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Old 08-04-2003, 04:20 PM
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I'm looking for any suggestions for an above-ground indoor pond.

Our constraints:
The room we are using has a solid concrete floor and we have a space
about 10'*8' and would like the pond wall to be 24" to 36" high (36"
seems to be a max height for comfortable sitting, I am concerned that
water less than 24" deep will get too warm in the summer).
We don't want to do anything permanent, so no mortar or concrete if it
can possibly be avoided.
We have dogs & cats that are very inquisitive. I'm more than a little
concerned about the effects of a ripped liner indoors.

Here are my thoughts so far:

Flexible liner
This seems to give the most flexible design, but the drawbacks I see
are the potential for a tear and making sure it doesn't collapse.
I've thought of 2 solutions to holding the pond together:
1) stacking retaining wall blocks, but I'm not sure these would hold
the pressure of a deep pond,
2) building a wooden box from green-treat 2*x's with 4*4 corner
posts. I think the wooden box would be stronger, but would it be
strong enough?

Pre-form
I haven't been able to find any large (150g) pre-form ponds in this
area and would like something around 500g or larger. I've seen that
these are available elsewhere and I'm looking on the internet.
Anybody got any suggestions? The small ones are too shallow and I'm
concerned about the strength of the larger ones (retaining wall
problem again). I've also looked at stock tanks which are
free-standing so no retaining wall problem. However, there is the
shape to think about. Whatever I get has to fit through a door, so
the 8'*8' is out and the 6'*6'*2' is at the very low end of the size I
would like to get to (around 400g). Also, my local farm supply stores
carry bright colors rather than black.

Stock Tank + liner
A perfectly round tank is also not very creative, but the only method
I have come up with so far for tapping off the tank to a bog garden or
cascade is to line it and use the liner above the edges of the tank.
The sides of the tank would provide the support to hold the pond
together and the liner would give flexibility in designing shallow
areas. Problems with this one are expense and the same problem with
pets possibly tearing the lining.

Has anybody on the group tackled a problem like this before, or have
ideas or suggestions that I could incorporate? Any help greatly
appreciated.

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Old 08-04-2003, 05:20 PM
DawgMichelle
 
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Pre-form
I haven't been able to find any large (150g) pre-form ponds in this
area and would like something around 500g or larger. I've seen that
these are available elsewhere and I'm looking on the internet.
Anybody got any suggestions?


I'm not sure where you are, but Sam's Clubs in the Dayton, Ohio area have a 600
gallon pre-form pond for $105. Their display ponds are set into a wooden frame
covered in something like astroturf. Good luck!
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Old 08-04-2003, 07:08 PM
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i use a stock tank in my limited size backyard. it is 300 gal, approx. it is
bright blue, but i don't mind that. i got it at a feed store. i have
loose-stacked old bricks around it because in our hot sun, any way to keep
the sun off the pond withought blocking it to the plants is a good thing.
and it's prettier. i had a birdbath custom-made with a hole up the center so
i could run tubing from the pump through it. the pump lifts the water up
into the bowl of the birdbath, it fills the bowl and runs off the sides,
adding sound and motion to the pond. it aerates the water for the fish and
brings nutrients up to the watercress that is growing in the bowl.
hopefully, the watercress roots help clean the water for the fish. at least,
that was the general idea...
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From: (Gary)
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Date: 8 Apr 2003 08:05:27 -0700
Subject: Help request: Designing above ground indoor pond

I'm looking for any suggestions for an above-ground indoor pond.

Our constraints:
The room we are using has a solid concrete floor and we have a space
about 10'*8' and would like the pond wall to be 24" to 36" high (36"
seems to be a max height for comfortable sitting, I am concerned that
water less than 24" deep will get too warm in the summer).
We don't want to do anything permanent, so no mortar or concrete if it
can possibly be avoided.
We have dogs & cats that are very inquisitive. I'm more than a little
concerned about the effects of a ripped liner indoors.

Here are my thoughts so far:

Flexible liner
This seems to give the most flexible design, but the drawbacks I see
are the potential for a tear and making sure it doesn't collapse.
I've thought of 2 solutions to holding the pond together:
1) stacking retaining wall blocks, but I'm not sure these would hold
the pressure of a deep pond,
2) building a wooden box from green-treat 2*x's with 4*4 corner
posts. I think the wooden box would be stronger, but would it be
strong enough?

Pre-form
I haven't been able to find any large (150g) pre-form ponds in this
area and would like something around 500g or larger. I've seen that
these are available elsewhere and I'm looking on the internet.
Anybody got any suggestions? The small ones are too shallow and I'm
concerned about the strength of the larger ones (retaining wall
problem again). I've also looked at stock tanks which are
free-standing so no retaining wall problem. However, there is the
shape to think about. Whatever I get has to fit through a door, so
the 8'*8' is out and the 6'*6'*2' is at the very low end of the size I
would like to get to (around 400g). Also, my local farm supply stores
carry bright colors rather than black.

Stock Tank + liner
A perfectly round tank is also not very creative, but the only method
I have come up with so far for tapping off the tank to a bog garden or
cascade is to line it and use the liner above the edges of the tank.
The sides of the tank would provide the support to hold the pond
together and the liner would give flexibility in designing shallow
areas. Problems with this one are expense and the same problem with
pets possibly tearing the lining.

Has anybody on the group tackled a problem like this before, or have
ideas or suggestions that I could incorporate? Any help greatly
appreciated.




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Old 08-04-2003, 07:20 PM
Tom L. La Bron
 
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Gary,

Here are two websites that may get you started
doing your project.
http://www.aquariacentral.com/diy/pond1.shtml
http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/ourpond/Indoor_Pond.h
tm

HTH

Tom L.L.
"Gary" wrote in message

om...
I'm looking for any suggestions for an

above-ground indoor pond.

Our constraints:
The room we are using has a solid concrete floor

and we have a space
about 10'*8' and would like the pond wall to be

24" to 36" high (36"
seems to be a max height for comfortable

sitting, I am concerned that
water less than 24" deep will get too warm in

the summer).
We don't want to do anything permanent, so no

mortar or concrete if it
can possibly be avoided.
We have dogs & cats that are very inquisitive.

I'm more than a little
concerned about the effects of a ripped liner

indoors.

Here are my thoughts so far:

Flexible liner
This seems to give the most flexible design, but

the drawbacks I see
are the potential for a tear and making sure it

doesn't collapse.
I've thought of 2 solutions to holding the pond

together:
1) stacking retaining wall blocks, but I'm not

sure these would hold
the pressure of a deep pond,
2) building a wooden box from green-treat 2*x's

with 4*4 corner
posts. I think the wooden box would be

stronger, but would it be
strong enough?

Pre-form
I haven't been able to find any large (150g)

pre-form ponds in this
area and would like something around 500g or

larger. I've seen that
these are available elsewhere and I'm looking on

the internet.
Anybody got any suggestions? The small ones are

too shallow and I'm
concerned about the strength of the larger ones

(retaining wall
problem again). I've also looked at stock tanks

which are
free-standing so no retaining wall problem.

However, there is the
shape to think about. Whatever I get has to fit

through a door, so
the 8'*8' is out and the 6'*6'*2' is at the very

low end of the size I
would like to get to (around 400g). Also, my

local farm supply stores
carry bright colors rather than black.

Stock Tank + liner
A perfectly round tank is also not very

creative, but the only method
I have come up with so far for tapping off the

tank to a bog garden or
cascade is to line it and use the liner above

the edges of the tank.
The sides of the tank would provide the support

to hold the pond
together and the liner would give flexibility in

designing shallow
areas. Problems with this one are expense and

the same problem with
pets possibly tearing the lining.

Has anybody on the group tackled a problem like

this before, or have
ideas or suggestions that I could incorporate?

Any help greatly
appreciated.



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Old 08-04-2003, 07:44 PM
DawgMichelle
 
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Hi, I mentioned the pre-form at Sam's Club for $105....only problem is...it's
only 125 gallons. (I thought it was 600, but that the gph of the pump!! Pays
to read instead of just getting excited!) Sorry about the error.


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Old 15-04-2003, 05:44 PM
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Pre-form
I haven't been able to find any large (150g) pre-form ponds in this
area and would like something around 500g or larger. I've seen that


Lowes has a 270 gallon preformed pond, thats where we got ours. It was around
$300. They have one that is I think 300 gallons also, but it doesn't have
plant shelves. I don't know what the cost of it was.
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Old 15-04-2003, 08:08 PM
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Pinkpggy wrote:
Pre-form
I haven't been able to find any large (150g) pre-form ponds in this
area and would like something around 500g or larger. I've seen that



Lowes has a 270 gallon preformed pond, thats where we got ours. It was around
$300. They have one that is I think 300 gallons also, but it doesn't have
plant shelves. I don't know what the cost of it was.



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have you thought of following Mads example and going with a stock tank?
a farm supply store should have a rubbermaid 300 g for close to 200.00,
even comes with a drain plug.




John Rutz

the green is grassing the leaves are treeing
I'm happy

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

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Old 15-04-2003, 08:32 PM
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the actual rubbermaid brand is often about $1/gallon--depends on the store.
mine was another brand (name escapes me at this time) and i was at the right
place at the right time. go to your local farm/ranch supply stores and
become familiar with what they carry. perhaps you can do what i did--cry and
whine about how you want to make a pond and need something cheap. LOL i made
the guy at one store my friend and he had this tank to sell because he was
closing out this particular line of tanks. he sold it to me for nearly half
price.

mad

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From: John Rutz
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:52:56 -0600
Subject: Help request: Designing above ground indoor pond



Pinkpggy wrote:
Pre-form
I haven't been able to find any large (150g) pre-form ponds in this
area and would like something around 500g or larger. I've seen that



Lowes has a 270 gallon preformed pond, thats where we got ours. It was around
$300. They have one that is I think 300 gallons also, but it doesn't have
plant shelves. I don't know what the cost of it was.




have you thought of following Mads example and going with a stock tank?
a farm supply store should have a rubbermaid 300 g for close to 200.00,
even comes with a drain plug.


John Rutz

the green is grassing the leaves are treeing
I'm happy

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com




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