I didn't read it as he thought the charges were valid or invalid.
It seemed to me his only comment that exposing corruption was
good. See...I find it funny that this stuff always gets around to
being a politicians fault, when the constant thread in this
situation is that someone turned him in. George has said that
many times, and although I rarely believe everything I read,
this has come up enough that I have a hard time buying into
repetitive coincidence. Why not put the blame where it
belongs - on the person who alerted him to authorities. I have
no doubt that whomever was in the Whitehouse, George
would still be having the same issue.

And as for Tennis's comment, he is free to move to another
state in which he feels less repressed. I find it offensive that
his post seems to indicate that he feels his problems are
bigger than those of the wide audience that traffic this or
any other group. He doesn't know the genetic makeup nor
the personal circumstances of most of the people whom
his message is received by. There are many communities
in which he would be the majority if that is what would make
him feel more comfortable.

Crystal

--
http://home.comcast.net/~xtals/orchid.htm
"Ray" wrote in message
...
But Geir. You're assuming that the charges are valid in the first place.
I
agree with Tennis that the "innocent until proven guilty" theorem is being
badly trodden in this country under George II and his cronies, or should I
say "puppeteers."

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"Geir Harris Hedemark" wrote in message
...
tennis maynard writes:
plant police and law enforcement in general. Almost every day, I read
about deliberate obstruction of justice, mal- and mis- feasance as
well as downright theft, murder, assault and other abuse by members of
our law enforcement agencies (including prosecutors, judges, and the
FBI). They no longer deserve any of the trust previously reposed in
them, and I am far more likely to believe anyone on the wrong side of
them is on the right side of the law.

rant
I cannot believe anyone goes into rant mode because someone in a place
of power is found out. It looks like - and this is what gives me the
willies - you would actually prefer that these guys were not found
out, and that this would make you trust these people more. To me, it
looks like you want a system that doesn't catch these people - who
will always be attracted to positions of power - just so you could have
some peace of mind. Hear no evil, see no evil...

I hope you didn't actually mean what you said.
/rant

Geir

I didn't read it as he thought the charges were valid or invalid.
It seemed to me his only comment that exposing corruption was
good. See...I find it funny that this stuff always gets around to
being a politicians fault, when the constant thread in this
situation is that someone turned him in. George has said that
many times, and although I rarely believe everything I read,
this has come up enough that I have a hard time buying into
repetitive coincidence. Why not put the blame where it
belongs - on the person who alerted him to authorities. I have
no doubt that whomever was in the Whitehouse, George
would still be having the same issue.

And as for Tennis's comment, he is free to move to another
state in which he feels less repressed. I find it offensive that
his post seems to indicate that he feels his problems are
bigger than those of the wide audience that traffic this or
any other group. He doesn't know the genetic makeup nor
the personal circumstances of most of the people whom
his message is received by. There are many communities
in which he would be the majority if that is what would make
him feel more comfortable.

Crystal

--
http://home.comcast.net/~xtals/orchid.htm
"Ray" wrote in message
...
But Geir. You're assuming that the charges are valid in the first place.
I
agree with Tennis that the "innocent until proven guilty" theorem is being
badly trodden in this country under George II and his cronies, or should I
say "puppeteers."

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"Geir Harris Hedemark" wrote in message
...
tennis maynard writes:
plant police and law enforcement in general. Almost every day, I read
about deliberate obstruction of justice, mal- and mis- feasance as
well as downright theft, murder, assault and other abuse by members of
our law enforcement agencies (including prosecutors, judges, and the
FBI). They no longer deserve any of the trust previously reposed in
them, and I am far more likely to believe anyone on the wrong side of
them is on the right side of the law.

rant
I cannot believe anyone goes into rant mode because someone in a place
of power is found out. It looks like - and this is what gives me the
willies - you would actually prefer that these guys were not found
out, and that this would make you trust these people more. To me, it
looks like you want a system that doesn't catch these people - who
will always be attracted to positions of power - just so you could have
some peace of mind. Hear no evil, see no evil...

I hope you didn't actually mean what you said.
/rant

Geir

I didn't read it as he thought the charges were valid or invalid.
It seemed to me his only comment that exposing corruption was
good. See...I find it funny that this stuff always gets around to
being a politicians fault, when the constant thread in this
situation is that someone turned him in. George has said that
many times, and although I rarely believe everything I read,
this has come up enough that I have a hard time buying into
repetitive coincidence. Why not put the blame where it
belongs - on the person who alerted him to authorities. I have
no doubt that whomever was in the Whitehouse, George
would still be having the same issue.

And as for Tennis's comment, he is free to move to another
state in which he feels less repressed. I find it offensive that
his post seems to indicate that he feels his problems are
bigger than those of the wide audience that traffic this or
any other group. He doesn't know the genetic makeup nor
the personal circumstances of most of the people whom
his message is received by. There are many communities
in which he would be the majority if that is what would make
him feel more comfortable.

Crystal

--
http://home.comcast.net/~xtals/orchid.htm
"Ray" wrote in message
...
But Geir. You're assuming that the charges are valid in the first place.
I
agree with Tennis that the "innocent until proven guilty" theorem is being
badly trodden in this country under George II and his cronies, or should I
say "puppeteers."

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"Geir Harris Hedemark" wrote in message
...
tennis maynard writes:
plant police and law enforcement in general. Almost every day, I read
about deliberate obstruction of justice, mal- and mis- feasance as
well as downright theft, murder, assault and other abuse by members of
our law enforcement agencies (including prosecutors, judges, and the
FBI). They no longer deserve any of the trust previously reposed in
them, and I am far more likely to believe anyone on the wrong side of
them is on the right side of the law.

rant
I cannot believe anyone goes into rant mode because someone in a place
of power is found out. It looks like - and this is what gives me the
willies - you would actually prefer that these guys were not found
out, and that this would make you trust these people more. To me, it
looks like you want a system that doesn't catch these people - who
will always be attracted to positions of power - just so you could have
some peace of mind. Hear no evil, see no evil...

I hope you didn't actually mean what you said.
/rant

Geir

"Ray" wrote in message
...
But Geir. You're assuming that the charges are valid in the first place.
I
agree with Tennis that the "innocent until proven guilty" theorem is being
badly trodden in this country under George II and his cronies, or should I
say "puppeteers."


Hey Ray, you're saying this as if this kind of abuse, together with the
"puppeteers" didn't exist during the Clinton administration

Mariana

"Ray" wrote in message
...
But Geir. You're assuming that the charges are valid in the first place.
I
agree with Tennis that the "innocent until proven guilty" theorem is being
badly trodden in this country under George II and his cronies, or should I
say "puppeteers."


Hey Ray, you're saying this as if this kind of abuse, together with the
"puppeteers" didn't exist during the Clinton administration

Mariana

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 21:02:30 GMT, "Diana Kulaga"
wrote:

I have strong opinions on the thoughts and accusations in this thread, so
I'm sorely tempted to get into this, but..........nah. Not worth the loss
of camaradarie.

Yeap!

deg

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 21:02:30 GMT, "Diana Kulaga"
wrote:

I have strong opinions on the thoughts and accusations in this thread, so
I'm sorely tempted to get into this, but..........nah. Not worth the loss
of camaradarie.

Yeap!

deg

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 21:02:30 GMT, "Diana Kulaga"
wrote:

I have strong opinions on the thoughts and accusations in this thread, so
I'm sorely tempted to get into this, but..........nah. Not worth the loss
of camaradarie.

Diana

I was working under the assunmption the charges are likely true. If
not then I hope he is exonerated. BUT when it comes to fols who ARE
guilty of wholesale rampaging through wild stock I have no pity or use
for them.


MY Humble opinion of course.

And Ray I agreee with you on Dubya but this is not the proper forum
for that discussion! G

Dave

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 21:02:30 GMT, "Diana Kulaga"
wrote:

I have strong opinions on the thoughts and accusations in this thread, so
I'm sorely tempted to get into this, but..........nah. Not worth the loss
of camaradarie.

Diana

I was working under the assunmption the charges are likely true. If
not then I hope he is exonerated. BUT when it comes to fols who ARE
guilty of wholesale rampaging through wild stock I have no pity or use
for them.


MY Humble opinion of course.

And Ray I agreee with you on Dubya but this is not the proper forum
for that discussion! G

Dave

Diana, you got it right. This thread is kinda taking the fun out of a
gardening forum since we do not expect to get into politics when we visit
this forum. I also believe some people will not purchase in the future from
certain vendors because of their comments.

Bobby Baxter
http://thegardensite.com



"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
ink.net...
I have strong opinions on the thoughts and accusations in this thread, so
I'm sorely tempted to get into this, but..........nah. Not worth the loss
of camaradarie.

Diana

Diana, you got it right. This thread is kinda taking the fun out of a
gardening forum since we do not expect to get into politics when we visit
this forum. I also believe some people will not purchase in the future from
certain vendors because of their comments.

Bobby Baxter
http://thegardensite.com



"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
ink.net...
I have strong opinions on the thoughts and accusations in this thread, so
I'm sorely tempted to get into this, but..........nah. Not worth the loss
of camaradarie.

Diana

No, I wouldn't truly say that. It's just that the current administration
has really kicked the civil-liberty-trodding into a higher gear, in my
opinion.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

.. . . . . . . . . . .
"GrlIntrpted" wrote in message
. net...

"Ray" wrote in message
...
But Geir. You're assuming that the charges are valid in the first
place.
I
agree with Tennis that the "innocent until proven guilty" theorem is
being
badly trodden in this country under George II and his cronies, or should
I
say "puppeteers."


Hey Ray, you're saying this as if this kind of abuse, together with the
"puppeteers" didn't exist during the Clinton administration

Mariana

No, I wouldn't truly say that. It's just that the current administration
has really kicked the civil-liberty-trodding into a higher gear, in my
opinion.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

.. . . . . . . . . . .
"GrlIntrpted" wrote in message
. net...

"Ray" wrote in message
...
But Geir. You're assuming that the charges are valid in the first
place.
I
agree with Tennis that the "innocent until proven guilty" theorem is
being
badly trodden in this country under George II and his cronies, or should
I
say "puppeteers."


Hey Ray, you're saying this as if this kind of abuse, together with the
"puppeteers" didn't exist during the Clinton administration

Mariana

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 21:02:30 GMT, "Diana Kulaga"
wrote:

I have strong opinions on the thoughts and accusations in this thread, so
I'm sorely tempted to get into this, but..........nah. Not worth the loss
of camaradarie.

Diana

I was working under the assunmption the charges are likely true. If
not then I hope he is exonerated. BUT when it comes to fols who ARE
guilty of wholesale rampaging through wild stock I have no pity or use
for them.


MY Humble opinion of course.

And Ray I agreee with you on Dubya but this is not the proper forum
for that discussion! G

Dave

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 21:02:30 GMT, "Diana Kulaga"
wrote:

I have strong opinions on the thoughts and accusations in this thread, so
I'm sorely tempted to get into this, but..........nah. Not worth the loss
of camaradarie.

Diana

I was working under the assunmption the charges are likely true. If
not then I hope he is exonerated. BUT when it comes to fols who ARE
guilty of wholesale rampaging through wild stock I have no pity or use
for them.


MY Humble opinion of course.

And Ray I agreee with you on Dubya but this is not the proper forum
for that discussion! G

Dave