I need help identifying plants for my school assignment. If you know
what these are, or can guide me in the right direction, I'd appreciate
it.

http://s62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...hais01/Plants/

I have my pictures here. If you are logged into Photobucket, you
should be able to see the images.

-Matt

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I need help identifying plants for my school assignment. If you know
what these are, or can guide me in the right direction, I'd appreciate
it.

http://s62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...hais01/Plants/

I have my pictures here. If you are logged into Photobucket, you
should be able to see the images.

-Matt


I cannot log in, so cannot view he images.

Peter

I cannot log in, so cannot view he images.

Peter
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Sorry! Here are new links:

http://www.box.net/shared/nc8vfa8m0m
&
http://www.box.net/shared/kp95fcbd0x


I live in North Texas, if that helps. I'm doing a Plot Project, and my
teacher suggested to try for help online.

hello,
although from central europe I'll start


http://www.box.net/shared/nc8vfa8m0m
silphium laciniatum - prairie compass flower

http://www.box.net/shared/kp95fcbd0x
salvia pratensis - meadow clary

I live in North Texas, if that helps. I'm doing a Plot Project, and my
teacher suggested to try for help online.
what does that mean, "plot project", is that something like a herbarium?
cheers kauhl
Lake Constance

Do not know Silphium, but see http://tinyurl.com/2xxgbv

Salvia pratensis possibly, but leaves not quite right. See:
http://tinyurl.com/2w3x2l Could it be a Verbascum?

Peter

"kauhl-meersburg" wrote in message
...
hello,
although from central europe I'll start


http://www.box.net/shared/nc8vfa8m0m
silphium laciniatum - prairie compass flower

http://www.box.net/shared/kp95fcbd0x
salvia pratensis - meadow clary

I live in North Texas, if that helps. I'm doing a Plot Project, and my
teacher suggested to try for help online.
what does that mean, "plot project", is that something like a herbarium?
cheers kauhl
Lake Constance

"Peter B" schreef:
http://www.box.net/shared/nc8vfa8m0m

FWIW it reminds me of Sonchus
PvR

"P. van Rijckevorsel" schreef
http://www.box.net/shared/nc8vfa8m0m

or this one
http://www.missouriplants.com/Yellow...iola_page.html
PvR

In message , P. van
Rijckevorsel writes
"P. van Rijckevorsel" schreef
http://www.box.net/shared/nc8vfa8m0m

or this one
http://www.missouriplants.com/Yellow...iola_page.html
PvR

I find Lactuceae a difficult group, especially when not in flower, but
both Sonchus oleraceus/asper*, what I've never completely convinced
myself is Sonchus arvensis and Lactuca seriola (= scariola) grow around
here and the original image looks more like Sonchus oleraceus than the
others. Anyway the spiny underside of the midrib is a good key character
for Lactuca seriola.

* I find some plants are obviously Sonchus oleraceus, some obviously
Sonchus asper, but many hard to place definitely in one species or the
other.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Peter B schrieb:
Do not know Silphium, but see http://tinyurl.com/2xxgbv

please excuse, I only googled for "compass", now I see in europe we call
another one this way:

lactuca scariola = lactuca serriola - prickly lettuce

Salvia pratensis possibly, but leaves not quite right. See:
http://tinyurl.com/2w3x2l Could it be a Verbascum?

maybe, but verbascum rather with all leaves oblongue and pointed -

what do you think of Teucrium scorodonia - wood sage?

that's all I can do for you, determining flowers by leaves still is a
big negligense on my part

describing leaf forms seems one of the hardest intellectual tasks,
mainly for lack of expressions

so please tell me what school you are visiting where the teacher wants
you to start at the most difficult end of botany

cheers kauhl

In message , kauhl-meersburg
writes
Salvia pratensis possibly, but leaves not quite right. See:
http://tinyurl.com/2w3x2l Could it be a Verbascum?

maybe, but verbascum rather with all leaves oblongue and pointed -

I don't think the habit's right for Verbascum. The typical Verbascum has
a basal rosette, and only sparsely, if at all, leafed stems.

what do you think of Teucrium scorodonia - wood sage?

It looks to me as if the plant has compound rather than simple leaves,
which would eliminate Teucrium (and Salvia). It reminds me of a potato
(but the habit's wrong again), whether or not that's significant. It
might be worth checking the various North American Solanums.

that's all I can do for you, determining flowers by leaves still is a
big negligense on my part

describing leaf forms seems one of the hardest intellectual tasks,
mainly for lack of expressions

so please tell me what school you are visiting where the teacher wants
you to start at the most difficult end of botany

--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

"kauhl-meersburg" schreef
what do you think of Teucrium scorodonia - wood sage?

***
Does not look like it at all to me, see
http://www.kuleuven-kortrijk.be/biow...=nl&detail=386

Also, I see no reason beforehand to assume it is an exotic (that is a
European plant). Surely, Texas has quite a large flora of its own.
PvR

Well, my two plants at first seem to be non-flowering. But then
again, I don't know. I do know that as of currently the plants are
green--not purple, as is the Salvia pratensis.

My assignment is this:
bAt the end of the project you will turn in:

a. your cumulative journal of observations;
b. graphs of soil, air and water (if applicable) temperatures
throughout the observation project;
c. identified specimens from your plot including

identification of all huggable trees
5-7 non-flowering plants (NOT trees)
5-7 flowering plants
5-7 insects, including spiders
5-7 animals (includes birds, mammals, amphibians, fish)

All specimens must be identified by both common and scientific name.
Plant specimens may be pressed or a close-up photograph. Insect
specimens may be preserved or in situ photographs. Animal specimens
may be in situ photographs, casts of tracks or feathers. Tapes of
bird calls may be used. Images from the Internet will not be
accepted.

If you have water on your plot, you may bring in a water sample, test
it and try to ID algae, protists and other organisms living in it./b

I'm studying a plot of land. I've sent in what I thought to be non-
flowering plants, but correct me if I'm wrong.

On 10 May 2007 16:02:27 -0700, wrote:

Well, my two plants at first seem to be non-flowering. But then
again, I don't know. I do know that as of currently the plants are
green--not purple, as is the Salvia pratensis.

My assignment is this:
bAt the end of the project you will turn in:

a. your cumulative journal of observations;
b. graphs of soil, air and water (if applicable) temperatures
throughout the observation project;
c. identified specimens from your plot including

identification of all huggable trees
5-7 non-flowering plants (NOT trees)
5-7 flowering plants
5-7 insects, including spiders
5-7 animals (includes birds, mammals, amphibians, fish)

All specimens must be identified by both common and scientific name.
Plant specimens may be pressed or a close-up photograph. Insect
specimens may be preserved or in situ photographs. Animal specimens
may be in situ photographs, casts of tracks or feathers. Tapes of
bird calls may be used. Images from the Internet will not be
accepted.

If you have water on your plot, you may bring in a water sample, test
it and try to ID algae, protists and other organisms living in it./b

I'm studying a plot of land. I've sent in what I thought to be non-
flowering plants, but correct me if I'm wrong.




Two meanings for non-flowering. One is plants that never flower,
ferns, mosses, and the like, the other meaning would be plants that
don't have flowers at the time you observed them. Do you know which
meaning is intended?

"Charles" schreef
Two meanings for non-flowering. One is plants that never flower,
ferns, mosses, and the like, the other meaning would be plants that
don't have flowers at the time you observed them. Do you know which
meaning is intended?

***
Your observation about "flowering" is correct, but your question is not. As
the phrase "non-flowering plants" is qualified by "(NOT trees)", it cannot
refer to mosses. A much better question here is after the meaning of
"plants" as used here.

Therefore, there are two possible keys to decipher this assignment:
I. the "(NOT trees)" qualifies the entire phrase and
"plants" = herbaceous plants, belonging to the angiosperms
"non-flowering" = in the vegetative state

II or alternatively in "non-flowering plants" it is only the latter word
that is qualified by the "(NOT trees)"
"plants" = herbaceous plants
"non-flowering" = not in flower, either in the vegetative state or a
non-angiosperm

It is likely that in judging the incoming results the teacher will tolerate
either interpretation and accept, say, a fern as non-flowering plant.
PvR

QUOTE: Two meanings for non-flowering. One is plants that never
flower,
ferns, mosses, and the like, the other meaning would be plants that
don't have flowers at the time you observed them. Do you know which
meaning is intended?

My teacher says those who do not have flowers at the observed time.
However, in this category, she has allowed us to include a few lichens/
mosses/mushrooms. Ferns are initially what was meant by non-flowering.

So...my answer is, both? Yes, both.