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[email protected] 17-08-2005 07:20 AM

why some wood cracks while drying
 
For a long time I was puzzled why woods from elm, mulberry, hackberry
were not used as much even though in plentiful supply. And with my
recent experience of using timber beams of hardwoods I think I may have
answered that question. For I find that drying these timbers some of
the crack horribly. Perhaps it is my method of drying them, perhaps
exposed too much to the sun.

Is there a science study of how wood beams dry and avoid cracking. Some
of the mulberry and elm have fissures in the beams so big that I can
stick my hand into the fissure crack.

So is this cracking due to my novice drying or is it because some wood
cracks badly in drying and that is why they are seldom used in the
commercial industry. Or does industry glue up the cracks of timbers and
I just never noticed.

So anyone have information as to wood drying and avoiding huge cracks.

Archimedes Plutonium
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whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies


P van Rijckevorsel 17-08-2005 07:42 AM

schreef
Perhaps it is my method of drying them

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Yes, it is
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Is there a science study of how wood beams dry and avoid cracking.


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Yes, there is.
PvR



jbuch 17-08-2005 12:37 PM

wrote:
For a long time I was puzzled why woods from elm, mulberry, hackberry
were not used as much even though in plentiful supply. And with my
recent experience of using timber beams of hardwoods I think I may have
answered that question. For I find that drying these timbers some of
the crack horribly. Perhaps it is my method of drying them, perhaps
exposed too much to the sun.

Is there a science study of how wood beams dry and avoid cracking. Some
of the mulberry and elm have fissures in the beams so big that I can
stick my hand into the fissure crack.

So is this cracking due to my novice drying or is it because some wood
cracks badly in drying and that is why they are seldom used in the
commercial industry. Or does industry glue up the cracks of timbers and
I just never noticed.

So anyone have information as to wood drying and avoiding huge cracks.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies



Yes, there is a technology and art of wood drying.

Google

Wood contains two types of water. Free water which will flow from a recently felled wood if it is squeezed in a vice. Bound water which is contained within the cell walls. It is the second of these, bound water, that gives us the headache of drying wood.
The problem is that wood gives up the bound water from its end and side grain at different rates. Also wood will lose water from the surface the surface at a faster rate than from its core. The result - splits in the ends and sides. It is possible to try and compensate by painting the end of logs so that water lose is slowed down. However, this will not prevent wood splitting. It is also advisable to leaf freshly felled timber for a number of months and let it lose some of its water naturally, before sawing in planks of 100mm (4 inches) or less.


Uncle Al 17-08-2005 04:31 PM

wrote:
[snip]
So is this cracking due to my novice drying or is it because some wood
cracks badly in drying and that is why they are seldom used in the
commercial industry. Or does industry glue up the cracks of timbers and
I just never noticed.

[snip]

Cracks for the crackpot,

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Michael Gray 17-08-2005 11:10 PM

On 16 Aug 2005 23:20:16 -0700, wrote:

For a long time I was puzzled why woods from elm, mulberry, hackberry
were not used as much even though in plentiful supply. And with my
recent experience of using timber beams of hardwoods I think I may have
answered that question. For I find that drying these timbers some of
the crack horribly. Perhaps it is my method of drying them, perhaps
exposed too much to the sun.

Is there a science study of how wood beams dry and avoid cracking. Some
of the mulberry and elm have fissures in the beams so big that I can
stick my hand into the fissure crack.

So is this cracking due to my novice drying or is it because some wood
cracks badly in drying and that is why they are seldom used in the
commercial industry. Or does industry glue up the cracks of timbers and
I just never noticed.

So anyone have information as to wood drying and avoiding huge cracks.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies


Your best bet is to consult with an old-time wood-turner, or failing
that, a cabinet maker.

[email protected] 18-08-2005 07:58 AM



Google

Wood contains two types of water. Free water which will flow from a recently felled wood if it is squeezed in a vice. Bound water which is contained within the cell walls. It is the second of these, bound water, that gives us the headache of drying wood.
The problem is that wood gives up the bound water from its end and side grain at different rates. Also wood will lose water from the surface the surface at a faster rate than from its core. The result - splits in the ends and sides. It is possible to try and compensate by painting the end of logs so that water lose is slowed down. However, this will not prevent wood splitting. It is also advisable to leaf freshly felled timber for a number of months and let it lose some of its water naturally, before sawing in planks of 100mm (4 inches) or less.


Yes thanks. I have about 30 logs of 12' long and varying diameter of
0.5 to 1'. I chainsawed the bark off from about half of the green cut
logs and those are the ones with the worst cracks. One of the logs is a
piece of old dead elm which had no bark on it and it has no cracks.
About half of the logs still have the bark on them and have no visible
cracks, at least I cannot discern cracks under the bark.
So I am guessing that on all fresh cut logs, to leave the bark on. And
perhaps if I come across a very great straight log of a hardwood that I
leave the bark on and further, I wrap plastic on bark so the water
escapes more slowly.

Another factor is that I have them in full sun, which I should have
them in shade.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies


[email protected] 23-08-2005 09:14 AM

Apply some ethylene glycol to the wood, especially the ends and knots.
About three applications a week apart should suffice. This will act as
a humectant, keeping the wood from drying too fast. Used antifreeze is
a cheap, available source. Once you have done so, the only coating that
will work is a polyurethane. Steel fasteners will rust more easily in
wood so treated, so use zinc-coated, stainless steel or brass
fasteners.-Jitney



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