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Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
Hi:
I know I've brought this subject up before but I just can't get over it. I apologize profusely to those who might be annoyed. You may notice some changes though. I notice that many fruits [excluding apples & cantaloupes] emit foul odors when ripe. What chemicals are responsible for this? I've done as much research as I can on this but not gotten anywhere. This isn't a homework assignment. I am asking these questions out of personal interest. I hate those odors. That why I like to eat apricots, peaches, and similar fruits when they are sour, hard, and greenish. When sour, hard, and greenish, most fruits smell pleasant. When they are too ripe, they become excessively sweet, grossly-soft up and turn mucus yellow; this is when they start to stink. What causes those immeasurably-foul odors? It could not be putricine. Putricine smells like rotting flesh, which is also a foul odor but totally different from that of ripe fruits. To my nose, over-ripe fruits don't have a smell that even nearly resembles rotting flesh. Both are equally bad odors, though. Its also not ethylene - a chemical used to speed ripening. Ethylene has a sweet pleasant smell to it. I have smelled it myself in a lab. It's beautiful. Butyric acid smells like stinky cheese [including Swiss], smelly feet, sweaty shirts, dirty socks, neck-sweat, back sweat, filthy scalp and unwashed hair. So it definitely isn't butyric acid. In fact, since these foul odors occur after ripening [a process which uses up the acids]; I doubt that any acid or acidic substance is responsible for the foul odor of ripe fruits. I notice the stink especially in canned fruits. Most fresh fruits don't have as much of a strong stink even when ripe. However, canned fruits [often dripping in syrup] have an unbearable stench to me. Maybe it is something to do with the sugar? I don't know. I do know that it has nothing to do with the metals of the can or the effects of the metals on the fruit/syrup. Perhaps the ripe substances are more concentrated in the can, than when fresh. Why do canned ripe fruits stink more badly than fresh ripe fruits? Also, it can't be ethanol. I like the smell of ethanol. I've asked similar questions in science newsgroups, and they think I have an olfactory perception disorder causing me to perceive odors differently from other humans. I don't believe this at all. I've taken smell tests in my organic chemistry lab. I've takes organic chemistry as a course in my college. Long list of chemicals I've gone through. Still no answer to the stench of ripe fruits. In addition, none of the chemicals I sniffed even remotely smell like ripe fruit. My guess is the stink of ripe fruits is a result of a mixture of different organic substances, excluding both the following chemicals and their effects on other chemicals: 1. putricine [or any amines] 2. ethylene [sweet smell] 3. butyric acid [or any acid/acidic substance for that matter] 4. ethanol [sweet smell resembling most alcoholic beverages] 4. chemicals resulting from fungus 5. chemicals resulting from decomposition [including bacterial decay] 6. Hydrocarbons [compounds containing only Carbon and Hydrogen] 7. Alcohols [organic compounds with attached OH hydroxide molecule] 8. Chemicals that specifically result from -- or are affected by -- rancidity 9. Inorganic substances -- such as metals 10. Effects of inorganic substances on organic substances I have tried tiresomely searching on google but there are no websites that have an answer to my question. Also, I've noticed that most ripe fruits do not have to be rotten in order to give off the foul odors I sense. Simply being ripe causes the odor. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. If this is out of your expertise would you please give me an idea of who could answer my question? No offense but please respond with reasonable answers & keep out the jokes, off-topic nonsense, exaggerations, taunts, insults, and trivializations. I am really interested in this. I am 23 years old, free-of-brain-tumors, but have a neurological disability called Asperger's Syndrome. I would like to give you some information about my disability. The reason I am posting this message about Asperger's is to help avoid any potential misunderstandings [though it's probably too late]. I have been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome (AS). AS is a neurological condition that causes significant impairment in social interactions. People with AS see the world differently and this can often bring them in conflict with conventional ways of thinking. They have difficulty in reading body language, and interpreting subtle cues. In my situation, I have significant difficulty with natural conversation, reading social cues, and maintaining eye contact. This can lead to a great deal of misunderstanding about my intent or my behavior. For example, I may not always know what to say in social situations, so I may look away or may not say anything. I also may not always respond quickly when asked direct questions, but if given time I am able express my ideas. On Usenet, the text-equivalent of my disability is probably noticed. I do apologize profusely, for any inconvenience it causes. Thank you very much in advance for your understanding, cooperation, and assistance. Thanks, Radium |
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Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? --excluding apples and cantaloupes
Radium wrote:
I hate those odors. That why I like to eat apricots, peaches, and similar fruits when they are sour, hard, and greenish. When sour, hard, and greenish, most fruits smell pleasant. When they are too ripe, they become excessively sweet, grossly-soft up and turn mucus yellow; this is when they start to stink. What causes those immeasurably-foul odors? A couple possibilities you haven't considered are ethyl acetate and isoamyl acetate. |
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Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
On Jul 27, 7:47 pm, Mark Thorson wrote:
A couple possibilities you haven't considered are ethyl acetate and isoamyl acetate. http://www.osha.gov/dts/sltc/methods...42/pv2142.html According to the above link, isoamyl acetate smells like pears or bananas. Wrong chemical. http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguide...cognition.html According to the above link, ethyl acetate has a pleasant fruity odor. Again, wrong chemical. Neither ethyl acetate or isoamyl acetate are responsble for the ripe fruit odor. |
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Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
On Jul 27, 7:47 pm, Mark Thorson wrote:
Radium wrote: I hate those odors. That why I like to eat apricots, peaches, and similar fruits when they are sour, hard, and greenish. When sour, hard, and greenish, most fruits smell pleasant. When they are too ripe, they become excessively sweet, grossly-soft up and turn mucus yellow; this is when they start to stink. What causes those immeasurably-foul odors? A couple possibilities you haven't considered are ethyl acetate and isoamyl acetate. Oh and I have three additional chemicals to rule out: 1. Ammonia 2. Urea 3. Sulfides and other sulfur-containing compounds |
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Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? --excluding apples and cantaloupes
Radium wrote:
http://www.osha.gov/dts/sltc/methods...42/pv2142.html According to the above link, isoamyl acetate smells like pears or bananas. Wrong chemical. http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguide...cognition.html According to the above link, ethyl acetate has a pleasant fruity odor. Again, wrong chemical. Neither ethyl acetate or isoamyl acetate are responsble for the ripe fruit odor. The OSHA descriptions are how they smell to the rest of us. Not necessarily you. You'll need to smell them yourself to determine if they match with what is bothering you. Pineapple has a lot of ethyl acetate. Bananas have a lot of isoamyl acetate. |
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Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
In article .com,
Radium wrote: Hi: I know I've brought this subject up before but I just can't get over it. I apologize profusely to those who might be annoyed. You may notice some changes though. I notice that many fruits [excluding apples & cantaloupes] emit foul odors when ripe. What chemicals are responsible for this? I've done as much research as I can on this but not gotten anywhere. This isn't a homework assignment. I am asking these questions out of personal interest. I hate those odors. That why I like to eat apricots, peaches, and similar fruits when they are sour, hard, and greenish. When sour, hard, and greenish, most fruits smell pleasant. When they are too ripe, they become excessively sweet, grossly-soft up and turn mucus yellow; this is when they start to stink. What causes those immeasurably-foul odors? It could not be putricine. Putricine smells like rotting flesh, which is also a foul odor but totally different from that of ripe fruits. To my nose, over-ripe fruits don't have a smell that even nearly resembles rotting flesh. Both are equally bad odors, though. Its also not ethylene - a chemical used to speed ripening. Ethylene has a sweet pleasant smell to it. I have smelled it myself in a lab. It's beautiful. Butyric acid smells like stinky cheese [including Swiss], smelly feet, sweaty shirts, dirty socks, neck-sweat, back sweat, filthy scalp and unwashed hair. So it definitely isn't butyric acid. In fact, since these foul odors occur after ripening [a process which uses up the acids]; I doubt that any acid or acidic substance is responsible for the foul odor of ripe fruits. I notice the stink especially in canned fruits. Most fresh fruits don't have as much of a strong stink even when ripe. However, canned fruits [often dripping in syrup] have an unbearable stench to me. Maybe it is something to do with the sugar? I don't know. I do know that it has nothing to do with the metals of the can or the effects of the metals on the fruit/syrup. Perhaps the ripe substances are more concentrated in the can, than when fresh. Why do canned ripe fruits stink more badly than fresh ripe fruits? Also, it can't be ethanol. I like the smell of ethanol. I've asked similar questions in science newsgroups, and they think I have an olfactory perception disorder causing me to perceive odors differently from other humans. I don't believe this at all. I've taken smell tests in my organic chemistry lab. I've takes organic chemistry as a course in my college. Long list of chemicals I've gone through. Still no answer to the stench of ripe fruits. In addition, none of the chemicals I sniffed even remotely smell like ripe fruit. My guess is the stink of ripe fruits is a result of a mixture of different organic substances, excluding both the following chemicals and their effects on other chemicals: 1. putricine [or any amines] 2. ethylene [sweet smell] 3. butyric acid [or any acid/acidic substance for that matter] 4. ethanol [sweet smell resembling most alcoholic beverages] 4. chemicals resulting from fungus 5. chemicals resulting from decomposition [including bacterial decay] 6. Hydrocarbons [compounds containing only Carbon and Hydrogen] 7. Alcohols [organic compounds with attached OH hydroxide molecule] 8. Chemicals that specifically result from -- or are affected by -- rancidity 9. Inorganic substances -- such as metals 10. Effects of inorganic substances on organic substances I have tried tiresomely searching on google but there are no websites that have an answer to my question. Also, I've noticed that most ripe fruits do not have to be rotten in order to give off the foul odors I sense. Simply being ripe causes the odor. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. If this is out of your expertise would you please give me an idea of who could answer my question? No offense but please respond with reasonable answers & keep out the jokes, off-topic nonsense, exaggerations, taunts, insults, and trivializations. I am really interested in this. I am 23 years old, free-of-brain-tumors, but have a neurological disability called Asperger's Syndrome. I would like to give you some information about my disability. The reason I am posting this message about Asperger's is to help avoid any potential misunderstandings [though it's probably too late]. I have been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome (AS). AS is a neurological condition that causes significant impairment in social interactions. People with AS see the world differently and this can often bring them in conflict with conventional ways of thinking. They have difficulty in reading body language, and interpreting subtle cues. In my situation, I have significant difficulty with natural conversation, reading social cues, and maintaining eye contact. This can lead to a great deal of misunderstanding about my intent or my behavior. For example, I may not always know what to say in social situations, so I may look away or may not say anything. I also may not always respond quickly when asked direct questions, but if given time I am able express my ideas. On Usenet, the text-equivalent of my disability is probably noticed. I do apologize profusely, for any inconvenience it causes. Thank you very much in advance for your understanding, cooperation, and assistance. Thanks, Radium Wow. Is it that time of year again? For one who is socially impaired you seem to be very, very lucid. You have posted this request at least twice before and most responders have told you that you were mistaken (to put the best possible face on it). Hopefully, this time you will get the drift, that the rest of us don't notice, what you seem to notice. Either accept your uniqueness or buzz off. Sorry for my abruptness, but the question could have been stated less dramatically and you could have accepted previous responses. You must have personal friends of whom you could pose this question or have you burned them out as well? What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? -- Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
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Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
Radium writes:
Hi: I know I've brought this subject up before but I just can't get over it. I apologize profusely to those who might be annoyed. You may notice some changes though. One change I notice that _didn't_ happen is not writing this: What causes those immeasurably-foul odors [of ripe fruit]? The last half dozen times you asked this, you were told, ripe fruits don't have an "immeasurably-foul odor" to most people. Most people find them very pleasant smelling. I'll go as far as to say that you are probably the only person in the world who finds ripe fruit to have an "immeasurably-foul odor". You were also told that, since nobody here has your nose or brain other than yourself, you're going to have to sample organic chemicals that are components of fruity odors, such as ethyl acetate to find out which chemical that smells pleasant to everyone else has this "immeasurably-foul odor". Nobody else can answer this but yourself. You can skip such craziness as putricine or whatever. Fruits contain chemicals that smell good to everyone other than yourself. |
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Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
On Jul 28, 8:21 am, (Michael Moroney)
wrote: Radium writes: Hi: I know I've brought this subject up before but I just can't get over it. I apologize profusely to those who might be annoyed. You may notice some changes though. One change I notice that _didn't_ happen is not writing this: What causes those immeasurably-foul odors [of ripe fruit]? The last half dozen times you asked this, you were told, ripe fruits don't have an "immeasurably-foul odor" to most people. Most people find them very pleasant smelling. I'll go as far as to say that you are probably the only person in the world who finds ripe fruit to have an "immeasurably-foul odor". You were also told that, since nobody here has your nose or brain other than yourself, you're going to have to sample organic chemicals that are components of fruity odors, such as ethyl acetate to find out which chemical that smells pleasant to everyone else has this "immeasurably-foul odor". Nobody else can answer this but yourself. You can skip such craziness as putricine or whatever. Fruits contain chemicals that smell good to everyone other than yourself. I've used many of those fruit-flavored air-fresheners. They smell like paradise. Bananas, mangoes, peaches, strawberry, etc. All those air- fresheners with fruity-fragrance are just wonderful. This further increases my confusion and frustration over why ripe *actual* fruits [excluding apples, pears, honeydew, and canteloupes] stink so badly -- especially when canned. |
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Billy Rose wrote:
What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? |
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Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? Good call, half credit. No. A psychopath. The President is a sociopath. -- FB - FFF Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
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Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? --excluding apples and cantaloupes
On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:11:47 -0700, Billy Rose wrote:
In article , Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? Good call, half credit. No. A psychopath. The President is a sociopath. But would he make good mulch? |
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Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? LOLOL!!! -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
In article
, Billy Rose wrote: In article , Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? Good call, half credit. No. A psychopath. The President is a sociopath. I dunno about that... Mass murderers are generally considered Psychopaths. Think Hitler. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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jellybean stonerfish wrote: On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:11:47 -0700, Billy Rose wrote: In article , Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? Good call, half credit. No. A psychopath. The President is a sociopath. But would he make good mulch? Compost. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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In article ,
Omelet wrote: In article , Billy Rose wrote: In article , Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? Good call, half credit. No. A psychopath. The President is a sociopath. I dunno about that... Mass murderers are generally considered Psychopaths. Think Hitler. Antisocial personality disorder (APD) is a psychiatric condition characterized by an individual's common disregard for social rules, norms, and cultural codes, as well as impulsive behavior, and indifference to the rights and feelings of others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisoc...ality_disorder -- FB - FFF Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
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