Pronounciation?
 

All,

I, and everone I know who grows orchids around here, have always pronounced
Brassavola with the emphasis on the third syllable (the vol).

Recently, at the WPB Judging center, a couple of judges announced that the
word is pronounced "BrahSAHvola.

What do you guys have to say? Is everyone in my orchid society
mispronouncing the word, as well as growers, etc?

Diana

Diana,

It's Pronunciation, not Pronounciation.

I have always said BrahSAHvola.

I'm no judge... but I do play one on TV.

Judging Mick

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"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
nk.net...
All,

I, and everone I know who grows orchids around here, have always
pronounced
Brassavola with the emphasis on the third syllable (the vol).

Recently, at the WPB Judging center, a couple of judges announced that the
word is pronounced "BrahSAHvola.

What do you guys have to say? Is everyone in my orchid society
mispronouncing the word, as well as growers, etc?

Diana

I here it pronounced BrahSAHvola much more often than I hear BrahsahVOLa

but then everbody 'round here says Cat-Ah-lay-yah which would make Mr.
Cattley sick if he wasn't already dead by like 100 years. Cat Lee ah.

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
nk.net...
All,

I, and everone I know who grows orchids around here, have always
pronounced
Brassavola with the emphasis on the third syllable (the vol).

Recently, at the WPB Judging center, a couple of judges announced that the
word is pronounced "BrahSAHvola.

What do you guys have to say? Is everyone in my orchid society
mispronouncing the word, as well as growers, etc?

Diana

Thank you, gentlemen. Yeah, Mick. That word looked odd when I typed it.
Happens sometimes.

Diana

Al,

Mr Cattley is dead???!!!!

Dam, I am always the last one to hear about these things.

Mick

Diana Kulaga wrote:
Thank you, gentlemen. Yeah, Mick. That word looked odd when I typed it.
Happens sometimes.

Diana

Hi Diana, Anytime you have a question about pronunciation--- ask Marv.
Regan. I never saw anybody who knew them as well as he does. Good
pronouncing LOL, Bill

Diana Kulaga wrote:
All,

I, and everone I know who grows orchids around here, have always pronounced
Brassavola with the emphasis on the third syllable (the vol).

Recently, at the WPB Judging center, a couple of judges announced that the
word is pronounced "BrahSAHvola.

What do you guys have to say? Is everyone in my orchid society
mispronouncing the word, as well as growers, etc?

Diana


I pronounce it your way... But I've heard it several ways. I don't
think one is more right than the other.

The trick to pronouncing anything is to do it without hesitation.
People assume you are doing it right if you do it well. And if somebody
gives you grief, the best response is "Oh, so that is how _you_
pronounce it". Use your best snooty tone of voice.


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1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

Diana Kulaga wrote:
All,

I, and everone I know who grows orchids around here, have always pronounced
Brassavola with the emphasis on the third syllable (the vol).

Recently, at the WPB Judging center, a couple of judges announced that the
word is pronounced "BrahSAHvola.

What do you guys have to say? Is everyone in my orchid society
mispronouncing the word, as well as growers, etc?

Diana

Diana,
It's funny that you would bring that up. For decades, my only contact
with the orchid world was books and the AOS publications. Then, 10 years
ago, computers came into my life. Computers don't help much with
pronunciation (except at times like this).
After years of little to no verbal orchid contact, the Adirondack Orchid
Society was born (I consider myself one of the parents). Suddenly I have
to speak Orchid.
I'm pretty good considering the above. At the last meeting someone said
"BrassaVOLa" and I didn't dare correct him. After all, he used the
technique that Rob described and said it with great authority and
without hesitation. Since then, I have been looking up pronunciations
whenever I get the chance. I own "The Illustrated Encyclopedia of
Orchids" which gives a pronunciation for each genus. In there it is
pronounced "Bra-SAH-voe-la", which is what I have been saying (mostly to
myself) all along.
I did discover a few that I had a little wrong. I'm trying to remember
to correct myself. Sometimes I forget which ones I had right and which
ones I have to change. :-(

Steve

I pronounce it your way... But I've heard it several ways. I don't
think one is more right than the other.

The trick to pronouncing anything is to do it without hesitation.
People assume you are doing it right if you do it well. And if somebody
gives you grief, the best response is "Oh, so that is how _you_
pronounce it". Use your best snooty tone of voice.

Absolutely agree. I get away with lots of stuff by strutting self assurance.
Still, it'll be fun when we resume meeting in fall, and my pal and I start
using BrahsSAHvola in polite conversation. I can hear it now..... (psst,
psst, psst, who does she think she is?)!

Then of course, there is my husband, who, despite being a brilliant human
being, is master of the malaprop. He was called for jury duty last year, and
when they asked him if he could keep an open mind he opined that the cops
arrested the fellow, so something had to be going on (needless to say, he
did so because he didn't want to be selected for that jury). When he came
home, he informed me that after that remark he was a "pirrana" (sp?) for the
rest of the day. I was no good for the rest of the evening!

Diana

Diana,

He was a "pariah" for the rest of the day.

Mick

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:48:29 -0400, Steve
wrote:

I did discover a few that I had a little wrong. I'm trying to remember
to correct myself. Sometimes I forget which ones I had right and which
ones I have to change. :-(

Steve

This is the hardest part. Besides the fact that each section of
the country has it's own slant and 'expert'.
SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php

He was a "pariah" for the rest of the day.

Mick

No, Mick Darling, you missed the point. He actually refered to himself as
the fish, not the outcast.....

Diana

Diana,

To the defense attorney(s) he was a pariah... no sane defense attorney would
allow him to sit on a jury after making a remark like that... he would be
"challenged off" the jury. He was an outcast in the defense attorneys eyes
regardless if he thought he was a fish or not.

Mick

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"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
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He was a "pariah" for the rest of the day.

Mick

No, Mick Darling, you missed the point. He actually refered to himself as
the fish, not the outcast.....

Diana

Oh, hell, Mick, let's go back to talking about chemicals or something!

Are you able to lecture in PSL on the Ghost Orchid in October or November?

Diana

Time to jump back in after a marvelous week soaking up the rays at the NC
Outer Banks...

According to orchidspecies.com, the genus was named after an Italian, Dr. A.
M. Brassavole. How would that be pronounced in Italian?
--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!


"Susan Erickson" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:48:29 -0400, Steve
wrote:

I did discover a few that I had a little wrong. I'm trying to remember
to correct myself. Sometimes I forget which ones I had right and which
ones I have to change. :-(

Steve

This is the hardest part. Besides the fact that each section of
the country has it's own slant and 'expert'.
SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php

Is it too late to add to the controversy? My humungous Webster's Third
New International Dictionary gives BRASSavola as the 1st pronunciation
& BrasSAvola as the 2nd. It's an American dictionary; maybe the 2nd
pronunciation is British? Sometimes they put different accents on
syllables than we do in North America. I've heard "conTROVersy", for
example. I was trying to think of others but my brain is blank.
It also says A.M. Brassavola lived in the 1500s.
I too was going to suggest maybe someone here who speaks Italian could
say what the most likely pronunciation is.
I just thought BrassaVOla sounds better, but what do I know :)

Alison

"Ray" wrote in message
...
Time to jump back in after a marvelous week soaking up the rays at the NC
Outer Banks...

According to orchidspecies.com, the genus was named after an Italian, Dr.
A.
M. Brassavole. How would that be pronounced in Italian?

When I first read your post I thought I had the answer (my Dad sang in
Italian, and also taught it). If I were to see that name, BrassAHvole would
come immediately to my lips. However, I can hear the emphasis on the vol,
too. I do think it would be SAH, though.

Diana

That's right, Alison, add a *third* pronunciation! LOL! I don't know. The
master gardeners in our Society have pronounced it BrassaVOLa. The judges
here say otherwise. Personally, now that I've used it a couple of times, I
kind of like the sound of BrasSAHvola. Who knows??

Diana

Duh. I meant, BRASSaVOLa. It gives the accent on both stressed
syllables. I realized after I'd sent the message that I'd forgotten to
capitalize the VOL.
I guess you shouldn't get into these discussions when you are
distracted & in a hurry, as I was.

Alison

Ray wrote:
Time to jump back in after a marvelous week soaking up the rays at the NC
Outer Banks...

According to orchidspecies.com, the genus was named after an Italian, Dr. A.
M. Brassavole. How would that be pronounced in Italian?

Hi!

I'm not Reka, but I'm Italian :-)
There's no real 100% rule for Italian surnames accent (my own surname
gets often misread).
I say BrassAvola since it sounds more "natural" to me, but I can't
totally exclude BrassavOla, expecially if Dr Brassavole was from
Southern Italy (it sounds somewhat as a Southern Italy surname, but I
don't know for sure).
I made a research and the surname must be really rare, since there are
no Brassavole or Brassavola on the Italian phone directory.

All the best!

Anna Maria

I guess you shouldn't get into these discussions when you are
distracted & in a hurry, as I was.

Why not? Everyone else here does! G

Diana

Anna Maria,

Thanks for doing the research. I agree that BrassAHvola is easier on the
tongue. But then, Alison mentioned that she found the name with two stressed
syllables, and I can relate to that, too. My maiden name is Signorelli, with
the emphasis on both the first and third syllables.

Diana

I was "raised" on BrassaVOLa and will probably always say it that way --
creature of habit. But if folks want to say BrassAvola, I'll know what they
mean and it will be OK. I've almost stopped flinching when people ask me
for Cattle-lay-as or Denbrobia G.

"British" is indeed one possible explanation -- my QMB professor in college
was from India, and it took me nearly half the quarter to figure out that
when he said RAYsiprocal, he meant reCIProcal ... lowered my GPA, he did,
with that and a few others, all spoken very rapidly G. Kenni

wrote in message
oups.com...
Is it too late to add to the controversy? My humungous Webster's Third
New International Dictionary gives BRASSavola as the 1st pronunciation
& BrasSAvola as the 2nd. It's an American dictionary; maybe the 2nd
pronunciation is British? Sometimes they put different accents on
syllables than we do in North America. I've heard "conTROVersy", for
example. I was trying to think of others but my brain is blank.
It also says A.M. Brassavola lived in the 1500s.
I too was going to suggest maybe someone here who speaks Italian could
say what the most likely pronunciation is.
I just thought BrassaVOla sounds better, but what do I know :)

Alison

Ray wrote:
Time to jump back in after a marvelous week soaking up the rays at the NC
Outer Banks...

According to orchidspecies.com, the genus was named after an Italian, Dr. A.
M. Brassavole. How would that be pronounced in Italian?
Hmm? What? Oh...I must have been asleep.
No, actually, my mom is here, the temps in the valley have been up, so
we escaped to our mountain cabin. No computer there.

It would then be BRAS-sah-voh-la. As far as I know.
I will still say bras-sah-VOH-la! :-)

--
Reka

This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it!
http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html

Diana Kulaga wrote:
Anna Maria,

Thanks for doing the research. I agree that BrassAHvola is easier on the
tongue. But then, Alison mentioned that she found the name with two stressed
syllables, and I can relate to that, too. My maiden name is Signorelli, with
the emphasis on both the first and third syllables.

You are very welcome, Diana!

Cheers,

Anna Maria Canepa (with the emphasis on the first syllable :-)

Here is what I find in:An Orchidist's Glossary, American Orchid Society,
1974.
Brassavola (bra-SAH-voh-la). A genus of tropical American orchids closely
allied to Cattleya and Laelia, described by Robert Brown in 1813 and
dedicated to Sr. Antonio Musa Brassavola, a Venetian nobleman and botanist.
Ciao, Ed Cormier
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Diana Kulaga wrote:
Anna Maria,

Thanks for doing the research. I agree that BrassAHvola is easier on the
tongue. But then, Alison mentioned that she found the name with two
stressed
syllables, and I can relate to that, too. My maiden name is Signorelli,
with
the emphasis on both the first and third syllables.

You are very welcome, Diana!

Cheers,

Anna Maria Canepa (with the emphasis on the first syllable :-)

Kenni, there was an article in the NY Times the other day, about college
students being unable to understand the PAs. In a couple of cases the PA
literally did not speak English. For this, tuition is skyy high?

Diana

It would then be BRAS-sah-voh-la. As far as I know.
I will still say bras-sah-VOH-la! :-)

Reka, I can't wrap my tongue around that emphasis. The first syllable only?

Diana

Diana Kulaga wrote:
It would then be BRAS-sah-voh-la. As far as I know.
I will still say bras-sah-VOH-la! :-)


Reka, I can't wrap my tongue around that emphasis. The first syllable only?

Diana


Well, I guess there is a bit of a secondary emphasis on the "voh" as well.

--
Reka

This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it!
http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html

Apparently so ... although I was not talking about PAs, I was talking about
the actual _professors_. Dr. Veejay (sp? -- it's been a while) for QMB was
the worst, but Dr. Chakravarti for Marketing was a close second.

The PAs present what to me appears a more difficult issue, since those jobs
are often awarded on a GPA basis -- I know, b/c I got one of them that way,
as a "Matherly Scholar" [one of top ten in first year MBA class]. So if the
student with the unintelligible accent can get straight As -- how do you
avoid the award? But the Universities should be able to use "understandable
English speech" as a job qualification for hiring actual _teachers_ ...
Kenni


"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
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Kenni, there was an article in the NY Times the other day, about college
students being unable to understand the PAs. In a couple of cases the PA
literally did not speak English. For this, tuition is skyy high?

Diana

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 06:57:11 +0200, Reka
wrote:

Diana Kulaga wrote:
It would then be BRAS-sah-voh-la. As far as I know.
I will still say bras-sah-VOH-la! :-)


Reka, I can't wrap my tongue around that emphasis. The first syllable only?

Diana


Well, I guess there is a bit of a secondary emphasis on the "voh" as well.

After this discussion it will be another 6 months before I can
say Brassavola comfortably.
SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:34:48 -0600, Susan Erickson
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 06:57:11 +0200, Reka
wrote:

Diana Kulaga wrote:
It would then be BRAS-sah-voh-la. As far as I know.
I will still say bras-sah-VOH-la! :-)


Reka, I can't wrap my tongue around that emphasis. The first syllable only?

Diana


Well, I guess there is a bit of a secondary emphasis on the "voh" as well.

After this discussion it will be another 6 months before I can
say Brassavola comfortably.
SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php
Who was arguing about the pronunciation of "comfortably"? ;-)
Dave Gillingham
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Who was arguing about the pronunciation of "comfortably"? ;-)
Dave Gillingham

You mean it's not "comftbly"??
Diana

On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 20:31:43 GMT, "Diana Kulaga"
wrote:

Who was arguing about the pronunciation of "comfortably"? ;-)
Dave Gillingham

You mean it's not "comftbly"??
Diana

Hey, you're sounding like a dinky di outback Aussie bushie now!
Dave Gillingham
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cum-Fort-a-blee (mostly in England)
Cumf-ter-blee
Cum-fert-a-blee

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"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
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Who was arguing about the pronunciation of "comfortably"? ;-)
Dave Gillingham

You mean it's not "comftbly"??
Diana

"Ray" wrote in message
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I've heard:

cum-Fort-a-blee (mostly in England)
Cumf-ter-blee
Cum-fert-a-blee

I can't believe how this thread has morphed. G

Diana

As long as we don't start seeing stuff like:

chaduin?

Doon OK?

shichyeah



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"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
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"Ray" wrote in message
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I've heard:

cum-Fort-a-blee (mostly in England)
Cumf-ter-blee
Cum-fert-a-blee

I can't believe how this thread has morphed. G

Diana

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:35:12 GMT, "Diana Kulaga"
wrote:


"Ray" wrote in message
...
I've heard:

cum-Fort-a-blee (mostly in England)
Cumf-ter-blee
Cum-fert-a-blee

I can't believe how this thread has morphed. G

Diana

Fun though, wasn't it!
Dave Gillingham
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Diana