That's an idiotic response.

I neither condone or support smuggling, poaching, stripping or anything of
the sort.

Maybe I'm just feeling sorry for a 70-year old...

Jerk.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!
..
"theoneflasehaddock" ****off wrote in message
...
Subject: Arias Sentenced
From: "Ray"
Date: 7/28/2004 6:18 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On a positive note, Manuel, as I understand it, is back home and I would
hope it's unlikely that his government will extradite a 70 year old man.


Your support of orchid smuggling is going to be mentioned on other forums,
where conservation is more of an issue. I hope you don't mind.

-

theoneflasehaddock

On 29 Jul 2004 19:01:58 GMT, uckoff
(theoneflasehaddock) wrote:

Your support of orchid smuggling is going to be mentioned on other forums,
where conservation is more of an issue. I hope you don't mind.

theoneflasehaddock

I never supported smuggling and I never approved of your cross
posting my comments to some other web based group. I post where
I want the information posted and DO NOT WANT it posted elsewhere
by you or others.
SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php

Subject: Arias Sentenced
From: "Diana Kulaga"
Date: 7/29/2004 5:31 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: .net

Your support of orchid smuggling is going to be mentioned on other forums,
where conservation is more of an issue. I hope you don't mind.

theoneflasehaddock

Fish,

It would be prudent to note that Ray's comments were based more on
compassion for a 70 year old man than support of his admitted crime, of
which none of us approve.




Do a google search on Ray's other comments. He was stating before the trial
that the man was innocent, and has defended them numerous times.

-

theoneflasehaddock

Subject: Arias Sentenced
From: "Diana Kulaga"
Date: 7/29/2004 5:31 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: .net

Your support of orchid smuggling is going to be mentioned on other forums,
where conservation is more of an issue. I hope you don't mind.

theoneflasehaddock

Fish,

It would be prudent to note that Ray's comments were based more on
compassion for a 70 year old man than support of his admitted crime, of
which none of us approve.




Do a google search on Ray's other comments. He was stating before the trial
that the man was innocent, and has defended them numerous times.

-

theoneflasehaddock

Subject: Arias Sentenced
From: Dewitt
Date: 7/29/2004 5:53 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 29 Jul 2004 19:01:58 GMT, uckoff
(theoneflasehaddock) wrote:

Your support of orchid smuggling is going to be mentioned on other forums,
where conservation is more of an issue. I hope you don't mind.

Implied or explicit threats are inappropriate on this group. Ray
expressed an opinion, nothing more. For you to take his comment to
other forums where he is not a participant in an attempt to "punish"
him is childish, but I guess we could expect that based on your email
address above.

It may be childish. And it was not intended as a threat, as it has already been
done.

As for "punishing him", I am merely broadcasting his views to a wider audience.
I often wonder why so many orchid growers are apologists for the smugglers,
and/or customers to them. And, having seen Ray as an apologist for some time, I
don't believe he cares about conservation issues. While he has a right not to
care, he is a commercial supplier, albeit a small one, and I believe in
boycotting suppliers that don't believe in following the laws that protect wild
orchids.

Calling that childish is your right, but I don't see how anyone can claim to
care about plants without caring about protecting them in the wild.


-

theoneflasehaddock

Subject: Arias Sentenced
From: Dewitt
Date: 7/29/2004 5:53 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 29 Jul 2004 19:01:58 GMT, uckoff
(theoneflasehaddock) wrote:

Your support of orchid smuggling is going to be mentioned on other forums,
where conservation is more of an issue. I hope you don't mind.

Implied or explicit threats are inappropriate on this group. Ray
expressed an opinion, nothing more. For you to take his comment to
other forums where he is not a participant in an attempt to "punish"
him is childish, but I guess we could expect that based on your email
address above.

It may be childish. And it was not intended as a threat, as it has already been
done.

As for "punishing him", I am merely broadcasting his views to a wider audience.
I often wonder why so many orchid growers are apologists for the smugglers,
and/or customers to them. And, having seen Ray as an apologist for some time, I
don't believe he cares about conservation issues. While he has a right not to
care, he is a commercial supplier, albeit a small one, and I believe in
boycotting suppliers that don't believe in following the laws that protect wild
orchids.

Calling that childish is your right, but I don't see how anyone can claim to
care about plants without caring about protecting them in the wild.


-

theoneflasehaddock

Subject: Arias Sentenced
From: "Ray"
Date: 7/29/2004 6:49 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

That's an idiotic response.

I neither condone or support smuggling, poaching, stripping or anything of
the sort.

Maybe I'm just feeling sorry for a 70-year old...

Jerk.


You don't believe 70 year olds should be forced to follow laws, and you accuse
me of an idiotic response?

-



--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!
.
"theoneflasehaddock" ****off wrote in message
...
Subject: Arias Sentenced
From: "Ray"
Date: 7/28/2004 6:18 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On a positive note, Manuel, as I understand it, is back home and I would
hope it's unlikely that his government will extradite a 70 year old man.


Your support of orchid smuggling is going to be mentioned on other forums,
where conservation is more of an issue. I hope you don't mind.

-

theoneflasehaddock










theoneflasehaddock

Subject: Arias Sentenced
From: "Ray"
Date: 7/29/2004 6:49 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

That's an idiotic response.

I neither condone or support smuggling, poaching, stripping or anything of
the sort.

Maybe I'm just feeling sorry for a 70-year old...

Jerk.


You don't believe 70 year olds should be forced to follow laws, and you accuse
me of an idiotic response?

-



--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!
.
"theoneflasehaddock" ****off wrote in message
...
Subject: Arias Sentenced
From: "Ray"
Date: 7/28/2004 6:18 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On a positive note, Manuel, as I understand it, is back home and I would
hope it's unlikely that his government will extradite a 70 year old man.


Your support of orchid smuggling is going to be mentioned on other forums,
where conservation is more of an issue. I hope you don't mind.

-

theoneflasehaddock










theoneflasehaddock

A couple of last comments before I ignore you altogether, troll:

1) I have no problems with 70-year-olds being held to the law. My comment
involved that bit of attitude known as "compassion" in a situation in which
21 months is a huge part of what's left of the man's life. That is
obviously something you know nothing about. Add to that the physical impact
of incarceration, and it multiplies the situation.

2) My understanding from involved individuals (on both sides, I might add)
is that there really is no proof that any illegal plants were collected or
transferred across borders. The original charges were of conspiracy to do
so, but in an effort to avoid lengthy and costly trials, guilty pleas were
offered. Have you never heard of that happening before?

OK. One last comment: read the last seven letters of your reply address
aloud to yourself.
--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!
..
"theoneflasehaddock" ****off wrote in message
...
Subject: Arias Sentenced
From: "Ray"
Date: 7/29/2004 6:49 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

That's an idiotic response.

I neither condone or support smuggling, poaching, stripping or anything
of
the sort.

Maybe I'm just feeling sorry for a 70-year old...

Jerk.


You don't believe 70 year olds should be forced to follow laws, and you
accuse
me of an idiotic response?

-



--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!
.
"theoneflasehaddock" ****off wrote in message
...
Subject: Arias Sentenced
From: "Ray"
Date: 7/28/2004 6:18 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On a positive note, Manuel, as I understand it, is back home and I
would
hope it's unlikely that his government will extradite a 70 year old
man.


Your support of orchid smuggling is going to be mentioned on other
forums,
where conservation is more of an issue. I hope you don't mind.

-

theoneflasehaddock










theoneflasehaddock

A couple of last comments before I ignore you altogether, troll:

1) I have no problems with 70-year-olds being held to the law. My comment
involved that bit of attitude known as "compassion" in a situation in which
21 months is a huge part of what's left of the man's life. That is
obviously something you know nothing about. Add to that the physical impact
of incarceration, and it multiplies the situation.

2) My understanding from involved individuals (on both sides, I might add)
is that there really is no proof that any illegal plants were collected or
transferred across borders. The original charges were of conspiracy to do
so, but in an effort to avoid lengthy and costly trials, guilty pleas were
offered. Have you never heard of that happening before?

OK. One last comment: read the last seven letters of your reply address
aloud to yourself.
--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!
..
"theoneflasehaddock" ****off wrote in message
...
Subject: Arias Sentenced
From: "Ray"
Date: 7/29/2004 6:49 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

That's an idiotic response.

I neither condone or support smuggling, poaching, stripping or anything
of
the sort.

Maybe I'm just feeling sorry for a 70-year old...

Jerk.


You don't believe 70 year olds should be forced to follow laws, and you
accuse
me of an idiotic response?

-



--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!
.
"theoneflasehaddock" ****off wrote in message
...
Subject: Arias Sentenced
From: "Ray"
Date: 7/28/2004 6:18 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On a positive note, Manuel, as I understand it, is back home and I
would
hope it's unlikely that his government will extradite a 70 year old
man.


Your support of orchid smuggling is going to be mentioned on other
forums,
where conservation is more of an issue. I hope you don't mind.

-

theoneflasehaddock










theoneflasehaddock

"theoneflasehaddock" ****off wrote in message
...
Subject: Arias Sentenced
From: "Diana Kulaga"
Date: 7/29/2004 5:31 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: .net

Your support of orchid smuggling is going to be mentioned on other
forums,
where conservation is more of an issue. I hope you don't mind.

theoneflasehaddock

Fish,

It would be prudent to note that Ray's comments were based more on
compassion for a 70 year old man than support of his admitted crime, of
which none of us approve.




Do a google search on Ray's other comments. He was stating before the
trial
that the man was innocent, and has defended them numerous times.

-

theoneflasehaddock

Fish,

In this country (the US of A), individuals are generally presumed innocent
until the opposite is proven, with the exception of those who declare war
against us. Is that too complex a concept? I'm afraid your crusade against
Ray is going nowhere, my friend. Knock it off.

Diana

"theoneflasehaddock" ****off wrote in message
...
Subject: Arias Sentenced
From: "Diana Kulaga"
Date: 7/29/2004 5:31 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: .net

Your support of orchid smuggling is going to be mentioned on other
forums,
where conservation is more of an issue. I hope you don't mind.

theoneflasehaddock

Fish,

It would be prudent to note that Ray's comments were based more on
compassion for a 70 year old man than support of his admitted crime, of
which none of us approve.




Do a google search on Ray's other comments. He was stating before the
trial
that the man was innocent, and has defended them numerous times.

-

theoneflasehaddock

Fish,

In this country (the US of A), individuals are generally presumed innocent
until the opposite is proven, with the exception of those who declare war
against us. Is that too complex a concept? I'm afraid your crusade against
Ray is going nowhere, my friend. Knock it off.

Diana

On 30 Jul 2004 20:02:34 GMT, uckoff
(theoneflasehaddock) wrote:


It may be childish. And it was not intended as a threat, as it has already been
done.

As for "punishing him", I am merely broadcasting his views to a wider audience.

theoneflasehaddock

You have "Broadcast" all of us to a wider audience. Which is
also Illegal - Not that you understand the concept of Legality.
SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php

On 30 Jul 2004 20:02:34 GMT, uckoff
(theoneflasehaddock) wrote:


It may be childish. And it was not intended as a threat, as it has already been
done.

As for "punishing him", I am merely broadcasting his views to a wider audience.

theoneflasehaddock

You have "Broadcast" all of us to a wider audience. Which is
also Illegal - Not that you understand the concept of Legality.
SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php

He did plead guilty so the innocent part kind of fall the vagon now don't
it.
Mattias
"Diana Kulaga" skrev i meddelandet
ink.net...

"theoneflasehaddock" ****off wrote in message
...
Subject: Arias Sentenced
From: "Diana Kulaga"
Date: 7/29/2004 5:31 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: .net

Your support of orchid smuggling is going to be mentioned on other
forums,
where conservation is more of an issue. I hope you don't mind.

theoneflasehaddock

Fish,

It would be prudent to note that Ray's comments were based more on
compassion for a 70 year old man than support of his admitted crime, of
which none of us approve.




Do a google search on Ray's other comments. He was stating before the
trial
that the man was innocent, and has defended them numerous times.

-

theoneflasehaddock

Fish,

In this country (the US of A), individuals are generally presumed innocent
until the opposite is proven, with the exception of those who declare war
against us. Is that too complex a concept? I'm afraid your crusade
against
Ray is going nowhere, my friend. Knock it off.

Diana