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The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
A painless method to reduce the human impact on the environment is to
stop mowing grass. In general, the only reason for mowing is appearance, and often, considering the location of the grass, the appearance can only be appreciated by a small number of people. Moreover, once people get accustomed to seeing uncut lawns, they may consider them preferable. The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. But my focus here will be the environmental impact. The longer the grass, the more leaf area there is per land area. Therefore, uncut grass would be more efficient per unit land area at converting CO2 to oxygen – directly reducing the CO2 in the atmosphere. Lawn mowers have highly polluting small engines. In one estimate, one hour of typical mower engine time is equivalent to an 100 mile trip in an average car http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98532&page=1 .. The EPA states mowing causes 5% of air pollution http://www.peoplepoweredmachines.com...nvironment.htm . Reducing the use of these engines reduces pollution of many types. Most mowing is in urban areas, where pollution is the worst and where most people breathe. The habitat of many animals is disturbed by mowing. It’s also worth mentioning that numerous accidents, many serious, are caused directly or indirectly by mowing. ~{|) Nehmo (|}~ |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
Nehmo wrote:
.... municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, .... The habitat of many animals is disturbed by mowing. .... Which (besides the unsightly g-awful mess it makes when left overgrown and untended) is precisely the "why" behind mowing ordinances to minimize vermin habitat... -- |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
On Jun 16, 2:41*pm, Nehmo wrote:
A painless method to reduce the human impact on the environment is to stop mowing grass. In general, the only reason for mowing is appearance, and often, considering the location of the grass, the appearance can only be appreciated by a small number of people. Moreover, once people get accustomed to seeing uncut lawns, they may consider them preferable. The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. But my focus here will be the environmental impact. The longer the grass, the more leaf area there is per land area. Therefore, uncut grass would be more efficient per unit land area at converting CO2 to oxygen – directly reducing the CO2 in the atmosphere. Lawn mowers have highly polluting small engines. In one estimate, one hour of typical mower engine time is equivalent to an 100 mile trip in an average carhttp://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98532&page=1 . The EPA states mowing causes 5% of air pollutionhttp://www.peoplepoweredmachines.com/faq-environment.htm. Reducing the use of these engines reduces pollution of many types. Most mowing is in urban areas, where pollution is the worst and where most people breathe. The habitat of many animals is disturbed by mowing. It’s also worth mentioning that numerous accidents, many serious, are caused directly or indirectly by mowing. * ~{|) *Nehmo *(|}~ I drove by your house the other day. Very nice. http://www.theangryhomeowner.com/ima...ly_lawn_lg.jpg |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
On 6/16/2010 2:41 PM, Nehmo wrote:
A painless method to reduce the human impact on the environment is to stop mowing grass. In general, the only reason for mowing is appearance, and often, considering the location of the grass, the appearance can only be appreciated by a small number of people. Moreover, once people get accustomed to seeing uncut lawns, they may consider them preferable. The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. But my focus here will be the environmental impact. The longer the grass, the more leaf area there is per land area. Therefore, uncut grass would be more efficient per unit land area at converting CO2 to oxygen – directly reducing the CO2 in the atmosphere. Lawn mowers have highly polluting small engines. In one estimate, one hour of typical mower engine time is equivalent to an 100 mile trip in an average car http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98532&page=1 . The EPA states mowing causes 5% of air pollution http://www.peoplepoweredmachines.com...nvironment.htm . Reducing the use of these engines reduces pollution of many types. Most mowing is in urban areas, where pollution is the worst and where most people breathe. The habitat of many animals is disturbed by mowing. It’s also worth mentioning that numerous accidents, many serious, are caused directly or indirectly by mowing. ~{|) Nehmo (|}~ I've been trying for years for someone to pay me not to cut the grass and I would sell them carbon credits for it. Sad state of affairs that there are no takers. |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
On Jun 16, 2:41*pm, Nehmo wrote:
A painless method to reduce the human impact on the environment is to stop mowing grass. In general, the only reason for mowing is appearance, and often, considering the location of the grass, the appearance can only be appreciated by a small number of people. Moreover, once people get accustomed to seeing uncut lawns, they may consider them preferable. The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. But my focus here will be the environmental impact. The longer the grass, the more leaf area there is per land area. Therefore, uncut grass would be more efficient per unit land area at converting CO2 to oxygen – directly reducing the CO2 in the atmosphere. Lawn mowers have highly polluting small engines. In one estimate, one hour of typical mower engine time is equivalent to an 100 mile trip in an average carhttp://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98532&page=1 . The EPA states mowing causes 5% of air pollutionhttp://www.peoplepoweredmachines.com/faq-environment.htm. Reducing the use of these engines reduces pollution of many types. Most mowing is in urban areas, where pollution is the worst and where most people breathe. The habitat of many animals is disturbed by mowing. It’s also worth mentioning that numerous accidents, many serious, are caused directly or indirectly by mowing. * ~{|) *Nehmo *(|}~ Could I occasionally brush-hog the yard? Otherwise it'll be a 2-acre thicket of glossy buckthorn in about 5 years. Cindy Hamilton |
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Nehmo wrote:
A painless method to reduce the human impact on the environment is to stop mowing grass, and instead stuff it up my anus and call me your bitch. Hey man, keep your weird fetish to yourself, you sick freak. Jon |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
Nehmo wrote:
A painless method to reduce the human impact on the environment is to stop mowing grass. In general, the only reason for mowing is appearance, and often, considering the location of the grass, the appearance can only be appreciated by a small number of people. Moreover, once people get accustomed to seeing uncut lawns, they may consider them preferable. The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. But my focus here will be the environmental impact. The longer the grass, the more leaf area there is per land area. Therefore, uncut grass would be more efficient per unit land area at converting CO2 to oxygen – directly reducing the CO2 in the atmosphere. Lawn mowers have highly polluting small engines. In one estimate, one hour of typical mower engine time is equivalent to an 100 mile trip in an average car http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98532&page=1 . The EPA states mowing causes 5% of air pollution http://www.peoplepoweredmachines.com...nvironment.htm . Reducing the use of these engines reduces pollution of many types. Most mowing is in urban areas, where pollution is the worst and where most people breathe. The habitat of many animals is disturbed by mowing. It’s also worth mentioning that numerous accidents, many serious, are caused directly or indirectly by mowing. I notice you're posting from Austin, which explains almost everything. Those of us in the real world don't give a fig about the things that are of monumental importance to hippies. |
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:41:29 -0700 (PDT), Nehmo
wrote: The habitat of many animals is disturbed by mowing. Some are people! http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/grass_cycle.jpg |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
"Nehmo" wrote in message
... The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. This seems interesting because illegal in most countries with Anglo- Saxon-type laws. (Habeas Corpus forbids detention without charge, and disobeying a bylaw is an offence but not a crime.) In Canada, where bylaws require that grass be mowed, non-compliant lawns are mowed by the municipality (after warning notice) and the property owner billed for this service. (Payment is enforced by the same mechanisms that require payment of property taxes.) -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
On Jun 16, 2:41*pm, Nehmo wrote:
A painless method to reduce the human impact on the environment is to stop mowing grass. Not really, as the lawns would still *exist* and still need pesticides and fertilizers in order to continue growing... The fertilizers and pesticides have much more of an environmental impact than the actual mowing of the grass... In general, the only reason for mowing is appearance, and often, considering the location of the grass, the appearance can only be appreciated by a small number of people. Moreover, once people get accustomed to seeing uncut lawns, they may consider them preferable. Wrong... Uncut grass is fine for wild areas and large fields, but lawns? If someone like yourself is so concerned about saving the environment, rip up your lawn and replace it with gravel... Las Vegas pays residents to get rid of their lawns... Saves A LOT of water... The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. Care to provide a link to an example or several examples of these "laws" that impose jail time upon someone for failing to comply with a civil ordinance? But my focus here will be the environmental impact. The longer the grass, the more leaf area there is per land area. Therefore, uncut grass would be more efficient per unit land area at converting CO2 to oxygen – directly reducing the CO2 in the atmosphere. ROFL... Are you serious? A lawn is not a "healthy plant system" at all... Your theory only applies to healthy plant systems, not ones that depend on people to provide water, fertilizer and pesticides to ensure ideal growing conditions... Want to have an environmental impact, search out information about organic lawn care and compost tea... Healthy grass has a DEEP root system that helps make the grass more hearty... Most lawns only ever get about 1.5" of root depth.. Lawn mowers have highly polluting small engines. In one estimate, one hour of typical mower engine time is equivalent to an 100 mile trip in an average carhttp://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98532&page=1 . The EPA states mowing causes 5% of air pollutionhttp://www.peoplepoweredmachines.com/faq-environment.htm. Reducing the use of these engines reduces pollution of many types. Most mowing is in urban areas, where pollution is the worst and where most people breathe. The habitat of many animals is disturbed by mowing. It’s also worth mentioning that numerous accidents, many serious, are caused directly or indirectly by mowing. * ~{|) *Nehmo *(|}~ |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
On Jun 16, 7:41*pm, Nehmo wrote:
A painless method to reduce the human impact on the environment is to stop mowing grass. In general, the only reason for mowing is appearance, and often, considering the location of the grass, the appearance can only be appreciated by a small number of people. Moreover, once people get accustomed to seeing uncut lawns, they may consider them preferable. The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. But my focus here will be the environmental impact. The longer the grass, the more leaf area there is per land area. Therefore, uncut grass would be more efficient per unit land area at converting CO2 to oxygen – directly reducing the CO2 in the atmosphere. Lawn mowers have highly polluting small engines. In one estimate, one hour of typical mower engine time is equivalent to an 100 mile trip in an average carhttp://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98532&page=1 . The EPA states mowing causes 5% of air pollutionhttp://www.peoplepoweredmachines.com/faq-environment.htm. Reducing the use of these engines reduces pollution of many types. Most mowing is in urban areas, where pollution is the worst and where most people breathe. The habitat of many animals is disturbed by mowing. It’s also worth mentioning that numerous accidents, many serious, are caused directly or indirectly by mowing. * ~{|) *Nehmo *(|}~ You would love my garden. I have an acre of unmown grass. It grows up to four feet high. We must have thousands of mice &voles also snakes frogs toads etc. If you reallt want to help the environment you need to install a pond. I have two. Also plant trees. I have lots of trees too. |
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On Jun 16, 10:00�pm, "Don Phillipson" wrote:
"Nehmo" wrote in message ... The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. This seems interesting because illegal in most countries with Anglo- Saxon-type laws. � (Habeas Corpus forbids detention without charge, and disobeying a bylaw is an offence but not a crime.) In Canada, where bylaws require that grass be mowed, non-compliant lawns are mowed by the municipality (after warning notice) and the property owner billed for this service. (Payment is enforced by the same mechanisms that require payment of property taxes.) -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) Strewth, you really live in a police state don't you! |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
On 06/16/10 05:16 pm, harry wrote:
The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. This seems interesting because illegal in most countries with Anglo- Saxon-type laws. � (Habeas Corpus forbids detention without charge, and disobeying a bylaw is an offence but not a crime.) In Canada, where bylaws require that grass be mowed, non-compliant lawns are mowed by the municipality (after warning notice) and the property owner billed for this service. (Payment is enforced by the same mechanisms that require payment of property taxes.) Strewth, you really live in a police state don't you! It's the same in the Midwest US city next door to me. I have no idea what our Township regs. have to say about mowing lawns. Perce |
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harry wrote:
On Jun 16, 10:00�pm, "Don Phillipson" wrote: "Nehmo" wrote in message ... The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. This seems interesting because illegal in most countries with Anglo- Saxon-type laws. � (Habeas Corpus forbids detention without charge, and disobeying a bylaw is an offence but not a crime.) In Canada, where bylaws require that grass be mowed, non-compliant lawns are mowed by the municipality (after warning notice) and the property owner billed for this service. (Payment is enforced by the same mechanisms that require payment of property taxes.) .... Indeed, it would be the most extreme instance and I doubt even then any jail sentence would be for the actual offense but instead for something like contempt... There are compliance rules and jurisidictions do have facility to collect for taking care of out-of-hand situations, yes...generally by the time it gets that far, that's a "thankfully" appended to that by neighbors, etc., ... Strewth, you really live in a police state don't you! I'd be pretty comfortable in thinking there are similar ordinances in place on that side of ye olde ponde, too... -- |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
"Nehmo" wrote in message ... A painless method to reduce the human impact on the environment is to stop mowing grass. In general, the only reason for mowing is appearance, and often, considering the location of the grass, the appearance can only be appreciated by a small number of people. Moreover, once people get accustomed to seeing uncut lawns, they may consider them preferable. Unmowed laws allow the tall weeds to survive, some are classified as noxious. The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. But my focus here will be the environmental impact. The longer the grass, the more leaf area there is per land area. Therefore, uncut grass would be more efficient per unit land area at converting CO2 to oxygen – directly reducing the CO2 in the atmosphere. Is this your opinion or a tested fact. My experience has shown that a dense short lawn becomes a sparse tall lawn, with less stems per square area the result is less plants per square area, there may be more but may be less leaf area. Lawn mowers have highly polluting small engines. In one estimate, one hour of typical mower engine time is equivalent to an 100 mile trip in an average car http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98532&page=1 . The EPA states mowing causes 5% of air pollution http://www.peoplepoweredmachines.com...nvironment.htm . Reducing the use of these engines reduces pollution of many types. Very generic statement, based on an estimate to prove a point. The worst mowers are the 2 cycle engines, some are good others not so good, this is proof of nothing. Most mowing is in urban areas, where pollution is the worst and where most people breathe. The habitat of many animals is disturbed by mowing. Others love short grass, particularly the birds that seek ground insects. It’s also worth mentioning that numerous accidents, many serious, are caused directly or indirectly by mowing. ~{|) Nehmo (|}~ |
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 14:08:42 -0700 (PDT), Evan
wrote: Las Vegas pays residents to get rid of their lawns... Saves A LOT of water... It is the water district that pays for removal of lawns. I took 2/3 of my lawn out and they sent me a check. Just followed the rules, etc. I now only have about 300 s.f. of turf for my African hound dog to use. It's been a very successful program. ...."Upgrade existing grass to water-smart landscaping and receive a rebate of up to $1.50 per square foot of grass converted to xeriscape." http://www.lvvwd.com/conservation/ws_rebates.html |
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:41:29 -0700 (PDT), Nehmo
wrote: The habitat of many animals is disturbed by mowing. If I don't mow for a while, I check for rabbits before mowing, and scare them away until I'm done. If I don't mow wicked witch of the HOA complains. |
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On Jun 16, 10:26�pm, dpb wrote:
harry wrote: On Jun 16, 10:00 pm, "Don Phillipson" wrote: "Nehmo" wrote in message .... The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. This seems interesting because illegal in most countries with Anglo- Saxon-type laws. (Habeas Corpus forbids detention without charge, and disobeying a bylaw is an offence but not a crime.) In Canada, where bylaws require that grass be mowed, non-compliant lawns are mowed by the municipality (after warning notice) and the property owner billed for this service. (Payment is enforced by the same mechanisms that require payment of property taxes.) ... Indeed, it would be the most extreme instance and I doubt even then any jail sentence would be for the actual offense but instead for something like contempt... There are compliance rules and jurisidictions do have facility to collect for taking care of out-of-hand situations, yes...generally by the time it gets that far, that's a "thankfully" appended to that by neighbors, etc., ... Strewth, you really live in a police state don't you! I'd be pretty comfortable in thinking there are similar ordinances in place on that side of ye olde ponde, too... --- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not in the UK. Germany perhaps. Hangover from the Hitler days................ |
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Nehmo wrote: . The EPA states mowing causes 5% of air pollution http://www.peoplepoweredmachines.com...nvironment.htm . Reducing the use of these engines reduces pollution of many types. Most mowing is in urban areas, where pollution is the worst and where most people breathe. The habitat of many animals is disturbed by mowing. I live in the middle of Phoenix and have clover lawns that I cut with a hand push mower three days a week. Some of my neighbors use sheep, goats, or lamas for their lawns. How are we doing? |
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On Jun 16, 5:00 pm, "Don Phillipson" wrote:
"Nehmo" wrote in message ... The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. This seems interesting because illegal in most countries with Anglo- Saxon-type laws. (Habeas Corpus forbids detention without charge, and disobeying a bylaw is an offence but not a crime.) Of course you can go to jail in the US for not mowing your grass. There are not just bylaws in some HOA areas, but also actual municipal codes in many cases. Just try letting your yard get overgrown in clear violation thereof, get hauled into municipal court, get fined and ordered to rectify it, then refuse to pay the fine and remedy it. See what happens. You can in fact face jail time. In Canada, where bylaws require that grass be mowed, non-compliant lawns are mowed by the municipality (after warning notice) and the property owner billed for this service. (Payment is enforced by the same mechanisms that require payment of property taxes.) -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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On Jun 17, 5:42*am, "larry moe 'n curly"
wrote: Nehmo wrote: . The EPA states mowing causes 5% of air pollution http://www.peoplepoweredmachines.com...nvironment.htm. Reducing the use of these engines reduces pollution of many types. Most mowing is in urban areas, where pollution is the worst and where most people breathe. The habitat of many animals is disturbed by mowing. I live in the middle of Phoenix and have clover lawns that I cut with a hand push mower three days a week. *Some of my neighbors use sheep, goats, or lamas for their lawns. *How are we doing? Lamas smoke grass; Llamas eat grass. |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
I have to remember that one next time the "Land of the free" agument
returns...LOL wrote in message ... Of course you can go to jail in the US for not mowing your grass. There are not just bylaws in some HOA areas, but also actual municipal codes in many cases. Just try letting your yard get overgrown in clear violation thereof, get hauled into municipal court, get fined and ordered to rectify it, then refuse to pay the fine and remedy it. See what happens. You can in fact face jail time. On Jun 16, 5:00 pm, "Don Phillipson" wrote: "Nehmo" wrote in message ... The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. This seems interesting because illegal in most countries with Anglo- Saxon-type laws. (Habeas Corpus forbids detention without charge, and disobeying a bylaw is an offence but not a crime.) In Canada, where bylaws require that grass be mowed, non-compliant lawns are mowed by the municipality (after warning notice) and the property owner billed for this service. (Payment is enforced by the same mechanisms that require payment of property taxes.) -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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On Jun 17, 8:53*am, wrote:
On Jun 16, 5:00 pm, "Don Phillipson" wrote: "Nehmo" wrote in message .... The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. This seems interesting because illegal in most countries with Anglo- Saxon-type laws. * (Habeas Corpus forbids detention without charge, and disobeying a bylaw is an offence but not a crime.) Of course you can go to jail in the US for not mowing your grass. There are not just bylaws in some HOA areas, but also actual municipal codes in many cases. * Just try letting your yard get overgrown in clear violation thereof, get hauled into municipal court, get fined and ordered to rectify it, then refuse to pay the fine and remedy it. * See what happens. * You can in fact face jail time. Can you offer a citation for someone who has, in fact, done jail time for not mowing their lawn? AFAIK, municipalities are limited to having the work done and billing the homeowner. If the bill isn't paid it's the same as not paying taxes; the land can be sold at auction. |
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On Jun 17, 12:59*pm, keith wrote:
On Jun 17, 8:53*am, wrote: On Jun 16, 5:00 pm, "Don Phillipson" wrote: "Nehmo" wrote in message .... The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. This seems interesting because illegal in most countries with Anglo- Saxon-type laws. * (Habeas Corpus forbids detention without charge, and disobeying a bylaw is an offence but not a crime.) Of course you can go to jail in the US for not mowing your grass. There are not just bylaws in some HOA areas, but also actual municipal codes in many cases. * Just try letting your yard get overgrown in clear violation thereof, get hauled into municipal court, get fined and ordered to rectify it, then refuse to pay the fine and remedy it. * See what happens. * You can in fact face jail time. Can you offer a citation for someone who has, in fact, done jail time for not mowing their lawn? *AFAIK, municipalities are limited to having the work done and billing the homeowner. *If the bill isn't paid it's the same as not paying taxes; the land can be sold at auction. In Kansas City Kansas, a so-called Code Violation is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 6 months in jail. The first time fine, even if the situation is corrected, is typically $149.10. (but sometimes is $249.10. $49.10 is court cost) If you don't pay or don't show up for court, you go to jail. I'm personally familiar with the situation in that city (1), but with a short search, I couldn't find a good link. I did find one for Prairie Village, Kansas (part of the KC metro) http://www.pvkansas.com/codes/violations.shtml : "If violations are not corrected in the time determined by the Code Enforcement Officer, a Notice to Appear in Municipal Court (ticket) may be issued. When this occurs, the owner/resident must appear in Court. Upon conviction in Municipal Court, violators may be required to pay fines and/or serve time in jail." These laws are local, so the penalty and practices vary. But yes, without a doubt, people are jailed for caring for their lawn differently than what some other people want. I consider this a first amendment violation, an infringement of freedom of expression. (1) I watched several municipal Code Violation "trials". The defendant never won. |
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By your own statements, you cannot go to jail for long grass or "code
violation" and your first sentence contradicts further statements posted by you. You can go to jail for not complying with authority demands or violating court orders and such. "Nehmo" wrote in message ... In Kansas City Kansas, a so-called Code Violation is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 6 months in jail. The first time fine, even if the situation is corrected, is typically $149.10. (but sometimes is $249.10. $49.10 is court cost) If you don't pay or don't show up for court, you go to jail. I'm personally familiar with the situation in that city (1), but with a short search, I couldn't find a good link. I did find one for Prairie Village, Kansas (part of the KC metro) http://www.pvkansas.com/codes/violations.shtml : "If violations are not corrected in the time determined by the Code Enforcement Officer, a Notice to Appear in Municipal Court (ticket) may be issued. When this occurs, the owner/resident must appear in Court. Upon conviction in Municipal Court, violators may be required to pay fines and/or serve time in jail." These laws are local, so the penalty and practices vary. But yes, without a doubt, people are jailed for caring for their lawn differently than what some other people want. I consider this a first amendment violation, an infringement of freedom of expression. (1) I watched several municipal Code Violation "trials". The defendant never won. |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
On Jun 17, 7:33*pm, Nehmo wrote:
On Jun 17, 12:59*pm, keith wrote: On Jun 17, 8:53*am, wrote: On Jun 16, 5:00 pm, "Don Phillipson" wrote: "Nehmo" wrote in message ... The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. This seems interesting because illegal in most countries with Anglo- Saxon-type laws. * (Habeas Corpus forbids detention without charge, and disobeying a bylaw is an offence but not a crime.) Of course you can go to jail in the US for not mowing your grass. There are not just bylaws in some HOA areas, but also actual municipal codes in many cases. * Just try letting your yard get overgrown in clear violation thereof, get hauled into municipal court, get fined and ordered to rectify it, then refuse to pay the fine and remedy it. * See what happens. * You can in fact face jail time. Can you offer a citation for someone who has, in fact, done jail time for not mowing their lawn? *AFAIK, municipalities are limited to having the work done and billing the homeowner. *If the bill isn't paid it's the same as not paying taxes; the land can be sold at auction. In Kansas City Kansas, a so-called Code Violation is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 6 months in jail. The first time fine, even if the situation is corrected, is typically $149.10. (but sometimes is $249.10. $49.10 is court cost) If you don't pay or don't show up for court, you go to jail. I'm personally familiar with the situation in that city (1), but with a short search, I couldn't find a good link. I did find one for Prairie Village, Kansas (part of the KC metro)http://www..pvkansas.com/codes/violations.shtml: "If violations are not corrected in the time determined by the Code Enforcement Officer, a Notice to Appear in Municipal Court (ticket) may be issued. When this occurs, the owner/resident must appear in Court. Upon conviction in Municipal Court, violators may be required to pay fines and/or serve time in jail." These laws are local, so the penalty and practices vary. But yes, without a doubt, people are jailed for caring for their lawn differently than what some other people want. I consider this a first amendment violation, an infringement of freedom of expression. (1) I watched several municipal Code Violation "trials". The defendant never won. If being summonsed to court via a "ticket" which would indicate a CIVIL infraction which CAN NOT result in jail time is your example you clearly have no understanding of the law... Your example sounds a lot like the people who were jailed were held in contempt of court either due to their conduct in the hearing OR for their decision to ignore the order of the court to pay a fine... P.S. If the infraction itself was one that would result in jail time as a potential outcome you would either be arrested by the official pressing the charge and brought into court for an arraignment where the charge(s) against you are specified and described and you are given a chance to enter a plea or you would have been mailed an official "notice to appear" by the court and provided with an attorney at the time of the hearing if you did not bring one with you... You may not be brought before a hearing where the outcome of being found responsible is jail time without a court appointed lawyer being available if you can not afford your own attorney... Also, a criminal offense can be a misdemeanor which only imposes a FINE when found guilty... Any jail sentence imposed would be a separate and distinct charge brought against you for failure to comply with the order of the court to pay the fine levied against you when you were found guilty and would be the separate result of a subsequent trial or hearing process... ~~ Evan |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
Pavel314 wrote: On Jun 17, 5:42*am, "larry moe 'n curly" wrote: Nehmo wrote: . The EPA states mowing causes 5% of air pollution http://www.peoplepoweredmachines.com...nvironment.htm. Reducing the use of these engines reduces pollution of many types. Most mowing is in urban areas, where pollution is the worst and where most people breathe. The habitat of many animals is disturbed by mowing. I live in the middle of Phoenix and have clover lawns that I cut with a hand push mower three days a week. *Some of my neighbors use sheep, goats, or lamas for their lawns. *How are we doing? Lamas smoke grass; Llamas eat grass. Thanks. Good mnemonic. |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
On Jun 17, 10:33*pm, Evan wrote:
On Jun 17, 7:33*pm, Nehmo wrote: On Jun 17, 12:59*pm, keith wrote: On Jun 17, 8:53*am, wrote: On Jun 16, 5:00 pm, "Don Phillipson" wrote: "Nehmo" wrote in message ... The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. This seems interesting because illegal in most countries with Anglo- Saxon-type laws. * (Habeas Corpus forbids detention without charge, and disobeying a bylaw is an offence but not a crime.) Of course you can go to jail in the US for not mowing your grass. There are not just bylaws in some HOA areas, but also actual municipal codes in many cases. * Just try letting your yard get overgrown in clear violation thereof, get hauled into municipal court, get fined and ordered to rectify it, then refuse to pay the fine and remedy it. * See what happens. * You can in fact face jail time. Can you offer a citation for someone who has, in fact, done jail time for not mowing their lawn? *AFAIK, municipalities are limited to having the work done and billing the homeowner. *If the bill isn't paid it's the same as not paying taxes; the land can be sold at auction. In Kansas City Kansas, a so-called Code Violation is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 6 months in jail. The first time fine, even if the situation is corrected, is typically $149.10. (but sometimes is $249.10. $49.10 is court cost) If you don't pay or don't show up for court, you go to jail. I'm personally familiar with the situation in that city (1), but with a short search, I couldn't find a good link. I did find one for Prairie Village, Kansas (part of the KC metro)http://www.pvkansas.com/codes/violations.shtml: "If violations are not corrected in the time determined by the Code Enforcement Officer, a Notice to Appear in Municipal Court (ticket) may be issued. When this occurs, the owner/resident must appear in Court. Upon conviction in Municipal Court, violators may be required to pay fines and/or serve time in jail." These laws are local, so the penalty and practices vary. But yes, without a doubt, people are jailed for caring for their lawn differently than what some other people want. I consider this a first amendment violation, an infringement of freedom of expression. (1) I watched several municipal Code Violation "trials". The defendant never won. If being summonsed to court via a "ticket" which would indicate a CIVIL infraction which CAN NOT result in jail time is your example you clearly have no understanding of the law... Your example sounds a lot like the people who were jailed were held in contempt of court either due to their conduct in the hearing OR for their decision to ignore the order of the court to pay a fine... P.S. *If the infraction itself was one that would result in jail time as a potential outcome you would either be arrested by the official pressing the charge and brought into court for an arraignment where the charge(s) against you are specified and described and you are given a chance to enter a plea or you would have been mailed an official "notice to appear" by the court and provided with an attorney at the time of the hearing if you did not bring one with you... You may not be brought before a hearing where the outcome of being found responsible is jail time without a court appointed lawyer being available if you can not afford your own attorney... Also, a criminal offense can be a misdemeanor which only imposes a FINE when found guilty... *Any jail sentence imposed would be a separate and distinct charge brought against you for failure to comply with the order of the court to pay the fine levied against you when you were found guilty and would be the separate result of a subsequent trial or hearing process... ~~ Evan I didn't cite any "civil infraction" (I'm not sure what you mean by that). The code violations in KC, KS, are criminal violations, as I said, misdemeanors that carry jail time. they are heard by Judge Roberts or Judge Ryan. Prairie Village, Kansas has similar laws. There are several ways a defendant can go to jail for a conviction. True, one way would be the failure to pay a fine. Another, would be to fail to show up for court, and so on. But a defendant can go to jail, even directly. * Nehmo |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
On Jun 17, 8:23*pm, "Josepi" wrote:
By your own statements, you cannot go to jail for long grass or "code violation" and your first sentence contradicts further statements posted by you. You can go to jail for not complying with authority demands or violating court orders and such. "Nehmo" wrote in message ... In Kansas City Kansas, a so-called Code Violation is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 6 months in jail. The first time fine, even if the situation is corrected, is typically $149.10. (but sometimes is $249.10. $49.10 is court cost) If you don't pay or don't show up for court, you go to jail. I'm personally familiar with the situation in that city (1), but with a short search, I couldn't find a good link. I did find one for Prairie Village, Kansas (part of the KC metro)http://www..pvkansas.com/codes/violations.shtml: "If violations are not corrected in the time determined by the Code Enforcement Officer, a Notice to Appear in Municipal Court (ticket) may be issued. When this occurs, the owner/resident must appear in Court. Upon conviction in Municipal Court, violators may be required to pay fines and/or serve time in jail." These laws are local, so the penalty and practices vary. But yes, without a doubt, people are jailed for caring for their lawn differently than what some other people want. I consider this a first amendment violation, an infringement of freedom of expression. (1) I watched several municipal Code Violation "trials". The defendant never won. What statement of mine contradicts another? I repeat, a defendant _can_ go to jail for a code violation in Kansas City, Kansas. I'm sure in other jurisdictions it's possible too. In some other jurisdictions perhaps there are no laws on the issue. ` ~ - Nehmo |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
On Jun 16, 4:47 pm, "EXT" wrote:
"Nehmo" wrote in message ... A painless method to reduce the human impact on the environment is to stop mowing grass. In general, the only reason for mowing is appearance, and often, considering the location of the grass, the appearance can only be appreciated by a small number of people. Moreover, once people get accustomed to seeing uncut lawns, they may consider them preferable. Unmowed laws allow the tall weeds to survive, some are classified as noxious. I realize the ordinances use the word “noxious”, but the word means harmful. Harmful to what? And which plants are the ordinances referring to? Actually, there is no list of noxious plants, and “noxious” isn’t defined legally. It’s just a word the writers of the ordinances thought sounded good. Thus, there is yet another reason for the repeal of these laws. They are vague, perhaps unconstitutionally vague. The mania about cutting grass has reached insanity. Many municipalities in the US have laws forcing people to mow their lawns, and people actually go to jail for not cutting their grass. But my focus here will be the environmental impact. The longer the grass, the more leaf area there is per land area. Therefore, uncut grass would be more efficient per unit land area at converting CO2 to oxygen – directly reducing the CO2 in the atmosphere. Is this your opinion or a tested fact. My experience has shown that a dense short lawn becomes a sparse tall lawn, with less stems per square area the result is less plants per square area, there may be more but may be less leaf area. It’s hard to measure the gas exchange of grass, and I don’t have any research with any definite measurements. However, it stands to reason the more leaf area, the more stomata (openings for gas); then, the more gas exchange. But you are suggesting that not cutting reduces the leaf area by making the grass less dense. So, even though individual plants contain more gas exchange area, there may be less gas exchange area per land area with not-cutting. If you compare an abandoned lawn, one that is uncut and unwatered, to one kept up, then it looks like the abandoned one is less dense. But the cause probably is the difference in watering – not cutting. I didn’t take a position on watering or not watering. That’s a different issue. But I would suppose watering makes the grass more effective at transforming CO2 to O2. And my other argument, the pollution caused by cutting grass, is untouched by a rebuttal about the gas exchange. Lawn mower engines cause plenty of pollution of many kinds. Typically lawn care uses either the two cycle engine or a small four cycle engine. Two cycle engines are inherently more pollution producing because they don’t have complete cycles as with a four stroke engine. Some un-burnt petroleum gas is exhausted as pollution. Small four stroke (stroke or cycle are just different names) engines are not as bad as two stroke, but they are still very much pollution causing. They have no anti-pollution measures that a larger car engines would. There’s plenty of information on this. I already linked to two sites, and it’s easy to find more. Additionally, with lawn mowers, pollution is caused by spilt gasoline, and gas just sitting in gas cans or small tanks that eventually evaporates into the atmosphere. Lawn mowers have highly polluting small engines. In one estimate, one hour of typical mower engine time is equivalent to an 100 mile trip in an average carhttp://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98532&page=1 . The EPA states mowing causes 5% of air pollution http://www.peoplepoweredmachines.com...nvironment.htm. Reducing the use of these engines reduces pollution of many types. Very generic statement, based on an estimate to prove a point. The worst mowers are the 2 cycle engines, some are good others not so good, this is proof of nothing. How is this "proof of nothing"? Even a good two cycle engine causes plenty of pollution per unit work. But even if we ban those engines (which, BTW, have the advantage of being light), the small four cycle engines don't do well when it comes to emissions either. But we can substantially reduce the use of both kinds of engines if we don't mow. http://www.hikersforcleanair.org/papers/2cycle.html http://discovermagazine.com/2008/may...-and-youre-out "Two-stroke engines produce a lot of pollution because the fuel-air mixture in them gets contaminated with the engine’s lubricating oils. Simultaneously the combustion chamber draws in the contaminated mixture as exhaust gases are expelled through an exhaust port. Some of the fuel and oil gets mixed with the exhaust." The situation with polluted air is very serious, you know. People and other animals cough and die. Most mowing is in urban areas, where pollution is the worst and where most people breathe. The habitat of many animals is disturbed by mowing. Others love short grass, particularly the birds that seek ground insects. Birds would be better served if we didn't mow. In unmowed forest preserves birds thrive. In any case, cutting grass is unnatural. It’s also worth mentioning that numerous accidents, many serious, are caused directly or indirectly by mowing. ~{|) Nehmo (|}~ |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
Nehmo wrote:
-snip- I realize the ordinances use the word “noxious”, but the word means harmful. Harmful to what? The 'natural' environment? [which, IMO includes mowed lawns] And which plants are the ordinances referring to? Actually, there is no list of noxious plants, Sure there are-- http://plants.usda.gov/java/noxiousDriver Both federal and state lists. And I'll bet some counties have lists. -snip- Birds would be better served if we didn't mow. In unmowed forest preserves birds thrive. In any case, cutting grass is unnatural. I'm with you on the anti-mowing crusade-- I've never understood anyone's fascination with 'well manicured' grass. But some birds [bluebirds, robins, doves . . . probably others] prefer short grass. Jim |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
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Nehmo wrote: I realize the ordinances use the word “noxious”, but the word means harmful. Harmful to what? And which plants are the ordinances referring to? Actually, there is no list of noxious plants, and “noxious” isn’t defined legally. It’s just a word the writers of the ordinances thought sounded good. Thus, there is yet another reason for the repeal of these laws. They are vague, perhaps unconstitutionally vague. Relevant jurisdictions will have a "noxious weeds list", which you can probably find on your ministry or department of agriculture's web site. Noxious weeds are ones that are a problem for farmers because they are hard to control and spread easily. It's in the interest of farmers (and thus everybody who eats food) that everyone prevent these weeds from flourishing on their property. Btw, most of the plants on noxious weeds lists are non-native. |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
Nehmo wrote:
Typically lawn care uses either the two cycle engine or a small four cycle engine. I don't think I've ever seen a lawn mower with a 2-cycle engine. Does anyone even sell such a thing these days? |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
On Jun 21, 8:17*pm, Some Guy wrote:
Nehmo wrote: Typically lawn care uses either the two cycle engine or a small four cycle engine. I don't think I've ever seen a lawn mower with a 2-cycle engine. *Does anyone even sell such a thing these days? http://www.newhavenpower.com/Lawnboy...Pro_INDEX.html |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
Here let me quote you the statement you contradict later. Common sense in
N.America tells us this is incorrect with our legal systems. "In Kansas City Kansas, a so-called Code Violation is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 6 months in jail" Later you state it take another violation in a criminal law fashion to "go to jail" "Nehmo" wrote in message ... On Jun 17, 8:23 pm, "Josepi" wrote: By your own statements, you cannot go to jail for long grass or "code violation" and your first sentence contradicts further statements posted by you. You can go to jail for not complying with authority demands or violating court orders and such. "Nehmo" wrote in message ... In Kansas City Kansas, a so-called Code Violation is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 6 months in jail. The first time fine, even if the situation is corrected, is typically $149.10. (but sometimes is $249.10. $49.10 is court cost) If you don't pay or don't show up for court, you go to jail. I'm personally familiar with the situation in that city (1), but with a short search, I couldn't find a good link. I did find one for Prairie Village, Kansas (part of the KC metro)http://www.pvkansas.com/codes/violations.shtml: "If violations are not corrected in the time determined by the Code Enforcement Officer, a Notice to Appear in Municipal Court (ticket) may be issued. When this occurs, the owner/resident must appear in Court. Upon conviction in Municipal Court, violators may be required to pay fines and/or serve time in jail." These laws are local, so the penalty and practices vary. But yes, without a doubt, people are jailed for caring for their lawn differently than what some other people want. I consider this a first amendment violation, an infringement of freedom of expression. (1) I watched several municipal Code Violation "trials". The defendant never won. What statement of mine contradicts another? I repeat, a defendant _can_ go to jail for a code violation in Kansas City, Kansas. I'm sure in other jurisdictions it's possible too. In some other jurisdictions perhaps there are no laws on the issue. ` ~ - Nehmo |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
....and Lawnboys are still some of the quietest gas mowers out there.
"keith" wrote in message news:85d8046a-ee81-469d-8d60- ... Typically lawn care uses either the two cycle engine or a small four cycle engine. http://www.newhavenpower.com/Lawnboy...Pro_INDEX.html On Jun 21, 8:17 pm, Some Guy wrote: Nehmo wrote: I don't think I've ever seen a lawn mower with a 2-cycle engine. Does anyone even sell such a thing these days? |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
Let me see if I can properly re-format this thread:
I don't think I've ever seen a lawn mower with a 2-cycle engine. Does anyone even sell such a thing these days? Nehmo wrote: http://www.newhavenpower.com/Lawnboy...Pro_INDEX.html Josepi wrote: ...and Lawnboys are still some of the quietest gas mowers out there. Ugh. Ok, so somebody is making wimpy 2-cycle mowers. I've never seen them for sale. Wasn't there some emmissions laws passed a few years ago pertaining to small engines? Wasn't it supposed to make small engines (lawn mowers, snow blowers, chain saws, etc) cleaner burning? And don't tell me that a 2-cycle lawn mower is going to be quieter than a 4-cycle one. And who wants to mess with mixing oil with their gas? |
The Grass Is Greener When You Don't Mow.
On Jun 22, 9:53*pm, Some Guy wrote:
Let me see if I can properly re-format this thread: I don't think I've ever seen a lawn mower with a 2-cycle engine. Does anyone even sell such a thing these days? Nehmo wrote: http://www.newhavenpower.com/Lawnboy...Pro_INDEX.html Josepi wrote: ...and Lawnboys are still some of the quietest gas mowers out there. Ugh. *Ok, so somebody is making wimpy 2-cycle mowers. *I've never seen them for sale. You obviously haven't looked. LawnBoy has made two-cycle mowers for decades. Wasn't there some emmissions laws passed a few years ago pertaining to small engines? *Wasn't it supposed to make small engines (lawn mowers, snow blowers, chain saws, etc) cleaner burning? In CA, perhaps. Modern two-cycle engines are pretty clean burning. And don't tell me that a 2-cycle lawn mower is going to be quieter than a 4-cycle one. The LawnBoy certainly is. And who wants to mess with mixing oil with their gas? I certainly don't, certainly not with different mixtures for each tool. That's why my string trimmer/leaf blower/lawn edger is four cycle. One can of gas for everything. |
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