Are you Phredo's mother?

I'm sure Phredo is a big boy and he can take care of himself and doesn't
need your coddling.

I suppose you have never seen or heard the heated arguments that grass
taxonomists at the Smithsonian sometimes get into. Taxonomy is not for the
faint of heart or sissy cry babies.

So why don't you go back to your sterile plastic bubble and twiddle your
thumbs!!!

"Phredo, you broke my heart."


Frank Martin wrote in message
...
Surely this reply is too astringent and acerbic and not in keeping with
the
respect due to fellow scientists.
Phred may be some nascent biologist whose botanical heart has just been
crushed by your cruel put-downs.
Do you want that on your conscience?

"Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message
m...
I'm not a student, Buckwheat.

I just want you to put your money where you flip mouth is, you
superficial
smartass.

You still haven't answered the question, you ******.

I asked for a list of SPECIES in ten different genera not just random
list
of generic names.

Any idiot can randomly throw out the names of genera and you have proven
that.

Most if not all of the species in those genera ARE NOT APOMICTIC.

That makes you the lazy parasite who cannot back the outrageous
statements
you make.


Phred wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Cereoid-UR12-" wrote:
Name ten grasses in different genera that are apomictic!!!

Here's a few you can look up... but I'm stuffed if I'm going to do
*all* your homework for you, so look up the details for yourself and
don't be a typical lazy student parasitising the web.

In no particular order: Brachiaria, Paspalum, Eragrostis, Poa,
Dichanthium, Tripsacum, Cenchrus, Pennisetum, Panicum, Hyparrhenia,
Vetiveria, Themeda, Heteropogon, Bouteloua, Bothriochloa,
Capillipedium... (And I suppose we could even throw in Zea now.)


Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

In article ,
"Cereoid-UR12-" wrote:
I'm not a student, Buckwheat.

Well at least we can agree on something.


Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

Tsk! I see that velociraptors are not the only vicious sharp-toothed
sabre-clawed reptilian throwbacks who live and lurk in the tall grass. Do
all your students/professors cringe and cower in corners apon your arrival?
I find myself warming to threshers, winnowers, back-burners, gleaners and
Round-up applicators.



"Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message
. ..
Are you Phredo's mother?

I'm sure Phredo is a big boy and he can take care of himself and doesn't
need your coddling.

I suppose you have never seen or heard the heated arguments that grass
taxonomists at the Smithsonian sometimes get into. Taxonomy is not for the
faint of heart or sissy cry babies.

So why don't you go back to your sterile plastic bubble and twiddle your
thumbs!!!

"Phredo, you broke my heart."


Frank Martin wrote in message
...
Surely this reply is too astringent and acerbic and not in keeping with
the
respect due to fellow scientists.
Phred may be some nascent biologist whose botanical heart has just been
crushed by your cruel put-downs.
Do you want that on your conscience?

"Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message
m...
I'm not a student, Buckwheat.

I just want you to put your money where you flip mouth is, you
superficial
smartass.

You still haven't answered the question, you ******.

I asked for a list of SPECIES in ten different genera not just random
list
of generic names.

Any idiot can randomly throw out the names of genera and you have
proven
that.

Most if not all of the species in those genera ARE NOT APOMICTIC.

That makes you the lazy parasite who cannot back the outrageous
statements
you make.


Phred wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Cereoid-UR12-" wrote:
Name ten grasses in different genera that are apomictic!!!

Here's a few you can look up... but I'm stuffed if I'm going to do
*all* your homework for you, so look up the details for yourself and
don't be a typical lazy student parasitising the web.

In no particular order: Brachiaria, Paspalum, Eragrostis, Poa,
Dichanthium, Tripsacum, Cenchrus, Pennisetum, Panicum, Hyparrhenia,
Vetiveria, Themeda, Heteropogon, Bouteloua, Bothriochloa,
Capillipedium... (And I suppose we could even throw in Zea now.)


Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

In article ,
Phred wrote:
(And I suppose we could even throw in Zea now.)

Zea? Wow. When did this happen?

It would be cool to have sweet corn that could be planted in really small
patches and still have plenty of kernels per cob. I'd really like a
cultivar that I could plant a little every week and get maybe half a
dozen cobs per week.

Now you are just babbling.


Frank Martin wrote in message
...
Tsk! I see that velociraptors are not the only vicious sharp-toothed
sabre-clawed reptilian throwbacks who live and lurk in the tall grass. Do
all your students/professors cringe and cower in corners apon your
arrival?
I find myself warming to threshers, winnowers, back-burners, gleaners and
Round-up applicators.



"Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message
. ..
Are you Phredo's mother?

I'm sure Phredo is a big boy and he can take care of himself and doesn't
need your coddling.

I suppose you have never seen or heard the heated arguments that grass
taxonomists at the Smithsonian sometimes get into. Taxonomy is not for
the
faint of heart or sissy cry babies.

So why don't you go back to your sterile plastic bubble and twiddle your
thumbs!!!

"Phredo, you broke my heart."


Frank Martin wrote in message
...
Surely this reply is too astringent and acerbic and not in keeping
with
the
respect due to fellow scientists.
Phred may be some nascent biologist whose botanical heart has just
been
crushed by your cruel put-downs.
Do you want that on your conscience?

"Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message
m...
I'm not a student, Buckwheat.

I just want you to put your money where you flip mouth is, you
superficial
smartass.

You still haven't answered the question, you ******.

I asked for a list of SPECIES in ten different genera not just
random
list
of generic names.

Any idiot can randomly throw out the names of genera and you have
proven
that.

Most if not all of the species in those genera ARE NOT APOMICTIC.

That makes you the lazy parasite who cannot back the outrageous
statements
you make.


Phred wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Cereoid-UR12-" wrote:
Name ten grasses in different genera that are apomictic!!!

Here's a few you can look up... but I'm stuffed if I'm going to do
*all* your homework for you, so look up the details for yourself
and
don't be a typical lazy student parasitising the web.

In no particular order: Brachiaria, Paspalum, Eragrostis, Poa,
Dichanthium, Tripsacum, Cenchrus, Pennisetum, Panicum,
Hyparrhenia,
Vetiveria, Themeda, Heteropogon, Bouteloua, Bothriochloa,
Capillipedium... (And I suppose we could even throw in Zea now.)


Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

It never did happen.

Phredo completely misunderstood what was previously said by nobody. (How
appropriate!!!)


nobody wrote in message
news

In order to produce good ears, corn must be planted pretty densely. As
I recall, you need to have at least three or four rows to get any ears
of corn. But, that is the way man has cultivated the plant... i dont
know if wild maize has similar population density requirements. But I
wouldnt doubt that wind pollinated plants need to have others nearby
in order to set seed.


Beverly Erlebacher wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
Phred wrote:
(And I suppose we could even throw in Zea now.)

Zea? Wow. When did this happen?

It would be cool to have sweet corn that could be planted in really small
patches and still have plenty of kernels per cob. I'd really like a
cultivar that I could plant a little every week and get maybe half a
dozen cobs per week.

Dnia 03-08-26 04:21, U¿ytkownik Cereoid-UR12- napisa³:
Yes, those are genera of grasses but which actual species in those genera
are apomictic, if any?
A list of generic names alone tells us nothing.
Try to find by yourself in http://www.google.com (or any other search
engine) if
you don't believe. It's works better than your discussion...

And according to *netiquette* please, answer below the cited (original
if you wish) message.
Best regards, Michau
--
/\/\ichal Smoczyk, msmoczykNOSPAM(at)wp.pl
===delete 'NOSPAM' from my address===

In article ,
Cereoid-UR12- wrote:
It never did happen.

Phredo completely misunderstood what was previously said by nobody. (How
appropriate!!!)

I'll believe Phred before I'll believe you, since his posts are usually
well informed and lacking in childishness. If someone has discovered
apomixis in Zea, it's an interesting development, and I'd like to hear
more about it. The way he phrased it:

(And I suppose we could even throw in Zea now.)

makes it sound like it's a very new development, or perhaps that it was
achieved by unusual means.

Hmm, 30 seconds with google shows that there's a lot of work being done
hybridizing Zea and Tripsacum, and investigating apomixis in the hybrids,
including efforts to produce apomictic maize cultivars. I get 537 hits,
mostly to journal articles, some as prestigious as Nature, and to research
laboratories and university courses in plant science. What's more, there
are bibliographic refs back to the 1970s, so it's not even new.

Phred (knowledge) 1
Cereoid (childishness) 0

I included the original statement made in the thread concerning Zea. There
is no mention of apomixis in that genus nor has there been any discovery of
it occurring in the genus. If you would rather believe a false claim made by
Phredo without any actual proof, then you have learned nothing at all. Once
again you have proven to be the arrogant imbecile, Bev, because you
willingly believe the wrong person for the wrong reasons. You have been and
remain a disappointment not worthy of serious consideration. Zea x Tripsacum
hybrids are NOT the same thing as pure lines in the genus Zea. The
intergeneric hybrids were not commercially viable.

http://www.apomixis.de/APO2001_Abstract_Book.doc.

"APOMICTIC MAIZE: PROBLEMS AND PERSPECTIVES

Victor A. Sokolov, Irina V. Khatypova

The attempts to find genetically controlled apomixis in diploid or
tetraploid maize failed. So at our laboratory a course, traditional in such
cases, was taken - transfer of a character, necessary from the selection
point of view, from the closest relatives by a way of distant hybridization.
The closest relative of maize having an apomictic mode of reproduction is
tetraploid Tripsacum (Tripsacum dactyloides) 2n=4x=72. So with the purpose
of obtaining apomictic maize hybridization of 2n=4x=40 Zea mays with
Tripsacum was conducted. The amphidiploid F1 hybrids had 2n=56 (20Zm + 36Td)
and were apomicts having a female fertility at the Tripsacum level with a
total male sterility.

Their backcrosses using 2n=20 and 2n=4x=40 pollen parents allowed to develop
a wide set of apomictic lines with reduction of Tripsacum chromosomes to 9.

Despite the fact that they were obtained independently all they have the
same set of 9 chromosomes of Tripsacum. The further reduction even by one
chromosome of Tripsacum leads to the loss of the apomictic mode of
reproduction and as a consequence to the loss of all gamagrass chromosomes
in subsequent generations.

The cytogenetic analysis showed the polygenic character of the genetic
system providing the apomictic development in Tripsacum and its hybrids with
maize.

So we try to obtain from the highly imperfect 39-chromosome hybrids of maize
with Tripsacum lines that wouldn’t be inferior to maize in kernel
productivity and quality."


Beverly Erlebacher wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
Cereoid-UR12- wrote:
It never did happen.

Phredo completely misunderstood what was previously said by nobody. (How
appropriate!!!)

I'll believe Phred before I'll believe you, since his posts are usually
well informed and lacking in childishness. If someone has discovered
apomixis in Zea, it's an interesting development, and I'd like to hear
more about it. The way he phrased it:

(And I suppose we could even throw in Zea now.)

makes it sound like it's a very new development, or perhaps that it was
achieved by unusual means.

Hmm, 30 seconds with google shows that there's a lot of work being done
hybridizing Zea and Tripsacum, and investigating apomixis in the hybrids,
including efforts to produce apomictic maize cultivars. I get 537 hits,
mostly to journal articles, some as prestigious as Nature, and to research
laboratories and university courses in plant science. What's more, there
are bibliographic refs back to the 1970s, so it's not even new.

Phred (knowledge) 1
Cereoid (childishness) 0

Are you at a loss for words.........?

"Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message
. ..
Now you are just babbling.


Frank Martin wrote in message
...
Tsk! I see that velociraptors are not the only vicious sharp-toothed
sabre-clawed reptilian throwbacks who live and lurk in the tall grass.
Do
all your students/professors cringe and cower in corners apon your
arrival?
I find myself warming to threshers, winnowers, back-burners, gleaners
and
Round-up applicators.



"Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message
. ..
Are you Phredo's mother?

I'm sure Phredo is a big boy and he can take care of himself and
doesn't
need your coddling.

I suppose you have never seen or heard the heated arguments that grass
taxonomists at the Smithsonian sometimes get into. Taxonomy is not for
the
faint of heart or sissy cry babies.

So why don't you go back to your sterile plastic bubble and twiddle
your
thumbs!!!

"Phredo, you broke my heart."


Frank Martin wrote in message
...
Surely this reply is too astringent and acerbic and not in keeping
with
the
respect due to fellow scientists.
Phred may be some nascent biologist whose botanical heart has just
been
crushed by your cruel put-downs.
Do you want that on your conscience?

"Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message
m...
I'm not a student, Buckwheat.

I just want you to put your money where you flip mouth is, you
superficial
smartass.

You still haven't answered the question, you ******.

I asked for a list of SPECIES in ten different genera not just
random
list
of generic names.

Any idiot can randomly throw out the names of genera and you have
proven
that.

Most if not all of the species in those genera ARE NOT APOMICTIC.

That makes you the lazy parasite who cannot back the outrageous
statements
you make.


Phred wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Cereoid-UR12-" wrote:
Name ten grasses in different genera that are apomictic!!!

Here's a few you can look up... but I'm stuffed if I'm going to
do
*all* your homework for you, so look up the details for yourself
and
don't be a typical lazy student parasitising the web.

In no particular order: Brachiaria, Paspalum, Eragrostis, Poa,
Dichanthium, Tripsacum, Cenchrus, Pennisetum, Panicum,
Hyparrhenia,
Vetiveria, Themeda, Heteropogon, Bouteloua, Bothriochloa,
Capillipedium... (And I suppose we could even throw in Zea
now.)


Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

In article ,
Cereoid-UR12- wrote:
I included the original statement made in the thread concerning Zea. There
is no mention of apomixis in that genus nor has there been any discovery of
it occurring in the genus.

The way Phred phrased it made it sound like there was an interesting story
or recent development behind it, which I hope he'll share with us.

If you would rather believe a false claim made by
Phredo without any actual proof, then you have learned nothing at all.

You're right. I'm so gullible I have absolutely no ability to run my own
intellectual life. I'm ineducable. It's not worth wasting your time on me.

Once
again you have proven to be the arrogant imbecile, Bev, because you
willingly believe the wrong person for the wrong reasons. You have been and
remain a disappointment not worthy of serious consideration.

Gee, why do you keep bothering with us disappointing arrogant imbeciles?
Just put me and everyone who irritates you in your killfile. We aren't
worthy of your serious consideration, so why give it? You will have a
more peaceful life, and the rest of us can continue along in our little
playpen here, being imbecilic and amusing each other with interesting
stories from real life and the technical literature.

Zea x Tripsacum
hybrids are NOT the same thing as pure lines in the genus Zea. The
intergeneric hybrids were not commercially viable.

It seems to be a fairly hot area of research, with many labs involved.
Backcrosses showing apomixis have been obtained for some years. While
commercially viable lines which are almost entirely Zea, but display
apomixis may not yet have been obtained, I would not be surprised to
read current papers with promising results considering the great advances
in genetic engineering techniques of the past 10-15 years. Very few things
in botany are "commercially viable", and commercial viability is hardly
a qualifying measure of scientific validity.

http://www.apomixis.de/APO2001_Abstract_Book.doc.

"APOMICTIC MAIZE: PROBLEMS AND PERSPECTIVES

Victor A. Sokolov, Irina V. Khatypova

Yeah, still a hot topic in 2001. This paper is about use of standard cross
amd backcross techniques, but other researchers are using modern methods of
genetic engineering and genomics.

Should I believe your brush off, or the evidence that hundreds of researchers
around the world still regard the goal of apomixis in maize as worth pursuing?
Is it stupid and credulous to believe that some of these researchers may
report promising results?

I hope Phred will tell us more. He may be rolling his eyes at where his
offhand statement has gone, but unlike some posters, he seems to have a
pretty good sense of humour, and may be enjoying Cereoid's antics, or even
mine.

Name ten grasses in different genera that are apomictic!!! BRBR

A quick search revealed the fact that many genera of the Poaceae contain
apomictic species. These include Pennisetum, Poa, Sorghum, buffelgrass, and
others I don't remember. A great deal of research is going on right now to
isolate the genes for apomixis in order to develop consistent strains of
superior food & forage plants. You might know that such an advanced and
widespread family as the Poaceae would have a backup system in case wind
pollination doesn't work.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

I asked Phredo to answer the question, not you Iris.

I also meant actual species names not just the names of genera.

You don't get even partial credit for half answers or holding little
Phredo's hand.


Iris Cohen wrote in message
...
Name ten grasses in different genera that are apomictic!!! BRBR

A quick search revealed the fact that many genera of the Poaceae contain
apomictic species. These include Pennisetum, Poa, Sorghum, buffelgrass,
and
others I don't remember. A great deal of research is going on right now to
isolate the genes for apomixis in order to develop consistent strains of
superior food & forage plants. You might know that such an advanced and
widespread family as the Poaceae would have a backup system in case wind
pollination doesn't work.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

I'm running back to my home newsgroup Soc.History.Medieval where manners and
mutual respect are the norm.
I don't care about aponymous grasses, anyway!
-
-
-
* SLAM *







"Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message
m...
I asked Phredo to answer the question, not you Iris.

I also meant actual species names not just the names of genera.

You don't get even partial credit for half answers or holding little
Phredo's hand.


Iris Cohen wrote in message
...
Name ten grasses in different genera that are apomictic!!! BRBR

A quick search revealed the fact that many genera of the Poaceae contain
apomictic species. These include Pennisetum, Poa, Sorghum, buffelgrass,
and
others I don't remember. A great deal of research is going on right now
to
isolate the genes for apomixis in order to develop consistent strains of
superior food & forage plants. You might know that such an advanced and
widespread family as the Poaceae would have a backup system in case wind
pollination doesn't work.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the
oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Maybe it is time to compose a standard warning to be immediately appended to
any response that Cereoid makes to a non-regular? This would cut down on
unnecessary scenes and panic.
PvR


Frank Martin schreef
I'm running back to my home newsgroup Soc.History.Medieval where manners
and mutual respect are the norm.
I don't care about aponymous grasses, anyway!
-
-
-
* SLAM *