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Old 04-02-2003, 04:28 PM
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For those of you with a bottom drain...how do you protect yourself against
emptying your pond if there is a failure somewhere upstream from your bottom
drain? Originally I was going to sit my pump on a shelf to protect against
this, but now that I plan to have a bottom drain, I am concerned. I am
routing my water to a veggie filter that may or may not be attached to the
main pond via a stream. If it is, I am concerned with the stream getting
blocked and emptying my pond. I am seriously considering not having a stream
and routing the water back via pipes to prevent this.

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Old 04-02-2003, 08:45 PM
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My bottom drain empties into a settling/veggie pond and is pumped from there
into a bio-filter where it falls back into the main pond. The pump intake
from the settling/veggie pond is above the bottom of the main pond so I
never risk emptying the main pond. Over this winter, I had a leak somewhere
in my underground plumbing and my water level did drop but when it got below
the intake of the pump, the pump just shut off.

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For those of you with a bottom drain...how do you protect yourself against
emptying your pond if there is a failure somewhere upstream from your

bottom
drain? Originally I was going to sit my pump on a shelf to protect against
this, but now that I plan to have a bottom drain, I am concerned. I am
routing my water to a veggie filter that may or may not be attached to the
main pond via a stream. If it is, I am concerned with the stream getting
blocked and emptying my pond. I am seriously considering not having a

stream
and routing the water back via pipes to prevent this.

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Old 04-02-2003, 09:53 PM
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"Dan" wrote in message
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My bottom drain empties into a settling/veggie pond and is pumped from

there
into a bio-filter where it falls back into the main pond. The pump intake
from the settling/veggie pond is above the bottom of the main pond so I
never risk emptying the main pond. Over this winter, I had a leak

somewhere
in my underground plumbing and my water level did drop but when it got

below
the intake of the pump, the pump just shut off.


That never occurred to me. I have been thinking the whole time I would have
bottom drain to pump to VF. I guess I could have bottom drain to VF, to pump
back to main pond. Does that make sense? Pump FROM the VF to the main pond
where the BD is?

BV.


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Old 04-02-2003, 11:11 PM
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My bottom drain and surface skimmer are gravity fed into the VF and then
pumped from the VF into a bio-filter where it then falls back into the main
pond. The only problem I have, is my make-shift prefilter on my pump gets
clogged and needs to be cleaned about once a week. However, the prefilter
is necessary on the pump intake so that the pump doesn't get clogged which
is a much bigger job cleaning. Any suggestions for a good pump prefilter?


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"Dan" wrote in message
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My bottom drain empties into a settling/veggie pond and is pumped from

there
into a bio-filter where it falls back into the main pond. The pump

intake
from the settling/veggie pond is above the bottom of the main pond so I
never risk emptying the main pond. Over this winter, I had a leak

somewhere
in my underground plumbing and my water level did drop but when it got

below
the intake of the pump, the pump just shut off.


That never occurred to me. I have been thinking the whole time I would

have
bottom drain to pump to VF. I guess I could have bottom drain to VF, to

pump
back to main pond. Does that make sense? Pump FROM the VF to the main pond
where the BD is?

BV.




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Old 04-02-2003, 11:35 PM
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Dan wrote:
My bottom drain and surface skimmer are gravity fed into the VF and then
pumped from the VF into a bio-filter where it then falls back into the main
pond. The only problem I have, is my make-shift prefilter on my pump gets
clogged and needs to be cleaned about once a week. However, the prefilter
is necessary on the pump intake so that the pump doesn't get clogged which
is a much bigger job cleaning. Any suggestions for a good pump prefilter?


Hi Dan,
I use a slotted planting basket filled with bioballs, put in
the pump and then put all into a meshed laundry basket (with
a slide closure). Then I lower the laundry basket into the
pond. It is easy to raise, just get a pole and hook the
rope closure. I rarely have to clean this filter. Others
have filled the basket with lava rocks, but I found them too
heavy.

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Old 04-02-2003, 11:55 PM
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Bonnie, thanks for your suggestion. I have an external pump that is
connected thru the side of my Veggie Filter by a 2 inch PVC pipe. I may be
able to run the pipe into a basket type set-up like you mention.

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Dan wrote:
My bottom drain and surface skimmer are gravity fed into the VF and then
pumped from the VF into a bio-filter where it then falls back into the

main
pond. The only problem I have, is my make-shift prefilter on my pump

gets
clogged and needs to be cleaned about once a week. However, the

prefilter
is necessary on the pump intake so that the pump doesn't get clogged

which
is a much bigger job cleaning. Any suggestions for a good pump

prefilter?


Hi Dan,
I use a slotted planting basket filled with bioballs, put in
the pump and then put all into a meshed laundry basket (with
a slide closure). Then I lower the laundry basket into the
pond. It is easy to raise, just get a pole and hook the
rope closure. I rarely have to clean this filter. Others
have filled the basket with lava rocks, but I found them too
heavy.

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Bonnie
NJ




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Old 05-02-2003, 02:24 AM
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If I was to do this, this will be my setup.

Pipe from Bottom Drain will have a backflow device in line, then to a pump
that empties into a biofilter that is elevated, then by gravity into my
veggie filter, then by gravity back into my pond.

Should the pump fail, the backflow device will stop the water from the
biofilter from going back into my pond thru the bottom drain. With this
setup if your pump fails then there will be no backflow into the pond.

The pipe breakage issue is a different problem that can be corrected with a
level switch similar to what you have in your fuel pump. Get this type of
switching device from your local plumbing supply store, connect the switch
to your pump. If the level goes below a predetermined level, then your pump
will shut off. (I will do some research into this myself soon and will
report back to the group)

Good luck, and keep your questions coming as I am learning a lot from the
answers you are getting.
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"Dan" wrote in message
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My bottom drain empties into a settling/veggie pond and is pumped from

there
into a bio-filter where it falls back into the main pond. The pump intake
from the settling/veggie pond is above the bottom of the main pond so I
never risk emptying the main pond. Over this winter, I had a leak

somewhere
in my underground plumbing and my water level did drop but when it got

below
the intake of the pump, the pump just shut off.

"BenignVanilla" wrote in
message ...
For those of you with a bottom drain...how do you protect yourself

against
emptying your pond if there is a failure somewhere upstream from your

bottom
drain? Originally I was going to sit my pump on a shelf to protect

against
this, but now that I plan to have a bottom drain, I am concerned. I am
routing my water to a veggie filter that may or may not be attached to

the
main pond via a stream. If it is, I am concerned with the stream getting
blocked and emptying my pond. I am seriously considering not having a

stream
and routing the water back via pipes to prevent this.

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Old 05-02-2003, 11:11 AM
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Check with a good plumbing supply store for a product called spaflex.
It is a sturdy by flexiable hose that you can use between the rigid pipe
and the pump.

"Dan" wrote in message
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Bonnie, thanks for your suggestion. I have an external pump that is
connected thru the side of my Veggie Filter by a 2 inch PVC pipe. I may

be
able to run the pipe into a basket type set-up like you mention.

"Bonnie Espenshade" wrote in message
...
Dan wrote:
My bottom drain and surface skimmer are gravity fed into the VF and

then
pumped from the VF into a bio-filter where it then falls back into the

main
pond. The only problem I have, is my make-shift prefilter on my pump

gets
clogged and needs to be cleaned about once a week. However, the

prefilter
is necessary on the pump intake so that the pump doesn't get clogged

which
is a much bigger job cleaning. Any suggestions for a good pump

prefilter?


Hi Dan,
I use a slotted planting basket filled with bioballs, put in
the pump and then put all into a meshed laundry basket (with
a slide closure). Then I lower the laundry basket into the
pond. It is easy to raise, just get a pole and hook the
rope closure. I rarely have to clean this filter. Others
have filled the basket with lava rocks, but I found them too
heavy.

--
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NJ






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Old 05-02-2003, 11:15 AM
Howard
 
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It is better to pump the water after it passes through the last filter.
Gravity feed all the filters and then pump the clean water back to
the ponds.

Howard
"Dan" wrote in message
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My bottom drain and surface skimmer are gravity fed into the VF and then
pumped from the VF into a bio-filter where it then falls back into the

main
pond. The only problem I have, is my make-shift prefilter on my pump gets
clogged and needs to be cleaned about once a week. However, the prefilter
is necessary on the pump intake so that the pump doesn't get clogged which
is a much bigger job cleaning. Any suggestions for a good pump prefilter?


"BenignVanilla" wrote in
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"Dan" wrote in message
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My bottom drain empties into a settling/veggie pond and is pumped from

there
into a bio-filter where it falls back into the main pond. The pump

intake
from the settling/veggie pond is above the bottom of the main pond so

I
never risk emptying the main pond. Over this winter, I had a leak

somewhere
in my underground plumbing and my water level did drop but when it got

below
the intake of the pump, the pump just shut off.


That never occurred to me. I have been thinking the whole time I would

have
bottom drain to pump to VF. I guess I could have bottom drain to VF, to

pump
back to main pond. Does that make sense? Pump FROM the VF to the main

pond
where the BD is?

BV.






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Old 05-02-2003, 02:28 PM
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"Just Me "Koi"" wrote in message
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Should the pump fail, the backflow device will stop the water from the
biofilter from going back into my pond thru the bottom drain. With this
setup if your pump fails then there will be no backflow into the pond.


The backflow valve is only needed if the VF is above the pond right? If they
are at the same level, they should equalize, correct?

The pipe breakage issue is a different problem that can be corrected with

a
level switch similar to what you have in your fuel pump. Get this type of
switching device from your local plumbing supply store, connect the switch
to your pump. If the level goes below a predetermined level, then your

pump
will shut off. (I will do some research into this myself soon and will
report back to the group)


I'd love to hear what you find out.

BV.





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