos are finally working.
Unfortunately, I'm not qualified to diagnose the problem.

bb

I agree it resembles sunburn but it isn't. I have had several leaves
look like that in areas where direct sun never touches. I have plants
with sunburn but not the Phals.

Steve

Ray wrote:

I see traces of sunburn (tan patches in the top photo), but the rest looks
like bacterial infection or something.

The pale yellow patches on otherwise OK-looking leaves is worrisome, but I
cannot say what's what.

Not that I've ever seen it myself, but I am reminded of the
mysterious "microfungus" that has been described elsewhe

http://www.orchidmall.com/general/microfun.htm

One curative consists of Ortho malathion and Funginex:

http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Recreation.../magnov95.html

Another alternates 3 fungicides:

http://www.soos.ca/Newsletters/2002/May2002News.htm

I personally know nothing about it and, to make things worse, had
to manually enter the above URLs so I *hope* they work- no cut and paste.
Feh.

At the very least, someone with a confirmed case of microfungus
should send some leaves off for diagnostic purposes. Perhaps a lab in FL
or CA that handles lots of orchids. The state plant pathologist in New
Mexico raises orchids; I don't know if she's ever seen this.

Do not reply to the address in the header. All mail going there
gets sent to the FTC without being read. Spam magnet!

-AJHicks
Chandler, AZ

Hey Aaron are you recommending we mix chemicals as suggested in the link you
provided to the group? Or is there some sort of never never mix chemicals
rule?
Or is this just a special case? No toxic precipitate? No trashed buffers?
Or just a change of mind?

Pat

"Aaron Hicks" wrote in message
...
Not that I've ever seen it myself, but I am reminded of the
mysterious "microfungus" that has been described elsewhe

http://www.orchidmall.com/general/microfun.htm

One curative consists of Ortho malathion and Funginex:

http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Recreation.../magnov95.html

Another alternates 3 fungicides:

http://www.soos.ca/Newsletters/2002/May2002News.htm

I personally know nothing about it and, to make things worse, had
to manually enter the above URLs so I *hope* they work- no cut and paste.
Feh.

At the very least, someone with a confirmed case of microfungus
should send some leaves off for diagnostic purposes. Perhaps a lab in FL
or CA that handles lots of orchids. The state plant pathologist in New
Mexico raises orchids; I don't know if she's ever seen this.

Do not reply to the address in the header. All mail going there
gets sent to the FTC without being read. Spam magnet!

-AJHicks
Chandler, AZ

Steve wrote in message et...
I have a group of Phals, some of which I have had FOREVER.
For over a year now, they have had a problem that is slowly killing
them. I just now finished making a simple web site that shows and tells
about the problem.
If you prefer to reply privately, you can use the AOL address only if
you have ever used it before. If it is blocked for you, change the end
to adelphia.net to find my real address, which I hate to use here. (Spam)

Here's the site:
http://www.geocities.com/tlswilso/Phal_problems.html

Steve in the Adirondacks of northern NY

I'm usually a lurker but I thought I'd reply as I have one phal (out
of 40) that displays these same symptoms. I've had it for two years
now and it's actually two phals connected in one s/h pot.

Anyways, Spring of '02 both phals started getting the yellow leaves
with black pitting. When it first started it was sudden. Lowest leaf
on both phals, then the next lowest leaf. Sunken yellow spots turning
to black. I isolated it to another room and sprayed with funginex.
That seemed to stop it. No more spread to the other leaves. This
spring it started up again on one phal but this time on the newest
leaf growing from the crown. Funginex didn't stop it this time. So I
started cutting it and soaking the leaf in physan (one week) and RD20
(the next week) it stopped. Not sure if this helps. Maybe I should
send a leaf in for testing.

Hey Aaron are you recommending we mix chemicals as suggested in the link you
provided to the group? Or is there some sort of never never mix chemicals
rule?
Or is this just a special case? No toxic precipitate? No trashed buffers?
Or just a change of mind?

Pat

(Aaron Hicks) wrote in message ...
Not that I've ever seen it myself, but I am reminded of the
mysterious "microfungus" that has been described elsewhe

http://www.orchidmall.com/general/microfun.htm

One curative consists of Ortho malathion and Funginex:

http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Recreation.../magnov95.html

Another alternates 3 fungicides:

http://www.soos.ca/Newsletters/2002/May2002News.htm

I personally know nothing about it and, to make things worse, had
to manually enter the above URLs so I *hope* they work- no cut and paste.
Feh.

At the very least, someone with a confirmed case of microfungus
should send some leaves off for diagnostic purposes. Perhaps a lab in FL
or CA that handles lots of orchids. The state plant pathologist in New
Mexico raises orchids; I don't know if she's ever seen this.

Do not reply to the address in the header. All mail going there
gets sent to the FTC without being read. Spam magnet!

-AJHicks
Chandler, AZ

Aaron pointed out the link, and he didn't even say that the information was
correct, did he? Mixing chemicals without precise knowledge of potential
reactions is risky.

I haven't read the article, but the malathion and Funginex mixture , for
example, is likely replaced with Orthenex - Orthene and Funginex.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

.. . . . . . . . . . .
"Pat Brennan" wrote in message
m...
Hey Aaron are you recommending we mix chemicals as suggested in the link
you
provided to the group? Or is there some sort of never never mix chemicals
rule?
Or is this just a special case? No toxic precipitate? No trashed buffers?
Or just a change of mind?

Pat

(Aaron Hicks) wrote in message
...
Not that I've ever seen it myself, but I am reminded of the
mysterious "microfungus" that has been described elsewhe

http://www.orchidmall.com/general/microfun.htm

One curative consists of Ortho malathion and Funginex:

http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Recreation.../magnov95.html

Another alternates 3 fungicides:

http://www.soos.ca/Newsletters/2002/May2002News.htm

I personally know nothing about it and, to make things worse, had
to manually enter the above URLs so I *hope* they work- no cut and
paste.
Feh.

At the very least, someone with a confirmed case of microfungus
should send some leaves off for diagnostic purposes. Perhaps a lab in FL
or CA that handles lots of orchids. The state plant pathologist in New
Mexico raises orchids; I don't know if she's ever seen this.

Do not reply to the address in the header. All mail going there
gets sent to the FTC without being read. Spam magnet!

-AJHicks
Chandler, AZ

This looks just like the fungus that infected my phals a few years back
and it also spreads to Cattleyas, oncidiums, etc.

I found that I needed to soak the plants regularly with Funginex for
many waterings or the fungus would just continue in the new leaves. You
need to treat the other plants also, maybe not as frequently if they
have no symptoms. The fungus does spread rapidly. I lost some phals and
saved some. It took me a while to realize that just one or two
treatments was not enough. You might also try sterilizing the pots,
trays, bench, etc with Physan.

Steve wrote:

I have a group of Phals, some of which I have had FOREVER.
For over a year now, they have had a problem that is slowly killing
them. I just now finished making a simple web site that shows and tells
about the problem.
If you prefer to reply privately, you can use the AOL address only if
you have ever used it before. If it is blocked for you, change the end
to adelphia.net to find my real address, which I hate to use here. (Spam)

Here's the site:
http://www.geocities.com/tlswilso/Phal_problems.html

Steve in the Adirondacks of northern NY


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Ray,

I am in agreement with Aaron, I think Steve has a microfungus. I was
guessing that before I even saw the pictures. I have had microfungus on
phals, I have cured it. But the only way I have successfully cured
microfungus is using a cocktail of chemicals. Two months ago when I
mentioned a cocktail Aaron replied with a post about not mixing chemicals
under the risk of toxic precipitate and wrecked buffers. Not wanting to
hear this crap again, I took my discussion with Steve out of the group. I
just find it maddening that today Aaron is giving pointers to sites
promoting chemical cocktails.

Pretending that you know more then the chemical manufactures or the
directions supplied with the chemicals does a disservice to this group. Is
the label that comes with the chemical the "precise knowledge" we must know
or is there more? If we follow the label are we still going to create toxic
precipitate? If I am Steve, who or what do I believe?

Chemical labels includes a section on compatibility and yes you better read
them and follow the directions. Randomly mixing any chemicals is a dumb
idea. But, when you take copper out of the mix, it seems that most of the
chemicals I commonly use are compatible. I am not making that up, it is
what the labels say, it is what experience has shown. Some of the more
common cocktails are even marketed as a single product, Spectro and Banrot
to name two.

BTW, I highly recommend Spectro which is a cocktail of 3336 and Daconil as a
broad spectrum fungicide.

Sorry about the double post, I would blame my ISP but who would believe me.

From someone introduced to Griesbach's Blitz at a very young age,

Pat