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pine pollen cones similar to apple-cedar rust ; new book: Cancers ofa species as a major source of "new microbes into the world"
I am going to have to dig up my old posts of the theme--- cancers
of a specific species can transform into disease vectors of new microbes. What I am seeing today in my landscaping is after a heavy rain downpour, that of the apple cedar rust with its orange color on the cedar trees and next to them are Austrian pine with their **pollen cones** which from a distance looks exactly similar to the apple cedar rust. So here is my conjecture, which maybe true or false. I conjecture that if a genome were done on the Austrian pine and a genome done on the apple-cedar rust that the implications are that the apple cedar rust is a product of some long time ago cancer on a pine tree pollen cone. That this cancer of a ancient pine tree would come to develop into the apple cedar rust. That is a conjecture I propose, that the genome of the pine tree is so similar to the apple cedar rust genome that one can trace back to where the apple cedar rust was created on some ancient pine tree due to a cancer. The theory I have on this subject is that many, perhaps a majority of diseases from microbes, including viruses are due to a cancer in a species for which the cancer mutated and became a "new microbe" or a "new species of microbe". Today we see new microbes such as bird flu and HIV. My new theory would say that in the case of these two diseases, if traced back far enough, it is likely or probable that a cancer of a species was the origin of that disease of bird-flu or HIV. The idea of this theory or theme is that many if not most microbes that cause diseases had their origins as a cancer of a specific species. So, is there an expert on apple-cedar rust, and has the genome of it been deciphered? And has the genome of pine been diciphered? and has the genome of apple and cedar been deciphered? Have all four been deciphered? Thence, tell me if the Rust is more related to the pine genome? Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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#20 flagella to viral syringe pine pollen cones similar to
Sean Houtman wrote: wrote in news:598df564-c5bc-4d2b-9560- : The theory I have on this subject is that many, perhaps a majority of diseases from microbes, including viruses are due to a cancer in a species for which the cancer mutated and became a "new microbe" or a "new species of microbe". Today we see new microbes such as bird flu and HIV. My new theory would say that in the case of these two diseases, if traced back far enough, it is likely or probable that a cancer of a species was the origin of that disease of bird-flu or HIV. Viruses tend to have very small genomes, perhaps 5-20 genes, plants and animals have much larger genomes, on the order of hundreds of thousands or more. Many viruses don't have DNA, they use RNA instead. RNA viruses couldn't be descended from a DNA organism through mutation. Some viruses have circular DNA like bacteria, some don't. It is difficult to speculate on how viruses may have come into existence. Well that is the counterarguement Sean, that you make. And I make the opposite arguement, that is it possible for a cancerous cell to morph into a disease bearing single cell organism which then morphs into a viral particle. It is possible and as long as there is such a pathway then there probably are diseases which have flowed from this pathway. Up until now, I just have not found the clear example of a organism that has followed this pathway. The flagella of bacteria eventually turned into the syringe apparatus of some viruses. Some may argue that the viral syringe came first and created the flagella, but I would argue that a cancerous bacteria with flagella came first and then morphed into a syringe which eventually some viral syringe. So it does not matter so much that viruses have less genes. The arguement I am making is that the cancer cell is species specific in that it is ready to attack any member of that species should that cancer cell find itself able to "live off the species as a host". And that is the main feature of viruses and bacteria that live off of a species host. So that implies that the disease particle was at one time a normal cell of the species and through some pathway ended up as a disease particle of the species. The likely pathway involves a normal cell going cancerous. So what I am saying, Sean, is that many disease particles today, both viral and bacterial had their origins as a normal cell of a species that went cancerous. Now how they eventually turned from cancerous to viral particles is unknown to me, but there is a pathway there which needs to be explored. The idea of this theory or theme is that many if not most microbes that cause diseases had their origins as a cancer of a specific species. So, is there an expert on apple-cedar rust, and has the genome of it been deciphered? And has the genome of pine been diciphered? and has the genome of apple and cedar been deciphered? Have all four been deciphered? Thence, tell me if the Rust is more related to the pine genome? Rusts and other fungi aren't closely related to plants. Fungi don't have plastids. There are also differences in the way that spindles form during meiosis, and very large differences in how they reproduce. Most likely the reason that the Cedar Apple rust on your cedar trees resembles the pine cones, is that the rust is manipulating the hormones that the cedar uses. If the hormones are produced properly, it might cause a plant to grow a reproductive-like structure where there shouldn't be one. Since the cedar is relatively closely related to the pine, it can be made to grow a cone, which is the natural reproductive structure of the cedar anyway. Add the rust organism, and the cone may closely resemble a pine pollen cone. Sean Well when I started this theory in the 1990s that cancers can evolve into disease particles of viral or bacterial diseases, I was working on Prion disease which turns out to be more of a chemical contaminant disease than anything dealing with living particles. What I need is a clearcut example of a species with normal cells and with a disease of that species for which it can be traced back that the disease particle resembles in high degree some normal cells that were turned cancerous and for which the cancer cells are in the same chemical pathway as the disease particle. The viruses with syringes are perhaps 1/2 billion years old and so we may never be able to pinpoint such a pathway of a cancerous flagella cell. But the HIV virus, allegedly traced back to monkeys in Africa, is possible that the monkeys had a cancerous cells from which the creation of HIV all started from. What I am saying is that most disease particles are species specific and only through time do they "jump across species", which indicates that the disease particle had its birth within that species. And a likely candidate would be cancer cells. P.S. I decided to write this book, even though I have no clearcut data to plunge into. What I need is a clearcut example of a disease particle that can be traced back to a cancer of a species cells. The general idea of this book is that most viruses, not all of them but most have their origins as a cancer cell of a species. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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#2001 flagella to viral syringe pine pollen cones similar to
Note: I numbered this post of this book as #2001 because I have to
combine another book I started some years back on this same subject. The idea can be put into an equation (Cancer can = birthsite of a Virus). So in the combining of these books into one book I keep the numbering loose. Reviewing some of my old posts of around 1996, where I filed a patent application on Cancer = protein viral missile. Apparently I tried starting a book on this topic under the title: Newsgroups: sci.med, soc.history, sci.bio.technology From: a_plutonium Date: 31 May 2007 09:47:41 -0700 Local: Thurs, May 31 2007 11:47 am Subject: #9 new monograph book: "BIOLOGY CONCEPT OF EXTENDED-GENOME AND HOW VIRUSES WERE CREATED" In the 1990s I had the concept of Viruses are begot or created by the transformation of Cancer cells. This is 2009, and I want to pick up on that old concept that it is easy to transform a cancer cell into a new disease viral particle. And the way to proves this is going to be a very tough research sale, because it involves creating a new virus from scratch from a cancer cell. A man- made new virus from a existing cancer cell. But were there any viruses created naturally from cancer cells in the past, before we had the technological abilities to do so ourselves? I suspect the HIV virus of AIDS was a cancer cell in monkeys which eventually jumped into Homo sapiens. I suspect most of the "flu viruses" started from a lung cancer cell in ancient times. I could title this book Virus Creation = Cancer Cell One piece of evidence in favor of this hypothesis is the fact that most plants never have cancer but that cancer seems confined to animals. And that is because animals need alot of protein for mobility. Proteins are stressed parts of animal bodies and have a high tendency to break apart. The breaking apart occurs in cells and when it happens a cancer is borne. Once the cancer is borne the parts of that cancerous cell may end up lying dormant once the animal dies or is eaten by another animal. So that cancer cell or part of the cancer cell has now been transformed into a viral particle. The evidence in support of the above Hypothesis is the species specifity of most viruses. And the specificity is intense for "new viruses". Some cat viruses affect only cat species and they are relatively recent and new in history and the virus is unknown in all other species. This lends support to the idea that a cancer in cats was the birth site of that viral particle. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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