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Complete newbie here. Glad I found this group
I am a fish freak...into Freshwater aquariums mostly (Malawi's). Until now, that is a couple of weeks ago when we moved into our new place WITH A GARDEN.....yahooooo. Our garden is pretty small but I have always wanted a pond. Can someone please point me to a website or some place of interest to a person who is "setting up" for the first time. Would it be better to buy a fibreglass pond and just plant into the ground or is it better to go the full blown plastering/wire mesh route. Pro's Cons? Any pointers on where to start would be most appreciated. TIA |
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... Complete newbie here. Glad I found this group I am a fish freak...into Freshwater aquariums mostly (Malawi's). Until now, that is a couple of weeks ago when we moved into our new place WITH A GARDEN.....yahooooo. Our garden is pretty small but I have always wanted a pond. Can someone please point me to a website or some place of interest to a person who is "setting up" for the first time. Would it be better to buy a fibreglass pond and just plant into the ground or is it better to go the full blown plastering/wire mesh route. Pro's Cons? Any pointers on where to start would be most appreciated. TIA Cam, Welcome to the "Hotel California" of hobbies. You have just checked in. I too am a newbie, having checked in only last September. My pond is but a muddy hole right now. My best suggestions for learning ponding: 1. Post every question you have here, no matter how newbie you think it might be. Everyone here is happy to respond, and I have personally seen the same questions asked/answered over and over again, nary the flame. 2. Read a lot of posts. Most every ponder has a web site about his/her pond. You can learn more from their sites, IMHO, then any book, because they are DOING. As for you pond liner...I am going with EPDM for mine, easier to work with then all other materials. BV. |
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BenignVanilla,....LOL.....Nice nik!
Thanks for your advice. My next "noobie" question to you is: What on earth is EPDM? Sheesh its going to be long winter for me!!!! :)) Over & Out "BenignVanilla" wrote in message ... "Cam" wrote in message ... Complete newbie here. Glad I found this group I am a fish freak...into Freshwater aquariums mostly (Malawi's). Until now, that is a couple of weeks ago when we moved into our new place WITH A GARDEN.....yahooooo. Our garden is pretty small but I have always wanted a pond. Can someone please point me to a website or some place of interest to a person who is "setting up" for the first time. Would it be better to buy a fibreglass pond and just plant into the ground or is it better to go the full blown plastering/wire mesh route. Pro's Cons? Any pointers on where to start would be most appreciated. TIA Cam, Welcome to the "Hotel California" of hobbies. You have just checked in. I too am a newbie, having checked in only last September. My pond is but a muddy hole right now. My best suggestions for learning ponding: 1. Post every question you have here, no matter how newbie you think it might be. Everyone here is happy to respond, and I have personally seen the same questions asked/answered over and over again, nary the flame. 2. Read a lot of posts. Most every ponder has a web site about his/her pond. You can learn more from their sites, IMHO, then any book, because they are DOING. As for you pond liner...I am going with EPDM for mine, easier to work with then all other materials. BV. |
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... BenignVanilla,....LOL.....Nice nik! Thanks for your advice. My next "noobie" question to you is: What on earth is EPDM? Sheesh its going to be long winter for me!!!! :)) Over & Out snip There are basically four methods for lining your pond. 1. Don't...some areas have such a high content of clay in the soil, that the ground will hold water forever. No liner is needed. I do not know anyone with such a pond. I suspect this is so because even the most hard rock ground will leak eventually, and I am sure the natural surface will leach in to the water, clouding the water itself. 2. Cement - Pronounced Seeeeee-ment, if you are from some parts of MD, Con-Crete if you are from Jersey. Cement is often is used in warmer climes where the heaving of a freezing/thawing ground does not occur on a regular basis. This type of base is more one of the more difficult methods of lining a pond, because you need some mason skills. Many See-ment pond owners have mentioned that leaks are a part of life when you own a See-ment pond. Some ponders have reported no leaks. I suspect the disparity is geographical. 3. Solid Plastic Shells - These are very common in stores, and can give you a quick clean finish. The biggest problem with these liners, is you have to dig a hole that matches the shell. I have not done this, hope never to do so. 4. EPDM - EPDM is a type of flexible, rubber liner. It is recommended for ponds, as it can take the abuse of constant UV radiation from the sun. It's easy to lay down in any hole, and can be expanded by "welding" two pieces together. It provides ultimate flexibility with a good price! BV. |
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Permalon beats the hell out of handling EDPM. I have a 300 gallon
EDPM (rubber) and 1000 gallon Permalon and the Permalon installation was much easier. EPDM is about .040 thick and the Permalon is about .021 thick and stronger than the rubber. You do have to plan ahead because Permalon is made to order then shipped, not cut from a roll. Ken sells Permalon and provides a lot of good information here. He can be contacted at: http://www.kencofish.com/ I think there is more information on Permalon he http://www.justliners.com/Permalon.htm Several people who post here have URL's to their pond experience in their signature. Check them out and you will probably find enough information on starting a pond. Regards, Hal On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:35:06 -0500, "BenignVanilla" wrote: As for you pond liner...I am going with EPDM for mine, easier to work with then all other materials. BV. |
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"Hal" wrote in message
... Permalon beats the hell out of handling EDPM. I have a 300 gallon EDPM (rubber) and 1000 gallon Permalon and the Permalon installation was much easier. EPDM is about .040 thick and the Permalon is about .021 thick and stronger than the rubber. You do have to plan ahead because Permalon is made to order then shipped, not cut from a roll. Hal...great follow up...tell me more about permalon...I have never heard of it! BV. |
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Cam wrote:
BenignVanilla,....LOL.....Nice nik! Thanks for your advice. My next "noobie" question to you is: What on earth is EPDM? Sheesh its going to be long winter for me!!!! :)) Over & Out A flexible rubber liner, available in 45 mil thickness usually. -- Bonnie NJ |
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BenignVanilla wrote:
"Hal" wrote in message ... Permalon beats the hell out of handling EDPM. I have a 300 gallon EDPM (rubber) and 1000 gallon Permalon and the Permalon installation was much easier. EPDM is about .040 thick and the Permalon is about .021 thick and stronger than the rubber. You do have to plan ahead because Permalon is made to order then shipped, not cut from a roll. Hal...great follow up...tell me more about permalon...I have never heard of it! BV. Hi, Not Hal, but I've got a 10 x 14 x 2' pond with 65 mil EDPM and a 8 x 16 x 44" pond with Permalon. The permalon is definitely lighter and much easier to fold or pleat because it is stiff. The EDPM is softer and will mold more easily. Permalon is cheaper to buy and also cheaper for shipping. -- Bonnie NJ |
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BenignVanilla wrote: "Hal" wrote in message ... Permalon beats the hell out of handling EDPM. I have a 300 gallon EDPM (rubber) and 1000 gallon Permalon and the Permalon installation was much easier. EPDM is about .040 thick and the Permalon is about .021 thick and stronger than the rubber. You do have to plan ahead because Permalon is made to order then shipped, not cut from a roll. Hal...great follow up...tell me more about permalon...I have never heard of it! BV. BV just for info I did a earlyer pond w EPDM 30x30 weighed in at 500+ lbs the same pond w Permalon weighed in at 60 lbs permalon is much easyer to handle can be seamed etc see kens website www.kenco.com he can answer all lyour questions about it. -- John Rutz I'm not Porg am not am not am so see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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BenignVanilla wrote:
"Hal" wrote in message ... Permalon beats the hell out of handling EDPM. I have a 300 gallon EDPM (rubber) and 1000 gallon Permalon and the Permalon installation was much easier. EPDM is about .040 thick and the Permalon is about .021 thick and stronger than the rubber. You do have to plan ahead because Permalon is made to order then shipped, not cut from a roll. Hal...great follow up...tell me more about permalon...I have never heard of it! BV. Permalon X210 is 21 mil thick and 5-6x's stronger than EPDM. it is custom cut/sized up to 1 acre sq. :) its made from HDPE plastic, safe for potable/drinking water. Permalon weighs 70 lbs per 1000 sq ft vs. 450 lbs. for EDPM, you could never do this w/ EDPM unless you had a few cranes ;) http://www.kencofish.com/permalon.jpg -- http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold, 401-781-9642 cell 401-225-0556 Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators Shipping to legal states/countries only! Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps Please Note: No trees or animals were harmed in the sending of this contaminant free message We do concede that a signicant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced. |
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Good, thorough reply, BV! "You have learned well," "Young PORGer."
**mixing my metaphors, ... er ..., scifi movies / series / etc.** -- Kathy B, "zookeeper" (OR) Completely PORGed (see archives) 3500gal pond BenignVanilla wrote: "Cam" wrote in message ... BenignVanilla,....LOL.....Nice nik! Thanks for your advice. My next "noobie" question to you is: What on earth is EPDM? .... There are basically four methods for lining your pond. ... |
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"John Rutz" wrote in message
... snip BV just for info I did a earlyer pond w EPDM 30x30 weighed in at 500+ lbs the same pond w Permalon weighed in at 60 lbs permalon is much easyer to handle can be seamed etc see kens website www.kenco.com he can answer all lyour questions about it. What's the cost difference? BV. |
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"zookeeper" wrote in message ... Good, thorough reply, BV! "You have learned well," "Young PORGer." **mixing my metaphors, ... er ..., scifi movies / series / etc.** -- Kathy B, "zookeeper" (OR) Completely PORGed (see archives) 3500gal pond Aww, thanks. One of these days I'll admit I still don't know what PORG means, but not now. BV. |
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There is a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) at http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html. This will have many of the answers, but all on rec.ponds are willing to help. Don't let the fact that we disagree in our responses bother you. Each of us have different experiences. Take what you think is the best and go. We don't hold grudges when you do it your way. Welcome to the group. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "Cam" wrote in message ... Complete newbie here. Glad I found this group I am a fish freak...into Freshwater aquariums mostly (Malawi's). Until now, that is a couple of weeks ago when we moved into our new place WITH A GARDEN.....yahooooo. Our garden is pretty small but I have always wanted a pond. Can someone please point me to a website or some place of interest to a person who is "setting up" for the first time. Would it be better to buy a fibreglass pond and just plant into the ground or is it better to go the full blown plastering/wire mesh route. Pro's Cons? Any pointers on where to start would be most appreciated. TIA |
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BenignVanilla wrote:
"John Rutz" wrote in message ... snip BV just for info I did a earlyer pond w EPDM 30x30 weighed in at 500+ lbs the same pond w Permalon weighed in at 60 lbs permalon is much easyer to handle can be seamed etc see kens website www.kenco.com he can answer all lyour questions about it. What's the cost difference? BV. I just checked the price of EDPM, 45 mil thick, 30' x 30' would be $699 plus $35 shipping. I don't know the current price of permalon. -- Bonnie NJ |
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Bonnie Espenshade wrote:
BenignVanilla wrote: "John Rutz" wrote in message ... snip BV just for info I did a earlyer pond w EPDM 30x30 weighed in at 500+ lbs the same pond w Permalon weighed in at 60 lbs permalon is much easyer to handle can be seamed etc see kens website www.kenco.com he can answer all lyour questions about it. What's the cost difference? BV. I just checked the price of EDPM, 45 mil thick, 30' x 30' would be $699 plus $35 shipping. I don't know the current price of permalon. Try this place: http://www.justliners.com/cgi-bin/mi...creen=CTGY&Sto re_Code=JLI&Category_Code=EPDM+PondGard It was $405 plus shipping. (It's where I bought mine, I don't rememebr how much shipping was, but it wasn't too bad. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:01:46 -0500, "BenignVanilla"
wrote: "Hal" wrote in message .. . Permalon beats the hell out of handling EDPM. I have a 300 gallon EDPM (rubber) and 1000 gallon Permalon and the Permalon installation was much easier. EPDM is about .040 thick and the Permalon is about .021 thick and stronger than the rubber. You do have to plan ahead because Permalon is made to order then shipped, not cut from a roll. Hal...great follow up...tell me more about permalon...I have never heard of it! http://www.kencofish.com/hardgood.htm and search the page Ctrl+F for Permalon. Ken picked up on the thread, I'm just a user he can tell you more than I can. Regards, Hal |
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You might try ultraguard http://www.justliners.com/ultraguard2.htm it is
$.040 a sq ft & light...I bought a 25X40 it weighed 140lbs, delivered by ups & has a 20 yr warranty...I installed it when it was 20 outside and was still flexible....I think it is pretty good stuff....take a look. I am no way affiliated with just liners in fact....I think there site is kinda slow and funky :-) but I like the liner. "Hal" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:01:46 -0500, "BenignVanilla" wrote: "Hal" wrote in message .. . Permalon beats the hell out of handling EDPM. I have a 300 gallon EDPM (rubber) and 1000 gallon Permalon and the Permalon installation was much easier. EPDM is about .040 thick and the Permalon is about .021 thick and stronger than the rubber. You do have to plan ahead because Permalon is made to order then shipped, not cut from a roll. Hal...great follow up...tell me more about permalon...I have never heard of it! http://www.kencofish.com/hardgood.htm and search the page Ctrl+F for Permalon. Ken picked up on the thread, I'm just a user he can tell you more than I can. Regards, Hal |
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Bob H wrote:
You might try ultraguard http://www.justliners.com/ultraguard2.htm it is $.040 a sq ft & light...I bought a 25X40 it weighed 140lbs, delivered by ups & has a 20 yr warranty...I installed it when it was 20 outside and was still flexible....I think it is pretty good stuff....take a look. I am no way affiliated with just liners in fact....I think there site is kinda slow and funky :-) but I like the liner. dont be decieved by a "manuf. defect warranty", they are hard to collect on as it has to be a defect from the manuf. process. Permalon has a 1 yr. unconditional warranty and Ive had no problems getting new liners even for drilling a hole through ice and liner, a liner eating lawn mower!! and unfolding it in a driveway and a car running it over. -- http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold, 401-781-9642 cell 401-225-0556 Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators Shipping to legal states/countries only! Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps Please Note: No trees or animals were harmed in the sending of this contaminant free message We do concede that a signicant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced. |
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From one fish freak (five large aquariums - Tanganykians - and two ponds) to
another, welcome to this group. For us, the difference in setting up the plastic preformed pond shells ( http://icanhelp56.homestead.com/Pond01.html ) vs. the Permalon liner ( from JustLiners.com) ( http://icanhelp56.homestead.com/NewPondStart.html ) was the location, size, and landscape of what we wanted to do. The front yard was a small triangular patch of grass that I got tired of mowing. We could have put in a liner but then we would not have been able to landscape around the water features as much as we wanted to. In the back yard, I just wanted to put in a LARGE water garden (note: there are a few fish but this is mostly for my lilies and lotus) to experiment with differing plant types. For us, they have both worked out very well for our needs. And all the animals seem to love the attraction. gds Harpers Ferry, WV Pop-up camper FOR SALE: http://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/Camper001.html "Cam" wrote in message ... Complete newbie here. Glad I found this group I am a fish freak...into Freshwater aquariums mostly (Malawi's). Until now, that is a couple of weeks ago when we moved into our new place WITH A GARDEN.....yahooooo. Our garden is pretty small but I have always wanted a pond. Can someone please point me to a website or some place of interest to a person who is "setting up" for the first time. Would it be better to buy a fibreglass pond and just plant into the ground or is it better to go the full blown plastering/wire mesh route. Pro's Cons? Any pointers on where to start would be most appreciated. TIA |
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My choice is the liner. I am going to use 2 preformed for my bog area
witch will dump in a stream that will flow in to main pond. Just build it big cause after your done you will always want a bigger one. http://community.webtv.net/rebeljoe/POND |
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:57:34 -0500, KenCo wrote:
Permalon weighs 70 lbs per 1000 sq ft vs. 450 lbs. for EDPM, you could never do this w/ EDPM unless you had a few cranes ;) Yea, the cranes show up later and they're never helpful. ;o) ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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Aww, thanks. One of these days I'll admit I still don't know what PORG
means, but not now. BV. The Borg said: "We are _Borg_ resistant is futile, you will be assimilated." The Porg say: "We are _Porg_, resistant IS futile, you will be pond-elated." P - Pond, O - Oriented, R - Recreational, G - Group ~ jan See my ponds and filter designs: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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ROFLMAO Hey this group is full of nutters. Just what I like :) Thanks for the responses and faq........Guess I better start doing some research then. Everyone have a wonderful week... Will post more questions when I run into a research rutt :) Laters "RichToyBox" wrote in message news:Kapca.79547$eG2.12766@sccrnsc03... There is a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) at http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html. This will have many of the answers, but all on rec.ponds are willing to help. Don't let the fact that we disagree in our responses bother you. Each of us have different experiences. Take what you think is the best and go. We don't hold grudges when you do it your way. Welcome to the group. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "Cam" wrote in message ... Complete newbie here. Glad I found this group I am a fish freak...into Freshwater aquariums mostly (Malawi's). Until now, that is a couple of weeks ago when we moved into our new place WITH A GARDEN.....yahooooo. Our garden is pretty small but I have always wanted a pond. Can someone please point me to a website or some place of interest to a person who is "setting up" for the first time. Would it be better to buy a fibreglass pond and just plant into the ground or is it better to go the full blown plastering/wire mesh route. Pro's Cons? Any pointers on where to start would be most appreciated. TIA |
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BenignVanilla wrote:
"Cam" wrote in message ... BenignVanilla,....LOL.....Nice nik! Thanks for your advice. My next "noobie" question to you is: What on earth is EPDM? Sheesh its going to be long winter for me!!!! :)) Over & Out snip There are basically four methods for lining your pond. 1. Don't...some areas have such a high content of clay in the soil, that the ground will hold water forever. No liner is needed. I do not know anyone with such a pond. I suspect this is so because even the most hard rock ground will leak eventually, and I am sure the natural surface will leach in to the water, clouding the water itself. snip Let me introduce myself :) I have a clay pond...well almost as it is still in the development stages. I also have three preforomed ponds and a cement pond. I like the clay pond best...but I reserve the right to change my mind. I am into natural wildlife ponds and the clay pond looks the most natural. I needed a few ponds right away to rescue some tadpoles from a shallow concrete pond. The preformed ponds were the fastest and easiest way to get some water in the ground. The preformed ponds worked as a quick fix as about 500 tadpoles grew up to be frogs. I rarely see the frogs but I know they are there as it is once again mating season and they are music to the ears. I note two drawbacks to the preforms for wildlife ponds. They have steep sides. Several lizards have drown as they can get in but they can't get out. To solve this problem the sides are now draped with logs and bark ramps. (Does anyone know how to keep honey bees from drowning in ponds?) Also rocks are piled on the inside of the pond near the edge. The second drawback is the look. I haven't been able to make them look natural. The cement pond came with the property. I find no fault with the cement pond. It doesn't leak. I will eventually replace it as it is the wrong size and shape. Back to the clay pond. This pond was dug first. The intent was not to make a clay pond...either cement or EPDM. However the hole just sits there and fills with water when it rains. The water lasts for about three weeks. The upper eighteen inches is a rather porous sandy soil. However the deeper parts of the pond are clay. This pond just looks a lot more natural than any of the other ponds so I have to make it work I bought some bentonite clay to mix in the upper surface of the pond to help seal it. However the bentonite (drilling mud) sits in the bag because I changed my mind. Bentonite is very expansive when wet. It also contracts when it drys. The clay wildlife pond has dramatic changes in depth. Bentonite clay is best if it is kept wet. So now the plan is to use native clay as it is the only source of clay I have. It also seems to be rather stable as I do not note cracks in the pond as it dries in its cycles. I consider the seepage beneficial. This helps mitigate the mineral buildup which results from evaporation. The sealed ponds require water removal/replacement to counteract the mineral buildup. This year I will have to extend the life of the clay pond beyond the rainy season. There are a number of Pacific Tree Frogs that are croaking near the pond....tadpoles soon to follow:) However once the little fellows hop away the pond will be allowed to dry. Modifications to shape and size will be made in the off season. This is difficult to do with lined ponds...cement...EPDM...preforms. The water is very murky now. This is because the pond was filled with runoff. Given time the mud settles. Over time the pond will be linked with several other ponds and streams. The streams will be concrete or EPDM or equal lined as clay is not suited to moving water. I suppose one could place six inches of sand and then some rock over a clay bed. However liners seem a lot easier....oops...gotta watch out for the easy stuff as I may end up with un-natural looking streams :) Got any native toad tadpoles??..North County San Diego Zeuspaul |
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 03:49:57 GMT, Zeuspaul
wrote: I note two drawbacks to the preforms for wildlife ponds. They have steep sides. Several lizards have drown as they can get in but they can't get out. To solve this problem the sides are now draped with logs and bark ramps. (Does anyone know how to keep honey bees from drowning in ponds?) Also rocks are piled on the inside of the pond near the edge. The second drawback is the look. I haven't been able to make them look natural. Do you have a picture of this? ·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) jammer ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- ((¸¸ |
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Bill wrote: "Zeuspaul" wrote : (Does anyone know how to keep honey bees from drowning in ponds?) leaves - peices of bark etc in/on water the bees can climb on to dry off -- John Rutz I'm not Porg am not am not am so see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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jammer wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 03:49:57 GMT, Zeuspaul wrote: I note two drawbacks to the preforms for wildlife ponds. They have steep sides. Several lizards have drown as they can get in but they can't get out. To solve this problem the sides are now draped with logs and bark ramps. (Does anyone know how to keep honey bees from drowning in ponds?) Also rocks are piled on the inside of the pond near the edge. The second drawback is the look. I haven't been able to make them look natural. Do you have a picture of this? ·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) jammer ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- ((¸¸ I'll take a few this weekend and load them up somewhere sometime next week. I would rather wait until the ponds are more photogenic...but since you asked.... Zeuspaul |
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:51:15 GMT, Zeuspaul
wrote: I'll take a few this weekend and load them up somewhere sometime next week. I would rather wait until the ponds are more photogenic...but since you asked.... Zeuspaul Well, i have a preformed, and am trying like heck to make it look as natural as possible. I have creeping jenny growing from outside hanging inside for a critter ramp, (in the middle) pond grass growing on one side and ivy on the other. I considered rocks but didn't know how anything would get out of the pond. I wanted to see what you did. Thanks. ·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) jammer ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- ((¸¸ |
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Best advice is make it big or you will always want more. http://community.webtv.net/rebeljoe/POND |
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jammer wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:51:15 GMT, Zeuspaul wrote: I'll take a few this weekend and load them up somewhere sometime next week. I would rather wait until the ponds are more photogenic...but since you asked.... Zeuspaul Well, i have a preformed, and am trying like heck to make it look as natural as possible. I have creeping jenny growing from outside hanging inside for a critter ramp, (in the middle) pond grass growing on one side and ivy on the other. I considered rocks but didn't know how anything would get out of the pond. I wanted to see what you did. Thanks. ·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) jammer ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- ((¸¸ Six to twelve inch rocks are stacked on the ledges until they break water near the edge of the pond. In the deeper parts of the pond I fill a five gallon black nursery pot with smaller rocks for stability. Then I place a few larger rocks on top such that half of the rock is above the water. If I have a large piece of bark available it is used as a ramp between the rock and the edge of the pond. Frogs like to hide under the bark. Also if the bark dips into the water the frogs use it to lay eggs on. The lizards can leap short distances. They also can swim short distances. However they can not climb out of the pond if it has a steep edge. Half submerged rocks near the edge of the pond allow them to climb out of the water. Then they can leap to safety. Zeuspaul |
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