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AOS Judging-Cut Flowers
I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not
particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging centers that are 3 hours away. I read that you can mail plants or cut flowers to a designated individual and they will be judged at the next session. Has anyone had any luck mailing cut flowers and receiving awards? It seems that the whole plant would have a better impact on the judging team. Thoughts? Garland |
Garland,
I am pretty sure the San Francisco judges have given an award to a cut orchid flower bloom in the last year. They specifically pointed out that the award they were talking about was from a mailed, cut flower. KBarrett would know more, since she's a student judge. -Eric in SF www.orchidphotos.org "GARLAND HANSON" wrote in message news:EMIld.2842$m36.1241@trnddc02... I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging centers that are 3 hours away. |
Garland,
I am pretty sure the San Francisco judges have given an award to a cut orchid flower bloom in the last year. They specifically pointed out that the award they were talking about was from a mailed, cut flower. KBarrett would know more, since she's a student judge. -Eric in SF www.orchidphotos.org "GARLAND HANSON" wrote in message news:EMIld.2842$m36.1241@trnddc02... I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging centers that are 3 hours away. |
GARLAND HANSON wrote:
I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging centers that are 3 hours away. I read that you can mail plants or cut flowers to a designated individual and they will be judged at the next session. Has anyone had any luck mailing cut flowers and receiving awards? It seems that the whole plant would have a better impact on the judging team. Thoughts? Garland We don't see it that often. Especially in the last few years, as it seems that judging centers have proliferated faster than red states, so there is less of a geographic barrier. But it is explicitly permitted, and we'd be happy to look at them. Of course you don't get the flowers back... Better to send the inflorescence rather than the whole plant (it would ship better, and cheaper, if nothing else). There may be an effect on the judging team, but I suspect it wouldn't be that negative. If you submit cut material, be sure to send the entire inflorescence (not a single flower from a phal, for example). We judge the inflorescence as a whole. If you wanted to FedEx your plants or blooms to me, I can take them to our judging this coming Saturday (Nov 20). Alternatively, if you get a copy of AQ, there is a list of judging centers and dates in there, as well as information about who to send the material to. Thanks for bringing up an option that most people don't think about (or know about - even many judges, I suspect). Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit LittlefrogFarm is open - e-mail me for a list ) |
GARLAND HANSON wrote:
I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging centers that are 3 hours away. I read that you can mail plants or cut flowers to a designated individual and they will be judged at the next session. Has anyone had any luck mailing cut flowers and receiving awards? It seems that the whole plant would have a better impact on the judging team. Thoughts? Garland We don't see it that often. Especially in the last few years, as it seems that judging centers have proliferated faster than red states, so there is less of a geographic barrier. But it is explicitly permitted, and we'd be happy to look at them. Of course you don't get the flowers back... Better to send the inflorescence rather than the whole plant (it would ship better, and cheaper, if nothing else). There may be an effect on the judging team, but I suspect it wouldn't be that negative. If you submit cut material, be sure to send the entire inflorescence (not a single flower from a phal, for example). We judge the inflorescence as a whole. If you wanted to FedEx your plants or blooms to me, I can take them to our judging this coming Saturday (Nov 20). Alternatively, if you get a copy of AQ, there is a list of judging centers and dates in there, as well as information about who to send the material to. Thanks for bringing up an option that most people don't think about (or know about - even many judges, I suspect). Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit LittlefrogFarm is open - e-mail me for a list ) |
That's a good question. I know we had a plant mailed to the Pac central
region a few years ago. (A paph IIRC) BUT!! I have no idea how to package the plant properly so as not to have it damaged in transport. If I were you I'd call Maynard Michel of Orchids Orinda. Either he or his wife Helen would be able to advise you. The Michels are designated as the people to mail plants to the Pac Central region. (925) 447-7171 K Barrett "GARLAND HANSON" wrote in message news:EMIld.2842$m36.1241@trnddc02... I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging centers that are 3 hours away. I read that you can mail plants or cut flowers to a designated individual and they will be judged at the next session. Has anyone had any luck mailing cut flowers and receiving awards? It seems that the whole plant would have a better impact on the judging team. Thoughts? Garland |
That's a good question. I know we had a plant mailed to the Pac central
region a few years ago. (A paph IIRC) BUT!! I have no idea how to package the plant properly so as not to have it damaged in transport. If I were you I'd call Maynard Michel of Orchids Orinda. Either he or his wife Helen would be able to advise you. The Michels are designated as the people to mail plants to the Pac Central region. (925) 447-7171 K Barrett "GARLAND HANSON" wrote in message news:EMIld.2842$m36.1241@trnddc02... I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging centers that are 3 hours away. I read that you can mail plants or cut flowers to a designated individual and they will be judged at the next session. Has anyone had any luck mailing cut flowers and receiving awards? It seems that the whole plant would have a better impact on the judging team. Thoughts? Garland |
That's a good question. I know we had a plant mailed to the Pac central
region a few years ago. (A paph IIRC) BUT!! I have no idea how to package the plant properly so as not to have it damaged in transport. If I were you I'd call Maynard Michel of Orchids Orinda. Either he or his wife Helen would be able to advise you. The Michels are designated as the people to mail plants to the Pac Central region. (925) 447-7171 K Barrett "GARLAND HANSON" wrote in message news:EMIld.2842$m36.1241@trnddc02... I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging centers that are 3 hours away. I read that you can mail plants or cut flowers to a designated individual and they will be judged at the next session. Has anyone had any luck mailing cut flowers and receiving awards? It seems that the whole plant would have a better impact on the judging team. Thoughts? Garland |
A second thought... sometimes the plant is quite beaten up, so sending the
cut inflorescence makes a better impression than sending the whole plant, *G*. K Barrett "K Barrett" wrote in message news:E7Rld.97228$R05.85013@attbi_s53... That's a good question. I know we had a plant mailed to the Pac central region a few years ago. (A paph IIRC) BUT!! I have no idea how to package the plant properly so as not to have it damaged in transport. If I were you I'd call Maynard Michel of Orchids Orinda. Either he or his wife Helen would be able to advise you. The Michels are designated as the people to mail plants to the Pac Central region. (925) 447-7171 K Barrett "GARLAND HANSON" wrote in message news:EMIld.2842$m36.1241@trnddc02... I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging centers that are 3 hours away. I read that you can mail plants or cut flowers to a designated individual and they will be judged at the next session. Has anyone had any luck mailing cut flowers and receiving awards? It seems that the whole plant would have a better impact on the judging team. Thoughts? Garland |
A second thought... sometimes the plant is quite beaten up, so sending the
cut inflorescence makes a better impression than sending the whole plant, *G*. K Barrett "K Barrett" wrote in message news:E7Rld.97228$R05.85013@attbi_s53... That's a good question. I know we had a plant mailed to the Pac central region a few years ago. (A paph IIRC) BUT!! I have no idea how to package the plant properly so as not to have it damaged in transport. If I were you I'd call Maynard Michel of Orchids Orinda. Either he or his wife Helen would be able to advise you. The Michels are designated as the people to mail plants to the Pac Central region. (925) 447-7171 K Barrett "GARLAND HANSON" wrote in message news:EMIld.2842$m36.1241@trnddc02... I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging centers that are 3 hours away. I read that you can mail plants or cut flowers to a designated individual and they will be judged at the next session. Has anyone had any luck mailing cut flowers and receiving awards? It seems that the whole plant would have a better impact on the judging team. Thoughts? Garland |
I sent a paph curtisii flower to a judging center a number of years ago.
Unfortunately it was not in very good shape by the time it arrived. I would suggest you put the flower or inflorencence into a tube with water and ship it FedEx or UPS or DHL next day air. It will cost you but will ensure that it arrives fresh. |
I sent a paph curtisii flower to a judging center a number of years ago.
Unfortunately it was not in very good shape by the time it arrived. I would suggest you put the flower or inflorencence into a tube with water and ship it FedEx or UPS or DHL next day air. It will cost you but will ensure that it arrives fresh. |
I have seen cut flowers awarded. Zuma used to do shows on the east coast
and his display would often contain cut flowers. Often he received awards on these cut flowers. I was also at judging where a grower, who was present, received an AM on a cut stem yellow Phal. I asked the grower why he had brought just the stem and get this. Seems he had brought the whole plant to judging the year before and the plant was passed on with the explanation that the stem was too long for the plant and flowers making the whole thing seem leggy. Cutting the stem to a more normal length turned a leggy plant into an AOS award winner. Pat |
I have seen cut flowers awarded. Zuma used to do shows on the east coast
and his display would often contain cut flowers. Often he received awards on these cut flowers. I was also at judging where a grower, who was present, received an AM on a cut stem yellow Phal. I asked the grower why he had brought just the stem and get this. Seems he had brought the whole plant to judging the year before and the plant was passed on with the explanation that the stem was too long for the plant and flowers making the whole thing seem leggy. Cutting the stem to a more normal length turned a leggy plant into an AOS award winner. Pat |
Not being a judge nor having ever taken anything to judging, I'll look to
others for some insight here, but doesn't that latter example defeat one of the purposes of judging in the first place? I am under the (possibly false) impression that one purpose of judging is to reward desirable plants (sort of a "reverse culling" process), which ultimately leads to replication of-, and further breeding of those desirable traits. In that example, the grower "deceived" the judges, thereby potentially leading to the proliferation of the legginess. (I'll also have to say that I have sometimes seen plants I'd love to have get totally passed over at judging, so maybe I would have liked the legginess!) -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. "Pat Brennan" wrote in message ... I have seen cut flowers awarded. Zuma used to do shows on the east coast and his display would often contain cut flowers. Often he received awards on these cut flowers. I was also at judging where a grower, who was present, received an AM on a cut stem yellow Phal. I asked the grower why he had brought just the stem and get this. Seems he had brought the whole plant to judging the year before and the plant was passed on with the explanation that the stem was too long for the plant and flowers making the whole thing seem leggy. Cutting the stem to a more normal length turned a leggy plant into an AOS award winner. Pat |
I am under the (possibly false) impression that one purpose of judging is to
reward desirable plants (sort of a "reverse culling" process), which ultimately leads to replication It is the flowers that are supposed to be judged but many times when a plant is submitted for judging it is evaluated along with the flowers. I have submitted a number of plants for judging at the local judging center and sometimes they failed to vote for an award saying that the plant was too small and bring it back when it grows up. What would have happened if I simply submitted a cut flower. I don't know. You are right in one respect that most orchid hobbiests would be disapointed with a plant that exhibited some of the characteristics that have been discribed even if it was awarded. |
I am under the (possibly false) impression that one purpose of judging is to
reward desirable plants (sort of a "reverse culling" process), which ultimately leads to replication It is the flowers that are supposed to be judged but many times when a plant is submitted for judging it is evaluated along with the flowers. I have submitted a number of plants for judging at the local judging center and sometimes they failed to vote for an award saying that the plant was too small and bring it back when it grows up. What would have happened if I simply submitted a cut flower. I don't know. You are right in one respect that most orchid hobbiests would be disapointed with a plant that exhibited some of the characteristics that have been discribed even if it was awarded. |
I am under the (possibly false) impression that one purpose of judging is to
reward desirable plants (sort of a "reverse culling" process), which ultimately leads to replication It is the flowers that are supposed to be judged but many times when a plant is submitted for judging it is evaluated along with the flowers. I have submitted a number of plants for judging at the local judging center and sometimes they failed to vote for an award saying that the plant was too small and bring it back when it grows up. What would have happened if I simply submitted a cut flower. I don't know. You are right in one respect that most orchid hobbiests would be disapointed with a plant that exhibited some of the characteristics that have been discribed even if it was awarded. |
At our local judging center when they say "the plant is too small, bring it
back later" that means either the flowers are too small, there aren't enough flowers per inflorescence, or both. In that case submitting cut flowers wouldn't help. I'm not a judge, but I would guess that sending cut flowers would limit you to just flower quality awards. For some awards (CCM/CCE) both the plant and flowers are being judged, and I don't know if you could get a CBR or CHM on a cut flower? There are some cases where sending cut flowers might increase your odds, like when the foliage is in really bad shape or the flowers seem small compared to the size of the plant. I've been to at least a dozen judgings, and I've only seen one cut inflorescence. I don't remember if it got awarded. -danny "TRAINMAN9" wrote in message ... It is the flowers that are supposed to be judged but many times when a plant is submitted for judging it is evaluated along with the flowers. I have submitted a number of plants for judging at the local judging center and sometimes they failed to vote for an award saying that the plant was too small and bring it back when it grows up. What would have happened if I simply submitted a cut flower. I don't know. You are right in one respect that most orchid hobbiests would be disapointed with a plant that exhibited some of the characteristics that have been discribed even if it was awarded. |
At our local judging center when they say "the plant is too small, bring it
back later" that means either the flowers are too small, there aren't enough flowers per inflorescence, or both. In that case submitting cut flowers wouldn't help. I'm not a judge, but I would guess that sending cut flowers would limit you to just flower quality awards. For some awards (CCM/CCE) both the plant and flowers are being judged, and I don't know if you could get a CBR or CHM on a cut flower? There are some cases where sending cut flowers might increase your odds, like when the foliage is in really bad shape or the flowers seem small compared to the size of the plant. I've been to at least a dozen judgings, and I've only seen one cut inflorescence. I don't remember if it got awarded. -danny "TRAINMAN9" wrote in message ... It is the flowers that are supposed to be judged but many times when a plant is submitted for judging it is evaluated along with the flowers. I have submitted a number of plants for judging at the local judging center and sometimes they failed to vote for an award saying that the plant was too small and bring it back when it grows up. What would have happened if I simply submitted a cut flower. I don't know. You are right in one respect that most orchid hobbiests would be disapointed with a plant that exhibited some of the characteristics that have been discribed even if it was awarded. |
danny wrote:
At our local judging center when they say "the plant is too small, bring it back later" that means either the flowers are too small, there aren't enough flowers per inflorescence, or both. In that case submitting cut flowers wouldn't help. Actually when judging a paph, for example, the plant often is too small (or in poor condition). That usually means that we don't think the flower is up to its potential, and that we think a more mature plant will have superior blooms. It is well known that paphs (especially complex or multifloral) don't express their full potential until the plants are quite large and vigorous. You never see the best bloom on a seedling. When I refuse a plant with the excuse of "too small", I usually am thinking about something like a Masdevallia. I don't like awarding young masdevallias with only one flower, because I know that for most hybrids a mature plant will have many inflorescences at a time. And frankly, if the mature plant doesn't, then that is a very detrimental factor in my scoring - they are supposed to be floriferous. Also, a large portion of the aesthetic for masdevallias is all of the flowers being similar and evenly distributed around the plant. Plants which exhibit flowers of widely differing forms (very common, actually) should be frowned on - no way to judge that based on a single flower. For some types of orchids, you want to select for vigor and floriferousness. A minicatt with only one flower is not as desirable as one that has several blooming leads with a few flowers each, simultaneously. I'm not a judge, but I would guess that sending cut flowers would limit you to just flower quality awards. For some awards (CCM/CCE) both the plant and flowers are being judged, and I don't know if you could get a CBR or CHM on a cut flower? There are some cases where sending cut flowers might increase your odds, like when the foliage is in really bad shape or the flowers seem small compared to the size of the plant. I've been to at least a dozen judgings, and I've only seen one cut inflorescence. I don't remember if it got awarded. You would certainly be excluded from cultural awards (CCM/CCE) on a cut inflorescence. The judging handbook states for CBR (botanical recognition) that "The entire plant must be exhibited, not just the inflorescence". That is pretty clear... The same language exists for a CHM (horticultural merit). Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit LittlefrogFarm is open - e-mail me for a list ) |
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