This one is Lc.Tropical Treat.

Shell


"Ray" wrote in message
...
With catts, there is so much variability, it's hard to say without knowing
the hybrid. For example, Slc. Tiny Titan is fully mature at 6" tall,
while
Memorial Crispin Rosales is more likely to need to be a foot or more tall.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"Shell" wrote in message
m...
I have aquired a Catt and an Epi. pseudepidendrum. The Catt is supposed
to
be blooming sized and is about 6 inches tall, has what loks like 4
psedubulbs in 3 different sizes. Maybe it will bloom in a year. I
hope.
The Epi is still a seedling but an older seedling I think This
orchid
stuff is proving to be an adventure

Shell


"Ray" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that's a really tough question, with no "pat" answer.

Factors that must be considered:

1 Genus
2 species, or specific makeup if it's a hybrid
3 variability within the species or hybrid
4 culture

...and probably others.

Let's look at phalaenopsis alone for a moment: a phalaenopsis
gigantea
will
usually need to have leaves somewhere in the 18" length range before
it
even
begins "thinking" about blooming, while a lueddemanniana can bloom
with
3"
or 4" of total leaf span. Start hybridizing and other variables come
out
as
well.

I, for example, have a Phal Sogo Redfox - a gigantea hybrid - that
didn't
start blooming until it had about three or four 20" leaves, but I have

another plant of the same hybrid (from the same seed capsule) that
blooms
regularly on a plant with a 12" leaf span.

One can reasonably safely estimate that a vanda will need to be much
larger
and older than a phal to bloom, but I'd bet that a good grower in
Florida
can raise a vandaceous plant to grow faster than a phal in my window
(they
get very little light, so I have a greenhouse...), making it possible
that
the vanda could bloom first. OK, maybe that's pushing the point a
bit,
but
you see where I was going, especially considering that some places are
getting phals or even paphs to bloom 18 months after flasking!

As another example, I occasionally buy seedlings from H&R in Hawaii.
For
them, a plant in a 2" pot may very well be "NBS" and may bloom in a
matter
of months, while for me in Pennsylvania, it could be a year or more
out
for
the same seedling.

Basically it comes down to doing your homework, so you know what's
reasonable to expect for the plant, and understanding the cultural
conditions the plant has had and what it will get once you own it, so
you
can guesstimate on the growth rate differences.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"Shell" wrote in message
. com...
How do you tell when an orchid is blooming size or near blooming
size?
I
keep seeing leaf span measurements and pot sizes but no real ages or
anything.

Shell

Well I haven't gotten any Vandas yet, though there are several I wouldn't
mind having. I have been thinking of selling or trading two of the Dend
Caesar Jacque orchids since I would rather have one of each type I like. At
least right now who knows I could also change my mind I've been doing
a lot of looking on the web and have started a nice long wish list.

Shell


"Kenni Judd" wrote in message
...
Shell, Ray gave you very good info. To add-on from a different climate:

This could well be the case with tessellata or hybrids thereof, they bloom
early and often. And maybe some Ascocendas like Princess Mikasa [close
race, I think]. But not with most large-flowered standard vanda hybrids
which have lots of sanderiana or coerulea in the ancestry. [I am a
Florida
grower, and like to think I'm good G].

One can reasonably safely estimate that a vanda will need to be much
larger
and older than a phal to bloom, but I'd bet that a good grower in
Florida
can raise a vandaceous plant to grow faster than a phal in my window
(they
get very little light, so I have a greenhouse...), making it possible
that
the vanda could bloom first. OK, maybe that's pushing the point a bit,
but
you see where I was going, especially considering that some places are
getting phals or even paphs to bloom 18 months after flasking!

I also sometime get seedlings from H&R. In the case of most
large-flowered
catts, it will take me a year or more to bloom them [even in Florida].
Certain types will go much faster, for us mostly the intergeneric
mini-catts
involving Broughtonia, and some of the Dens.

As far as judging the ability of grower/vendors to predict when a plant is
blooming-size, you might find the OGRES rating site of interest. If you
don't already have it bookmarked, you can find a link on our Home Page.

Good growing,
--
Kenni Judd
Juno Beach Orchids

http://www.jborchids.com

As another example, I occasionally buy seedlings from H&R in Hawaii.
For
them, a plant in a 2" pot may very well be "NBS" and may bloom in a
matter
of months, while for me in Pennsylvania, it could be a year or more out
for
the same seedling.

Lc. Tropical Treat is an H&R hybrid - they specialize in mini's - involving
L. milleri and other small species. I'd say 6"-9" is pretty mature.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

.. . . . . . . . . . .
"Shell" wrote in message
m...
This one is Lc.Tropical Treat.

Shell


"Ray" wrote in message
...
With catts, there is so much variability, it's hard to say without
knowing
the hybrid. For example, Slc. Tiny Titan is fully mature at 6" tall,
while
Memorial Crispin Rosales is more likely to need to be a foot or more
tall.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"Shell" wrote in message
m...
I have aquired a Catt and an Epi. pseudepidendrum. The Catt is
supposed
to
be blooming sized and is about 6 inches tall, has what loks like 4
psedubulbs in 3 different sizes. Maybe it will bloom in a year. I
hope.
The Epi is still a seedling but an older seedling I think This
orchid
stuff is proving to be an adventure

Shell


"Ray" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, that's a really tough question, with no "pat" answer.

Factors that must be considered:

1 Genus
2 species, or specific makeup if it's a hybrid
3 variability within the species or hybrid
4 culture

...and probably others.

Let's look at phalaenopsis alone for a moment: a phalaenopsis
gigantea
will
usually need to have leaves somewhere in the 18" length range before
it
even
begins "thinking" about blooming, while a lueddemanniana can bloom
with
3"
or 4" of total leaf span. Start hybridizing and other variables
come
out
as
well.

I, for example, have a Phal Sogo Redfox - a gigantea hybrid - that
didn't
start blooming until it had about three or four 20" leaves, but I
have

another plant of the same hybrid (from the same seed capsule) that
blooms
regularly on a plant with a 12" leaf span.

One can reasonably safely estimate that a vanda will need to be much
larger
and older than a phal to bloom, but I'd bet that a good grower in
Florida
can raise a vandaceous plant to grow faster than a phal in my window
(they
get very little light, so I have a greenhouse...), making it
possible
that
the vanda could bloom first. OK, maybe that's pushing the point a
bit,
but
you see where I was going, especially considering that some places
are
getting phals or even paphs to bloom 18 months after flasking!

As another example, I occasionally buy seedlings from H&R in Hawaii.
For
them, a plant in a 2" pot may very well be "NBS" and may bloom in a
matter
of months, while for me in Pennsylvania, it could be a year or more
out
for
the same seedling.

Basically it comes down to doing your homework, so you know what's
reasonable to expect for the plant, and understanding the cultural
conditions the plant has had and what it will get once you own it,
so
you
can guesstimate on the growth rate differences.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"Shell" wrote in message
. com...
How do you tell when an orchid is blooming size or near blooming
size?
I
keep seeing leaf span measurements and pot sizes but no real ages
or
anything.

Shell

Be careful branching to other genera until you're really comfortable growing
what you've got and can easily rebloom them.

Buying a wide variety of stuff you like the looks of, without knowing enough
about their needs is a typical beginners trap. I know I fell for it!

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

.. . . . . . . . . . .
"Shell" wrote in message
news
Well I haven't gotten any Vandas yet, though there are several I wouldn't
mind having. I have been thinking of selling or trading two of the Dend
Caesar Jacque orchids since I would rather have one of each type I like.
At
least right now who knows I could also change my mind I've been
doing
a lot of looking on the web and have started a nice long wish list.

Shell


"Kenni Judd" wrote in message
...
Shell, Ray gave you very good info. To add-on from a different climate:

This could well be the case with tessellata or hybrids thereof, they
bloom
early and often. And maybe some Ascocendas like Princess Mikasa [close
race, I think]. But not with most large-flowered standard vanda
hybrids
which have lots of sanderiana or coerulea in the ancestry. [I am a
Florida
grower, and like to think I'm good G].

One can reasonably safely estimate that a vanda will need to be much
larger
and older than a phal to bloom, but I'd bet that a good grower in
Florida
can raise a vandaceous plant to grow faster than a phal in my window
(they
get very little light, so I have a greenhouse...), making it possible
that
the vanda could bloom first. OK, maybe that's pushing the point a
bit,
but
you see where I was going, especially considering that some places are
getting phals or even paphs to bloom 18 months after flasking!

I also sometime get seedlings from H&R. In the case of most
large-flowered
catts, it will take me a year or more to bloom them [even in Florida].
Certain types will go much faster, for us mostly the intergeneric
mini-catts
involving Broughtonia, and some of the Dens.

As far as judging the ability of grower/vendors to predict when a plant
is
blooming-size, you might find the OGRES rating site of interest. If
you
don't already have it bookmarked, you can find a link on our Home Page.

Good growing,
--
Kenni Judd
Juno Beach Orchids

http://www.jborchids.com

As another example, I occasionally buy seedlings from H&R in Hawaii.
For
them, a plant in a 2" pot may very well be "NBS" and may bloom in a
matter
of months, while for me in Pennsylvania, it could be a year or more
out
for
the same seedling.