Cold tolerance of Oncidium Sharry Baby
Hi:
I live in Canada & just started growing orchids in my unheated sunroom. The winter temperature dips to about 50 deg F. So far I have just started with some cool growers such as zygo's & cymbidiums. I have been reading with fascination about Sharry Baby and wonder if my environment can allow me to have one ... Does anyone have experience on how cold tolerant this baby is? I have had conflicting information on whether oncidium is a cool or intermediate or warm grower in my reading... Thanks a bunch! Wink |
Cold tolerance of Oncidium Sharry Baby
I live in Canada & just started growing orchids in my unheated
sunroom. The winter temperature dips to about 50 deg F. So far I have just started with some cool growers such as zygo's & cymbidiums. I have been reading with fascination about Sharry Baby and wonder if my environment can allow me to have one ... I run two temperatures in my greenhouse-warm and cool. For years I ran the cool house at 48F at night, and 55F in the day; for the past two years I have run the house at 45F and 55F, and have seen no difference for the plants in this house-Onc Sharry Baby is one of the onc in this house. |
Cold tolerance of Oncidium Sharry Baby
Thank you very much, Susan & WNeptune. Now I can happily spend more
money :-) I have been worrying about the winter low of my potential "orchid room". A low of 50F seems too cold for most orchids in the books I read (I only caught the orchid bug 3 months ago when I successfully bloomed my cymbidium sinensis!) Perhaps WNeptune can tell me some of the types you grow in your "cool room"? How many months a year does your cool room have a winter low of 45 - 50F? This low temperature will probably affect the bloom time of some of the winter blooming orchids. I found that I have to bring the cymbidium sinensis into the house once I see the spike - I just can't wait to see the flowers! Wink |
Cold tolerance of Oncidium Sharry Baby
Perhaps WNeptune can
tell me some of the types you grow in your "cool room"? How many months a year does your cool room have a winter low of 45 - 50F? This low temperature will probably affect the bloom time of some of the winter blooming orchids. I found that I have to bring the cymbidium sinensis into the house once I see the spike - I just can't wait to see the flowers! Wink Most of the plants I have in the cool house are Australian natives, many of which will grow down to 34F. I also have Lycastes (about 35), a LARGE Dendrochilum formosanum, several L anceps, Den nobiles, several Sarcochilus, Sarcoglottis, and a number of Onc intergenerics. I wouldn't want you to think these just limp along-most of these have received AOS awards, including cultural awards. I would guess the temperature in this room is at 45F at night for about 4-5 months of the year. Currently I do not have any cymbidiums, but I would not hesitate to have standards, and miniatures in this room. I have had no experience with the Chinese cymbidiums. |
Cold tolerance of Oncidium Sharry Baby
Most of the plants I have in the cool house are Australian natives, many of
which will grow down to 34F. I also have Lycastes (about 35), a LARGE Dendrochilum formosanum, several L anceps, Den nobiles, several Sarcochilus, Sarcoglottis, and a number of Onc intergenerics. I wouldn't want you to think these just limp along-most of these have received AOS awards, including cultural awards. I would guess the temperature in this room is at 45F at night for about 4-5 months of the year. Currently I do not have any cymbidiums, but I would not hesitate to have standards, and miniatures in this room. I have had no experience with the Chinese cymbidiums. AOS awards ... certainly encouraging for a newbie! Unfortunately my sunroom doesn't really have much "sun". Thus Lycastes are probably out. I have in my mind odontoglossum, Miltonia, and hybrids with them as parents such as Wilsonara, MacLellanara. Now that I know some plants listed in the "intermediate" range can tolerate this degree of night coolness, I may be encouraged to try a few Cattleya hybrids and oncidiums too. Still have to see how "hot" my cold sunroom is during the summer months. |
Cold tolerance of Oncidium Sharry Baby
Oops, after writing the last message, I did a search on Lycastes. I
thought they are high light plants - apparently not. Another possible orchid on my list for my sunroom without much sun ... Wink |
Cold tolerance of Oncidium Sharry Baby
i have an unheated/uncooled green house here in so cal
my min /max thermometer thing tells me it is 42-44 at night and today the high inside me gh is 88-90 i have catts, ondonts, oncidium, epi's, blc's, brassavolla's, milt's, vanda's, den's and reed's and i have no damage although i do notice that i bloom a little latter in the season than most in a controlled greenhouse, but i also notice that some of my plants will bloom twice off of different leads instead of just once a year, i think it might be because of the hot temps in the gh i get more growth "jmho" i also take all my plants into the garage when the temps get below 40 i have lost alot of phal's at 38 so they stay in my office or in my house untill i stays at 50-55 all the time, i have lost too many of them to fool around and hope they make it oh and yes i have a sherry baby that puts up with the temps and seems to allways put out 2 leads at a time i also fert every time i water at 100% strength with 20-20-20after i see spikes and with 10-30-10 during growth and i flush with "clean tap water " once a month jim i dont grow by the book, but hey it seems to be working and when they dont grow i throw the book at them and then i dont grow those type any more "WNeptune" wrote in message ... I live in Canada & just started growing orchids in my unheated sunroom. The winter temperature dips to about 50 deg F. So far I have just started with some cool growers such as zygo's & cymbidiums. I have been reading with fascination about Sharry Baby and wonder if my environment can allow me to have one ... I run two temperatures in my greenhouse-warm and cool. For years I ran the cool house at 48F at night, and 55F in the day; for the past two years I have run the house at 45F and 55F, and have seen no difference for the plants in this house-Onc Sharry Baby is one of the onc in this house. |
Cold tolerance of Oncidium Sharry Baby
Oops, after writing the last message, I did a search on Lycastes. I
thought they are high light plants - apparently not. Another possible orchid on my list for my sunroom without much sun ... Wink Most growers do not grow Lycastes as high light plants, however, I grow these with full east sun during spring, summer, and fall, and as much light as I can give during winter. I believe these do better with as much light as you can give, short of burning. I put these outside s soon as there is no more frost and they remain outside until sometime in Oct. |
Cold tolerance of Oncidium Sharry Baby
Thanks for sharing w/ us the cold temperature tolerance of Phals. I
have been wondering about this for a long time. I was just curious would you say it would be safe for them in the 40-45 F zone or is that pushing it? Or how about 45-50F? "Vespaman" wrote in message ... i have an unheated/uncooled green house here in so cal my min /max thermometer thing tells me it is 42-44 at night and today the high inside me gh is 88-90 i have catts, ondonts, oncidium, epi's, blc's, brassavolla's, milt's, vanda's, den's and reed's and i have no damage although i do notice that i bloom a little latter in the season than most in a controlled greenhouse, but i also notice that some of my plants will bloom twice off of different leads instead of just once a year, i think it might be because of the hot temps in the gh i get more growth "jmho" i also take all my plants into the garage when the temps get below 40 i have lost alot of phal's at 38 so they stay in my office or in my house untill i stays at 50-55 all the time, i have lost too many of them to fool around and hope they make it oh and yes i have a sherry baby that puts up with the temps and seems to allways put out 2 leads at a time i also fert every time i water at 100% strength with 20-20-20after i see spikes and with 10-30-10 during growth and i flush with "clean tap water " once a month jim i dont grow by the book, but hey it seems to be working and when they dont grow i throw the book at them and then i dont grow those type any more "WNeptune" wrote in message ... I live in Canada & just started growing orchids in my unheated sunroom. The winter temperature dips to about 50 deg F. So far I have just started with some cool growers such as zygo's & cymbidiums. I have been reading with fascination about Sharry Baby and wonder if my environment can allow me to have one ... I run two temperatures in my greenhouse-warm and cool. For years I ran the cool house at 48F at night, and 55F in the day; for the past two years I have run the house at 45F and 55F, and have seen no difference for the plants in this house-Onc Sharry Baby is one of the onc in this house. |
Cold tolerance of Oncidium Sharry Baby
While phals can tolerate such temperatures, I believe you'll see better
growth if they stay warmer. Mine do see mid- to upper 40's on rare occasion in the Fall when I'm trying to induce spiking, but I try to keep that above 50, too, as it's the day-night temperature difference that seems to be the key, rather than the absolute low. -- Ray Barkalow First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info! "Liam" wrote in message om... Thanks for sharing w/ us the cold temperature tolerance of Phals. I have been wondering about this for a long time. I was just curious would you say it would be safe for them in the 40-45 F zone or is that pushing it? Or how about 45-50F? "Vespaman" wrote in message ... i have an unheated/uncooled green house here in so cal my min /max thermometer thing tells me it is 42-44 at night and today the high inside me gh is 88-90 i have catts, ondonts, oncidium, epi's, blc's, brassavolla's, milt's, vanda's, den's and reed's and i have no damage although i do notice that i bloom a little latter in the season than most in a controlled greenhouse, but i also notice that some of my plants will bloom twice off of different leads instead of just once a year, i think it might be because of the hot temps in the gh i get more growth "jmho" i also take all my plants into the garage when the temps get below 40 i have lost alot of phal's at 38 so they stay in my office or in my house untill i stays at 50-55 all the time, i have lost too many of them to fool around and hope they make it oh and yes i have a sherry baby that puts up with the temps and seems to allways put out 2 leads at a time i also fert every time i water at 100% strength with 20-20-20after i see spikes and with 10-30-10 during growth and i flush with "clean tap water " once a month jim i dont grow by the book, but hey it seems to be working and when they dont grow i throw the book at them and then i dont grow those type any more "WNeptune" wrote in message ... I live in Canada & just started growing orchids in my unheated sunroom. The winter temperature dips to about 50 deg F. So far I have just started with some cool growers such as zygo's & cymbidiums. I have been reading with fascination about Sharry Baby and wonder if my environment can allow me to have one ... I run two temperatures in my greenhouse-warm and cool. For years I ran the cool house at 48F at night, and 55F in the day; for the past two years I have run the house at 45F and 55F, and have seen no difference for the plants in this house-Onc Sharry Baby is one of the onc in this house. |
Cold tolerance of Oncidium Sharry Baby
just my experiance that below 50 for extended periods of time and you can
lose your phals. when i mean extended i am talking about 3-5 days of below 50 night temps a day here or a day there below 50 i dont worry but if you get 3,4,5,6 days you can bet you will lose something. i have a very large ascd. that was out in the gh for a couple of weeks and it was getting down to 40 at night so i thought i should bring it in and sure enough about a week later it droped all of its leaves eccept 1 and the new growth.. whew!!!!!! it had gotten cold damage and it took a week or so for it to appear it had big thick leaves as long as your arm and i thought it would be more cold tolerant then some of my small phal's but i was wrong it just took a little longer for the damage to show so i lost 1 and saved one by the skin of my teeth this year remember Knowledge cost's......in this case it was the price of a nice phal. jim "Liam" wrote in message om... Thanks for sharing w/ us the cold temperature tolerance of Phals. I have been wondering about this for a long time. I was just curious would you say it would be safe for them in the 40-45 F zone or is that pushing it? Or how about 45-50F? "Vespaman" wrote in message ... i have an unheated/uncooled green house here in so cal my min /max thermometer thing tells me it is 42-44 at night and today the high inside me gh is 88-90 i have catts, ondonts, oncidium, epi's, blc's, brassavolla's, milt's, vanda's, den's and reed's and i have no damage although i do notice that i bloom a little latter in the season than most in a controlled greenhouse, but i also notice that some of my plants will bloom twice off of different leads instead of just once a year, i think it might be because of the hot temps in the gh i get more growth "jmho" i also take all my plants into the garage when the temps get below 40 i have lost alot of phal's at 38 so they stay in my office or in my house untill i stays at 50-55 all the time, i have lost too many of them to fool around and hope they make it oh and yes i have a sherry baby that puts up with the temps and seems to allways put out 2 leads at a time i also fert every time i water at 100% strength with 20-20-20after i see spikes and with 10-30-10 during growth and i flush with "clean tap water " once a month jim i dont grow by the book, but hey it seems to be working and when they dont grow i throw the book at them and then i dont grow those type any more "WNeptune" wrote in message ... I live in Canada & just started growing orchids in my unheated sunroom. The winter temperature dips to about 50 deg F. So far I have just started with some cool growers such as zygo's & cymbidiums. I have been reading with fascination about Sharry Baby and wonder if my environment can allow me to have one ... I run two temperatures in my greenhouse-warm and cool. For years I ran the cool house at 48F at night, and 55F in the day; for the past two years I have run the house at 45F and 55F, and have seen no difference for the plants in this house-Onc Sharry Baby is one of the onc in this house. |
Cold tolerance of Oncidium Sharry Baby
X-No-archive: yes
thanks Ray and thanks Vespaman. And I am sorry to hear of your sad experience w the vanda Vespaman. From your observations what's the length of time do you think Phals can bear in the low 50's then. Would you say anywhere from 2 to 3 months of exposure for it be okay. I want to see i can keep them outdoor for an extra 2 months longer. I have enclosed a temp chart below in my area to see what you think of it. Jan Feb Mar Apr May June July Aug Sept Oct Nov Dec High Temperature ( F ) 67 68 68 71 73 77 83 84 82 78 72 67 Low Temperature ( F ) 45 47 49 52 56 60 63 65 63 58 50 45 "Vespaman" wrote in message ... just my experiance that below 50 for extended periods of time and you can lose your phals. when i mean extended i am talking about 3-5 days of below 50 night temps a day here or a day there below 50 i dont worry but if you get 3,4,5,6 days you can bet you will lose something. i have a very large ascd. that was out in the gh for a couple of weeks and it was getting down to 40 at night so i thought i should bring it in and sure enough about a week later it droped all of its leaves eccept 1 and the new growth.. whew!!!!!! it had gotten cold damage and it took a week or so for it to appear it had big thick leaves as long as your arm and i thought it would be more cold tolerant then some of my small phal's but i was wrong it just took a little longer for the damage to show so i lost 1 and saved one by the skin of my teeth this year remember Knowledge cost's......in this case it was the price of a nice phal. jim "Liam" wrote in message om... Thanks for sharing w/ us the cold temperature tolerance of Phals. I have been wondering about this for a long time. I was just curious would you say it would be safe for them in the 40-45 F zone or is that pushing it? Or how about 45-50F? "Vespaman" wrote in message ... i have an unheated/uncooled green house here in so cal my min /max thermometer thing tells me it is 42-44 at night and today the high inside me gh is 88-90 i have catts, ondonts, oncidium, epi's, blc's, brassavolla's, milt's, vanda's, den's and reed's and i have no damage although i do notice that i bloom a little latter in the season than most in a controlled greenhouse, but i also notice that some of my plants will bloom twice off of different leads instead of just once a year, i think it might be because of the hot temps in the gh i get more growth "jmho" i also take all my plants into the garage when the temps get below 40 i have lost alot of phal's at 38 so they stay in my office or in my house untill i stays at 50-55 all the time, i have lost too many of them to fool around and hope they make it oh and yes i have a sherry baby that puts up with the temps and seems to allways put out 2 leads at a time i also fert every time i water at 100% strength with 20-20-20after i see spikes and with 10-30-10 during growth and i flush with "clean tap water " once a month jim i dont grow by the book, but hey it seems to be working and when they dont grow i throw the book at them and then i dont grow those type any more "WNeptune" wrote in message ... I live in Canada & just started growing orchids in my unheated sunroom. The winter temperature dips to about 50 deg F. So far I have just started with some cool growers such as zygo's & cymbidiums. I have been reading with fascination about Sharry Baby and wonder if my environment can allow me to have one ... I run two temperatures in my greenhouse-warm and cool. For years I ran the cool house at 48F at night, and 55F in the day; for the past two years I have run the house at 45F and 55F, and have seen no difference for the plants in this house-Onc Sharry Baby is one of the onc in this house. |
Cold tolerance of Oncidium Sharry Baby
may thru oct looks good to me
"Liam" wrote in message om... X-No-archive: yes thanks Ray and thanks Vespaman. And I am sorry to hear of your sad experience w the vanda Vespaman. From your observations what's the length of time do you think Phals can bear in the low 50's then. Would you say anywhere from 2 to 3 months of exposure for it be okay. I want to see i can keep them outdoor for an extra 2 months longer. I have enclosed a temp chart below in my area to see what you think of it. Jan Feb Mar Apr May June July Aug Sept Oct Nov Dec High Temperature ( F ) 67 68 68 71 73 77 83 84 82 78 72 67 Low Temperature ( F ) 45 47 49 52 56 60 63 65 63 58 50 45 "Vespaman" wrote in message ... just my experiance that below 50 for extended periods of time and you can lose your phals. when i mean extended i am talking about 3-5 days of below 50 night temps a day here or a day there below 50 i dont worry but if you get 3,4,5,6 days you can bet you will lose something. i have a very large ascd. that was out in the gh for a couple of weeks and it was getting down to 40 at night so i thought i should bring it in and sure enough about a week later it droped all of its leaves eccept 1 and the new growth.. whew!!!!!! it had gotten cold damage and it took a week or so for it to appear it had big thick leaves as long as your arm and i thought it would be more cold tolerant then some of my small phal's but i was wrong it just took a little longer for the damage to show so i lost 1 and saved one by the skin of my teeth this year remember Knowledge cost's......in this case it was the price of a nice phal. jim "Liam" wrote in message om... Thanks for sharing w/ us the cold temperature tolerance of Phals. I have been wondering about this for a long time. I was just curious would you say it would be safe for them in the 40-45 F zone or is that pushing it? Or how about 45-50F? "Vespaman" wrote in message ... i have an unheated/uncooled green house here in so cal my min /max thermometer thing tells me it is 42-44 at night and today the high inside me gh is 88-90 i have catts, ondonts, oncidium, epi's, blc's, brassavolla's, milt's, vanda's, den's and reed's and i have no damage although i do notice that i bloom a little latter in the season than most in a controlled greenhouse, but i also notice that some of my plants will bloom twice off of different leads instead of just once a year, i think it might be because of the hot temps in the gh i get more growth "jmho" i also take all my plants into the garage when the temps get below 40 i have lost alot of phal's at 38 so they stay in my office or in my house untill i stays at 50-55 all the time, i have lost too many of them to fool around and hope they make it oh and yes i have a sherry baby that puts up with the temps and seems to allways put out 2 leads at a time i also fert every time i water at 100% strength with 20-20-20after i see spikes and with 10-30-10 during growth and i flush with "clean tap water " once a month jim i dont grow by the book, but hey it seems to be working and when they dont grow i throw the book at them and then i dont grow those type any more "WNeptune" wrote in message ... I live in Canada & just started growing orchids in my unheated sunroom. The winter temperature dips to about 50 deg F. So far I have just started with some cool growers such as zygo's & cymbidiums. I have been reading with fascination about Sharry Baby and wonder if my environment can allow me to have one ... I run two temperatures in my greenhouse-warm and cool. For years I ran the cool house at 48F at night, and 55F in the day; for the past two years I have run the house at 45F and 55F, and have seen no difference for the plants in this house-Onc Sharry Baby is one of the onc in this house. |
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