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KOI $$$
~Roy~ wrote:
This is true, however the items you listed (appearing healthy, color, and environment) are not factors that determine the "quality" of a fish by any means. Its more of a factor to pay a bit extra for in terms of a mom and pop lfs vrs a fish kept in poor condiitons ala chain store shops, and uneducated associates......but its stil not an indication of quality in a fish....After all who would even consider keeping a big bucks koi in poor water........yet its commonly done, so yes, you can have top qualaity show quality koi kept in poor water and if yu know what your looking at and can spot and tell a quality koi and its in nasty water its still a quality koi..... Aahh...but now you are talking the difference between say a quality bred pedigree dog and a mongrel...or indeed a pedigree dog that does not have the classic features to win something like Crufts.....I once had a non-registered Irish Setter - the woman next door to my Mum's used to breed Cruft Champions (Irish Setters) - she took one look at the pup and told me exactly what line it had been bred from and that it was a quality dog and such a crime that I could not register her and breed from her....to me, she was a pet and I didn't have the faintest clue as a layman exactly the quality of dog I had - nor, obviously did the original breeder or that darn dog would have cost me an arm and a leg to buy and certainly would have been Kennel Club registered....most people don't keep or want to keep and breed the more expensive pedigree champion dogs or indeed fish.....so our judgement of quality is somewhat different..... Yes, if I was going to get into fish breeding seriously I would be more careful about the quality of the breeding pair.....in an environment where potentially more than one fish could father the offspring then you would make darned sure that all of your males were quality fish...but you wouldn't be hiking these fish down to your local store to sell the off-spring - you would be right there with the Champion Pedigree Dog breeders getting the best money that you could..... I dunno Gill, there was a big following and use of the rec.ponds group years back by foks that are big names in the koi world. I would not consider this mainly a hobbyist board......the reason most moved on is not due to trolls etc its due to exposure, and the abaility to make life easier to post and show pics all on the same board...With exposure probably being the largest factor that took them away.... Well, right now this is a group that we need to rebuild and lets all aspire to getting the quality of posts and harmony amongst one another here that will make this an attractive group for people such as you are describing to want to come and post - I very much doubt that you would disagree with me here.....BTW I do agree on the benefits of being able to post pics but it is a sad reality that most NSPs do not carry binary groups because of the demands on resources.... Most all true koi enthusiasts could care less about lilys or cat tails ;-)...and their ponds do not contain them. its all about fish....... You have reminded me of a "Mum" I met many years ago in a Mother and Toddler group when my oldest was of that age group (around 12 years ago) - I do sometimes still see her at school parent evenings.....Now, they were true fanatics...the entire garden was given up to what I can only describe as great Koi vats.....hardly a hint of green anywhere - even terrestrial plants - now these people were very serious about their hobby and their fish.....maybe, when I'm ready to move onto Koi I should make contact with them..... Lots of water gardeners could care less about fish, its all about plants, but rpm covers both and does it well.... It is to be hoped that rpm will fulfill everyone's expectations.....I am more of a gardener who also happens to love fish when it comes to the outdoor aspect of the hobby - the interior of my house is full to the brim with tanks.....a good group is one that can accomodate all without conflict.... ..but then again isn;t even those die hard koi keepers just pursuing a hobby anyhow, only at bigger $$$$ than most are willing to pay.........I had a list of folks that are big in the world of Koi that started off in these groups.......guess I need to see if I can find it...One fella "Blammo" is amaong the worlds leading usa based koi dealers and breeders.......another Gene is right up there as well.......and there is quite a few judges that started off right here as well......Guess the age of USENET and it being among the first to actually provide a viable means of communicating was a natural until graphics and webp pages became more common place and then the advent of web based forums... Maybe you could influence such experts to occassionally post here....now that would really be a great feather in our caps.....and to the benefit of all..... Exactly thats why I buy whatever I can from the local LFS here and leave the chain store places until last resort if possible. I tend to view Petco as "Deathco" and petsmart as a petslaugherhouse.......I have very little use for them espeically if it comes to buying livestock........ Well....maybe both you and I (and some others) are lucky enough to have that choice and be able to indulge our "best practice discrimination" in terms of retailers....others might not have quite as much cash (not that I do and I can't make any assumptions about your disposable income)......in reality I see buying cheap fish with inherent risks as a bit of a false economy and I'm not saying that going to more specialised places means that you won't fall foul of sick fish or have one die on you as it hits the water but it is a slight insurance policy and a good LFS will always make amends when the customer is not to blame - and sometimes will do so nonetheless to preserve the custom - although hopefully a responsible one will take the approach that mine does and refuse to give them anymore fish until they sort out their water quality issues - as I said - you pay a bit extra for good customer service but IMO it is worth every penny.... Gill ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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