Hi group,

Several months ago, I bought a Dtps. King Shiang's Rose from a nursery,
and it was supposed to have been awarded a HCC. However, on the label,
there is no cultivar name. I asked the nursery, and they told me they
would try to trace it (they got it from Taiwan). I'm curious, can a
plant be awarded and not have a cultivar name? TIA

Cheers,
Xi

No. As the award is given to the particular plant, there has to be a way of
discerning it from others of the same species or hybrid, hence the
requirement for the cultivar name.

I have seen such non-cultivar-specific award designations on listings of
parents of hybrids - still not a good idea, but intended to show that this
particular cross was made from awarded parents, not WHICH SPECIFIC awarded
parents, e.g., Phal. Oh Wow (Phal Verygood HCC x Phal Pretty Damned Good AM)

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"Xi Wang" wrote in message
news:fNTZc.307335$gE.81948@pd7tw3no...
Hi group,

Several months ago, I bought a Dtps. King Shiang's Rose from a nursery,
and it was supposed to have been awarded a HCC. However, on the label,
there is no cultivar name. I asked the nursery, and they told me they
would try to trace it (they got it from Taiwan). I'm curious, can a plant
be awarded and not have a cultivar name? TIA

Cheers,
Xi

No. As the award is given to the particular plant, there has to be a way of
discerning it from others of the same species or hybrid, hence the
requirement for the cultivar name.

I have seen such non-cultivar-specific award designations on listings of
parents of hybrids - still not a good idea, but intended to show that this
particular cross was made from awarded parents, not WHICH SPECIFIC awarded
parents, e.g., Phal. Oh Wow (Phal Verygood HCC x Phal Pretty Damned Good AM)

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!
..
"Xi Wang" wrote in message
news:fNTZc.307335$gE.81948@pd7tw3no...
Hi group,

Several months ago, I bought a Dtps. King Shiang's Rose from a nursery,
and it was supposed to have been awarded a HCC. However, on the label,
there is no cultivar name. I asked the nursery, and they told me they
would try to trace it (they got it from Taiwan). I'm curious, can a plant
be awarded and not have a cultivar name? TIA

Cheers,
Xi

This isn't gospel, but 'Kuo' received an HCC/78 in Taiwan in 1996

The only other award that's in my Wildcatt was owned by Norman's Orchids and
awarded here in teh States. Norman's was 'White Edge' 77/HCC also in 96.

Here's the award description for 'White edge': Eight flowers and four buds
evenly spaced on one branched, arched inflorescence; sepals and petals full,
deep pinkish purple, veined dark rose; petals strikingly margined white; lip
deep, matte orange-purple distally, shading to rose proximally andon side
lobes; columr rose, anther cap white.

And here's the description for 'Kuo': Forty-five flowers on two
inflorescences; flower form round and full, somewhat cupped; sepals and
petals deep rose with darker venation; lip maroon.

I have no idea if this helps you or not.

K Barrett

"Xi Wang" wrote in message
news:fNTZc.307335$gE.81948@pd7tw3no...
Hi group,

Several months ago, I bought a Dtps. King Shiang's Rose from a nursery,
and it was supposed to have been awarded a HCC. However, on the label,
there is no cultivar name. I asked the nursery, and they told me they
would try to trace it (they got it from Taiwan). I'm curious, can a
plant be awarded and not have a cultivar name? TIA

Cheers,
Xi

Thanks for your reply. I phoned up a nursery and they gave me the same
info from Wildcatt. If they can trace it and tell me what the HCC
pointage was, then I can probably deduce from that the cultivar.
However, my concern is that Wildcatt may be incomplete. Are all awarded
plants registred with some central body like the RHS?? Or can a plant
receive an award which goes unregistered officially?

TIA,
Xi Wang

K Barrett wrote:
This isn't gospel, but 'Kuo' received an HCC/78 in Taiwan in 1996

The only other award that's in my Wildcatt was owned by Norman's Orchids and
awarded here in teh States. Norman's was 'White Edge' 77/HCC also in 96.

Here's the award description for 'White edge': Eight flowers and four buds
evenly spaced on one branched, arched inflorescence; sepals and petals full,
deep pinkish purple, veined dark rose; petals strikingly margined white; lip
deep, matte orange-purple distally, shading to rose proximally andon side
lobes; columr rose, anther cap white.

And here's the description for 'Kuo': Forty-five flowers on two
inflorescences; flower form round and full, somewhat cupped; sepals and
petals deep rose with darker venation; lip maroon.

I have no idea if this helps you or not.

K Barrett

"Xi Wang" wrote in message
news:fNTZc.307335$gE.81948@pd7tw3no...

Hi group,

Several months ago, I bought a Dtps. King Shiang's Rose from a nursery,
and it was supposed to have been awarded a HCC. However, on the label,
there is no cultivar name. I asked the nursery, and they told me they
would try to trace it (they got it from Taiwan). I'm curious, can a
plant be awarded and not have a cultivar name? TIA

Cheers,
Xi

AOS awards are registered with the AOS. The RHS wouldn't keep track of
them, and vice versa. Since you state it was an AOS award on a Taiwanese
plant then its gotta be in teh AOS database somehwere.

Wildcatt is incomplete only in terms of awards granted very recently, like
in the past 1 1/2 - 2 yrs. There's lag time built into the system. Recent
paperwork has yet to make it from the AOS to the exhibitor and then back to
the AOS for processing and dissemination to the individual judging centers.
(Exhibitors have 6 months from the time the AOS gives them their paperwork
to fill out and pay the fee)

Therefore, taking what Wildcatt says and adding to that info from my AQs
2001, 2002, 2003, and to date in 2004 Dtps. King Shiang's Rose hasn't had
any more awards printed in the AQ. It doesn't appear to have been awarded
by the AOS since its last go around in 1996.

So we are back to square one, waiting to see if the vendor can confirm or
deny which clone your's is.

K Barrett

"Xi Wang" wrote in message
news:Ej2_c.310399$J06.80618@pd7tw2no...
Thanks for your reply. I phoned up a nursery and they gave me the same
info from Wildcatt. If they can trace it and tell me what the HCC
pointage was, then I can probably deduce from that the cultivar.
However, my concern is that Wildcatt may be incomplete. Are all awarded
plants registred with some central body like the RHS?? Or can a plant
receive an award which goes unregistered officially?

TIA,
Xi Wang

K Barrett wrote:
This isn't gospel, but 'Kuo' received an HCC/78 in Taiwan in 1996

The only other award that's in my Wildcatt was owned by Norman's Orchids
and
awarded here in teh States. Norman's was 'White Edge' 77/HCC also in
96.

Here's the award description for 'White edge': Eight flowers and four
buds
evenly spaced on one branched, arched inflorescence; sepals and petals
full,
deep pinkish purple, veined dark rose; petals strikingly margined white;
lip
deep, matte orange-purple distally, shading to rose proximally andon
side
lobes; columr rose, anther cap white.

And here's the description for 'Kuo': Forty-five flowers on two
inflorescences; flower form round and full, somewhat cupped; sepals and
petals deep rose with darker venation; lip maroon.

I have no idea if this helps you or not.

K Barrett

"Xi Wang" wrote in message
news:fNTZc.307335$gE.81948@pd7tw3no...

Hi group,

Several months ago, I bought a Dtps. King Shiang's Rose from a nursery,
and it was supposed to have been awarded a HCC. However, on the label,
there is no cultivar name. I asked the nursery, and they told me they
would try to trace it (they got it from Taiwan). I'm curious, can a
plant be awarded and not have a cultivar name? TIA

Cheers,
Xi

AOS awards are registered with the AOS. The RHS wouldn't keep track of
them, and vice versa. Since you state it was an AOS award on a Taiwanese
plant then its gotta be in teh AOS database somehwere.

Wildcatt is incomplete only in terms of awards granted very recently, like
in the past 1 1/2 - 2 yrs. There's lag time built into the system. Recent
paperwork has yet to make it from the AOS to the exhibitor and then back to
the AOS for processing and dissemination to the individual judging centers.
(Exhibitors have 6 months from the time the AOS gives them their paperwork
to fill out and pay the fee)

Therefore, taking what Wildcatt says and adding to that info from my AQs
2001, 2002, 2003, and to date in 2004 Dtps. King Shiang's Rose hasn't had
any more awards printed in the AQ. It doesn't appear to have been awarded
by the AOS since its last go around in 1996.

So we are back to square one, waiting to see if the vendor can confirm or
deny which clone your's is.

K Barrett

"Xi Wang" wrote in message
news:Ej2_c.310399$J06.80618@pd7tw2no...
Thanks for your reply. I phoned up a nursery and they gave me the same
info from Wildcatt. If they can trace it and tell me what the HCC
pointage was, then I can probably deduce from that the cultivar.
However, my concern is that Wildcatt may be incomplete. Are all awarded
plants registred with some central body like the RHS?? Or can a plant
receive an award which goes unregistered officially?

TIA,
Xi Wang

K Barrett wrote:
This isn't gospel, but 'Kuo' received an HCC/78 in Taiwan in 1996

The only other award that's in my Wildcatt was owned by Norman's Orchids
and
awarded here in teh States. Norman's was 'White Edge' 77/HCC also in
96.

Here's the award description for 'White edge': Eight flowers and four
buds
evenly spaced on one branched, arched inflorescence; sepals and petals
full,
deep pinkish purple, veined dark rose; petals strikingly margined white;
lip
deep, matte orange-purple distally, shading to rose proximally andon
side
lobes; columr rose, anther cap white.

And here's the description for 'Kuo': Forty-five flowers on two
inflorescences; flower form round and full, somewhat cupped; sepals and
petals deep rose with darker venation; lip maroon.

I have no idea if this helps you or not.

K Barrett

"Xi Wang" wrote in message
news:fNTZc.307335$gE.81948@pd7tw3no...

Hi group,

Several months ago, I bought a Dtps. King Shiang's Rose from a nursery,
and it was supposed to have been awarded a HCC. However, on the label,
there is no cultivar name. I asked the nursery, and they told me they
would try to trace it (they got it from Taiwan). I'm curious, can a
plant be awarded and not have a cultivar name? TIA

Cheers,
Xi

Hi,

Thanks for your help, I very much appreciate it. 'Kuo' and 'White
Ridge' are the only HCC/AOS awarded Dtps. King Shiang's Rose plants on
record, and I do have the official descriptions of both flowers, so
maybe when mine flowers I will be able to say with some confidence what
cultivar it is. I'm betting it was Kuo was the nursery said they got it
from Taiwan.

PS. Pardon my ignorance, but what does AQ stand for when you say AQs
2001...etc?

Cheers,
Xi

K Barrett wrote:
AOS awards are registered with the AOS. The RHS wouldn't keep track of
them, and vice versa. Since you state it was an AOS award on a Taiwanese
plant then its gotta be in teh AOS database somehwere.

Wildcatt is incomplete only in terms of awards granted very recently, like
in the past 1 1/2 - 2 yrs. There's lag time built into the system. Recent
paperwork has yet to make it from the AOS to the exhibitor and then back to
the AOS for processing and dissemination to the individual judging centers.
(Exhibitors have 6 months from the time the AOS gives them their paperwork
to fill out and pay the fee)

Therefore, taking what Wildcatt says and adding to that info from my AQs
2001, 2002, 2003, and to date in 2004 Dtps. King Shiang's Rose hasn't had
any more awards printed in the AQ. It doesn't appear to have been awarded
by the AOS since its last go around in 1996.

So we are back to square one, waiting to see if the vendor can confirm or
deny which clone your's is.

K Barrett

"Xi Wang" wrote in message
news:Ej2_c.310399$J06.80618@pd7tw2no...

Thanks for your reply. I phoned up a nursery and they gave me the same
info from Wildcatt. If they can trace it and tell me what the HCC
pointage was, then I can probably deduce from that the cultivar.
However, my concern is that Wildcatt may be incomplete. Are all awarded
plants registred with some central body like the RHS?? Or can a plant
receive an award which goes unregistered officially?

TIA,
Xi Wang

K Barrett wrote:

This isn't gospel, but 'Kuo' received an HCC/78 in Taiwan in 1996

The only other award that's in my Wildcatt was owned by Norman's Orchids

and

awarded here in teh States. Norman's was 'White Edge' 77/HCC also in

96.

Here's the award description for 'White edge': Eight flowers and four

buds

evenly spaced on one branched, arched inflorescence; sepals and petals

full,

deep pinkish purple, veined dark rose; petals strikingly margined white;

lip

deep, matte orange-purple distally, shading to rose proximally andon

side

lobes; columr rose, anther cap white.

And here's the description for 'Kuo': Forty-five flowers on two
inflorescences; flower form round and full, somewhat cupped; sepals and
petals deep rose with darker venation; lip maroon.

I have no idea if this helps you or not.

K Barrett

"Xi Wang" wrote in message
news:fNTZc.307335$gE.81948@pd7tw3no...


Hi group,

Several months ago, I bought a Dtps. King Shiang's Rose from a nursery,
and it was supposed to have been awarded a HCC. However, on the label,
there is no cultivar name. I asked the nursery, and they told me they
would try to trace it (they got it from Taiwan). I'm curious, can a
plant be awarded and not have a cultivar name? TIA

Cheers,
Xi

Hi,

Thanks for your help, I very much appreciate it. 'Kuo' and 'White
Ridge' are the only HCC/AOS awarded Dtps. King Shiang's Rose plants on
record, and I do have the official descriptions of both flowers, so
maybe when mine flowers I will be able to say with some confidence what
cultivar it is. I'm betting it was Kuo was the nursery said they got it
from Taiwan.

PS. Pardon my ignorance, but what does AQ stand for when you say AQs
2001...etc?

Cheers,
Xi

K Barrett wrote:
AOS awards are registered with the AOS. The RHS wouldn't keep track of
them, and vice versa. Since you state it was an AOS award on a Taiwanese
plant then its gotta be in teh AOS database somehwere.

Wildcatt is incomplete only in terms of awards granted very recently, like
in the past 1 1/2 - 2 yrs. There's lag time built into the system. Recent
paperwork has yet to make it from the AOS to the exhibitor and then back to
the AOS for processing and dissemination to the individual judging centers.
(Exhibitors have 6 months from the time the AOS gives them their paperwork
to fill out and pay the fee)

Therefore, taking what Wildcatt says and adding to that info from my AQs
2001, 2002, 2003, and to date in 2004 Dtps. King Shiang's Rose hasn't had
any more awards printed in the AQ. It doesn't appear to have been awarded
by the AOS since its last go around in 1996.

So we are back to square one, waiting to see if the vendor can confirm or
deny which clone your's is.

K Barrett

"Xi Wang" wrote in message
news:Ej2_c.310399$J06.80618@pd7tw2no...

Thanks for your reply. I phoned up a nursery and they gave me the same
info from Wildcatt. If they can trace it and tell me what the HCC
pointage was, then I can probably deduce from that the cultivar.
However, my concern is that Wildcatt may be incomplete. Are all awarded
plants registred with some central body like the RHS?? Or can a plant
receive an award which goes unregistered officially?

TIA,
Xi Wang

K Barrett wrote:

This isn't gospel, but 'Kuo' received an HCC/78 in Taiwan in 1996

The only other award that's in my Wildcatt was owned by Norman's Orchids

and

awarded here in teh States. Norman's was 'White Edge' 77/HCC also in

96.

Here's the award description for 'White edge': Eight flowers and four

buds

evenly spaced on one branched, arched inflorescence; sepals and petals

full,

deep pinkish purple, veined dark rose; petals strikingly margined white;

lip

deep, matte orange-purple distally, shading to rose proximally andon

side

lobes; columr rose, anther cap white.

And here's the description for 'Kuo': Forty-five flowers on two
inflorescences; flower form round and full, somewhat cupped; sepals and
petals deep rose with darker venation; lip maroon.

I have no idea if this helps you or not.

K Barrett

"Xi Wang" wrote in message
news:fNTZc.307335$gE.81948@pd7tw3no...


Hi group,

Several months ago, I bought a Dtps. King Shiang's Rose from a nursery,
and it was supposed to have been awarded a HCC. However, on the label,
there is no cultivar name. I asked the nursery, and they told me they
would try to trace it (they got it from Taiwan). I'm curious, can a
plant be awarded and not have a cultivar name? TIA

Cheers,
Xi

AQ = Award of Quality. I believe it is given when at least ten (a dozen?)
of a new cross all display an improvement over similar hybrids.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!
..
"Xi Wang" wrote in message
news:wdx_c.305289$M95.2512@pd7tw1no...
Hi,

Thanks for your help, I very much appreciate it. 'Kuo' and 'White Ridge'
are the only HCC/AOS awarded Dtps. King Shiang's Rose plants on record,
and I do have the official descriptions of both flowers, so maybe when
mine flowers I will be able to say with some confidence what cultivar it
is. I'm betting it was Kuo was the nursery said they got it from Taiwan.

PS. Pardon my ignorance, but what does AQ stand for when you say AQs
2001...etc?

Cheers,
Xi

K Barrett wrote:
AOS awards are registered with the AOS. The RHS wouldn't keep track of
them, and vice versa. Since you state it was an AOS award on a Taiwanese
plant then its gotta be in teh AOS database somehwere.

Wildcatt is incomplete only in terms of awards granted very recently,
like
in the past 1 1/2 - 2 yrs. There's lag time built into the system.
Recent
paperwork has yet to make it from the AOS to the exhibitor and then back
to
the AOS for processing and dissemination to the individual judging
centers.
(Exhibitors have 6 months from the time the AOS gives them their
paperwork
to fill out and pay the fee)

Therefore, taking what Wildcatt says and adding to that info from my AQs
2001, 2002, 2003, and to date in 2004 Dtps. King Shiang's Rose hasn't had
any more awards printed in the AQ. It doesn't appear to have been
awarded
by the AOS since its last go around in 1996.

So we are back to square one, waiting to see if the vendor can confirm or
deny which clone your's is.

K Barrett

"Xi Wang" wrote in message
news:Ej2_c.310399$J06.80618@pd7tw2no...

Thanks for your reply. I phoned up a nursery and they gave me the same
info from Wildcatt. If they can trace it and tell me what the HCC
pointage was, then I can probably deduce from that the cultivar.
However, my concern is that Wildcatt may be incomplete. Are all awarded
plants registred with some central body like the RHS?? Or can a plant
receive an award which goes unregistered officially?

TIA,
Xi Wang

K Barrett wrote:

This isn't gospel, but 'Kuo' received an HCC/78 in Taiwan in 1996

The only other award that's in my Wildcatt was owned by Norman's Orchids

and

awarded here in teh States. Norman's was 'White Edge' 77/HCC also in

96.

Here's the award description for 'White edge': Eight flowers and four

buds

evenly spaced on one branched, arched inflorescence; sepals and petals

full,

deep pinkish purple, veined dark rose; petals strikingly margined white;

lip

deep, matte orange-purple distally, shading to rose proximally andon

side

lobes; columr rose, anther cap white.

And here's the description for 'Kuo': Forty-five flowers on two
inflorescences; flower form round and full, somewhat cupped; sepals and
petals deep rose with darker venation; lip maroon.

I have no idea if this helps you or not.

K Barrett

"Xi Wang" wrote in message
news:fNTZc.307335$gE.81948@pd7tw3no...


Hi group,

Several months ago, I bought a Dtps. King Shiang's Rose from a nursery,
and it was supposed to have been awarded a HCC. However, on the label,
there is no cultivar name. I asked the nursery, and they told me they
would try to trace it (they got it from Taiwan). I'm curious, can a
plant be awarded and not have a cultivar name? TIA

Cheers,
Xi