alt.garden.pond.chat is the only pond group I can find my news server, so
I'm going to xpost this to alt.garden.pond.chat and my usual "home" group
rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish hoping to get some good advice from both
places...

Our lovely new home has a 5 x 8 nook in the back that just begs for a pond,
and we want to put in a nice little garden pond (say, 120 US gallons or so)
and possibly move some of our indoor goldfish into it. The main problem that
we see is that most of that area is in perpetual shade. In fact, one reason
we want to put a pond there is that even shade-tolerant grass won't grow in
that shady nook

(1) Is such a pond doomed from the start?

(2) If not, what garden pond plants will survive with only indirect light?

Thanks

--
John Goulden

"John D. Goulden" wrote:

alt.garden.pond.chat is the only pond group I can find my news server, so
I'm going to xpost this to alt.garden.pond.chat and my usual "home" group
rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish hoping to get some good advice from both
places...

You should also post to rec.ponds. Be warned however, that the group is
currently being spammed heavily so there is a huge amount of trash to sift
through. If you don't mind giving your killfile a work out you can get very
decent info there.

Our lovely new home has a 5 x 8 nook in the back that just begs for a pond,
and we want to put in a nice little garden pond (say, 120 US gallons or so)
and possibly move some of our indoor goldfish into it. The main problem that
we see is that most of that area is in perpetual shade. In fact, one reason
we want to put a pond there is that even shade-tolerant grass won't grow in
that shady nook

(1) Is such a pond doomed from the start?

No, just a bit limited. That's a pretty small pond, so maybe you could try
planting something like ferns over the pond rather than in it. You wouldn't
be able to plant things like water lilies though.


San Diego Joe
4,000 - 5,000 Gallons.
Goldfish, a RES named Colombo and an Oscar.

"We need to make a sacrifice to the pond gods, find me a young virgin... oh,
and bring something to kill"

John D. Goulden wrote:
alt.garden.pond.chat is the only pond group I can find my news server, so
I'm going to xpost this to alt.garden.pond.chat and my usual "home" group
rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish hoping to get some good advice from both
places...

Our lovely new home has a 5 x 8 nook in the back that just begs for a pond,
and we want to put in a nice little garden pond (say, 120 US gallons or so)
and possibly move some of our indoor goldfish into it. The main problem that
we see is that most of that area is in perpetual shade. In fact, one reason
we want to put a pond there is that even shade-tolerant grass won't grow in
that shady nook

(1) Is such a pond doomed from the start?

(2) If not, what garden pond plants will survive with only indirect light?

Thanks


I'm pretty new to ponds, but I don't think it would be doomed. You
won't have the sorts of algae problems that direct sun ponds have that
requires rapid plant growth. I also found a couple lists of plants that
do well in shade.
http://www.watergarden.com/pages/Pond-in-shade.html
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/p...ers/lily2.html

There are also these floating planters that say they can hold coleus and
impatiens. Even if you don't put the pond in, I've never had shade too
deep for impatiens, coleus, and tuberous begonias.
http://store.watergardenweb.com/12flispl.html

--
Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html '__
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

"John D. Goulden" wrote in message
...
alt.garden.pond.chat is the only pond group I can find my news server,

try Google Groups "rec.ponds."

so
I'm going to xpost this to alt.garden.pond.chat and my usual "home" group
rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish hoping to get some good advice from both
places...

Our lovely new home has a 5 x 8 nook in the back that just begs for a
pond, and we want to put in a nice little garden pond (say, 120 US gallons
or so) and possibly move some of our indoor goldfish into it. The main
problem that we see is that most of that area is in perpetual shade. In
fact, one reason we want to put a pond there is that even shade-tolerant
grass won't grow in that shady nook

(1) Is such a pond doomed from the start?

Does it get absolutely no light? I had a pond that was in a heavily shaded
back yard, but it did get a little bit of morning sun.


(2) If not, what garden pond plants will survive with only indirect light?

I don't remember now, but there are some shade tolerant plants. I had mine
surrounded with ferns and ivy on the outside. On the inside, I had grasses
plus a few other things...no lilies though. The lilies won't grow with no
light.

The good news is that algae control is a breeze...let me tell ya! I never
had any algae problem at all.


A

Angrie.Woman wrote:
"John D. Goulden" wrote in message
...

alt.garden.pond.chat is the only pond group I can find my news server,


try Google Groups "rec.ponds."

Sadly, rec.ponds is impossible to read without killfiles at the moment.

--
Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html '__
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

Hello John
I love the idea of the ferns i have used this idea before in tropical
Northern Territory Australia and hanging ferns too over the pond i had
orchids too.
If that little nook is just asking for a pond well you go ahead and try
it.
mostly plants will adapt but if you want your lillies to bloom you
really do need the sunshine i can picture it now with all the ferns
there are so many to choose from and like Elaine suggested impatiens
and bergonia (semi florins) for a splash of colour Gold fish will adapt
to the shaded water too.
ok hope i have you fired up let us know how you go.
Regards Pixie Western Australia

"John D. Goulden" wrote in message
...
alt.garden.pond.chat is the only pond group I can find my news server, so
I'm going to xpost this to alt.garden.pond.chat and my usual "home" group
rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish hoping to get some good advice from both
places...

Our lovely new home has a 5 x 8 nook in the back that just begs for a
pond, and we want to put in a nice little garden pond (say, 120 US gallons
or so) and possibly move some of our indoor goldfish into it. The main
problem that we see is that most of that area is in perpetual shade. In
fact, one reason we want to put a pond there is that even shade-tolerant
grass won't grow in that shady nook

(1) Is such a pond doomed from the start?

(2) If not, what garden pond plants will survive with only indirect light?

Thanks

--
John Goulden



Shaded ponds are great! The others have told you many nice shade plants that
will grow. I found that in 5, yes 5 years, I have never had a algae problem
in my
ponds on the porch, two150 gallon ones. This is the first year for a pond
in the
yard, a 300 gallon one, and I had tons of green algae, dust blowing in, and
birds
using the veggie filter, it is really a good thing I have ponds in the
shade, or I would
have given up on the yard one . It is finally coming around, and looking
nice now.
But..... WOW what a lot of work compaired to the porch ones.Good luck, and a
shade pond should be very easy to care for and you will enjoy it a lot, I am
sure.
KatAZ