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Something is going on with my plants. They have been doing wonderful, blooming and really green. I have been busy all week at work and have not had time to go out to the pond except in the evenings and that just to throw some food in for the gang. Today I went out and I really have noticed all my plants have like a brown outline on the leaves, like their burnt? But I haven't put anything in the water and its been partly cloudy here. Anybody know whats going on? -- Priss http://priss31.tripod.com/SmallPond.html |
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This could be salt burn, either salt in the pond or over fertilizing. If
neither of those fit.... What kind of water do you use to top off your pond? Treated tap, irrigation, well? Do you practical water change-outs? ~ jan On Fri, 16 May 2003 06:30:20 -0400, "Priscilla McCullough" wrote: Something is going on with my plants. They have been doing wonderful, blooming and really green. I have been busy all week at work and have not had time to go out to the pond except in the evenings and that just to throw some food in for the gang. Today I went out and I really have noticed all my plants have like a brown outline on the leaves, like their burnt? But I haven't put anything in the water and its been partly cloudy here. Anybody know whats going on? See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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I have soft water from a water treatment thingie. Removes all clorine and
stuff. Don't use salt. I only did one water change and that was last month when I cleaned the pond out. Priss "~ jan" wrote in message ... This could be salt burn, either salt in the pond or over fertilizing. If neither of those fit.... What kind of water do you use to top off your pond? Treated tap, irrigation, well? Do you practical water change-outs? ~ jan On Fri, 16 May 2003 06:30:20 -0400, "Priscilla McCullough" wrote: Something is going on with my plants. They have been doing wonderful, blooming and really green. I have been busy all week at work and have not had time to go out to the pond except in the evenings and that just to throw some food in for the gang. Today I went out and I really have noticed all my plants have like a brown outline on the leaves, like their burnt? But I haven't put anything in the water and its been partly cloudy here. Anybody know whats going on? See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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On Sun, 18 May 2003 19:06:07 -0400, "Priscilla McCullough"
wrote: I have soft water from a water treatment thingie. Removes all clorine and stuff. What's a water treatment thingie? A water softer machine, or a water conditioner from a bottle? Some water softer machines use a type of salt to soften the water and therefore you could have salt in the pond from it. I know one can't taste salt in water even at 0.2% or higher.... I'm not sure at what % one finally does taste it. Anyone? Don't use salt. I only did one water change and that was last month when I cleaned the pond out. I think your best bet is to take a sample of the water to the pet store and have them check for salt, if you don't want to purchase a test kit. Be sure you write down whatever number they come up with, either % or ppm and report it here. Now if you had little to no salt coming from the tap and didn't do any water changes, salts could just build up from evaporation, that why it is recommended to remove 10-20% of the water every 1-2 weeks and then refill. Not only does this remove salts, but heavy metals and nitrates. The only other thing I can think would be some herbicide has gotten in the pond (have you used an algaecide, or other medications?) at a level that affected the plants, but not lethal to the fish. ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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Yes, its a water softer machine that uses salt. Never thought of it putting
salt in the water. I bought a test kit for ponds that test everything, but wouldn't you know the salt one is missing out of it and I threw my ticket away. I'll have to find that out. I do water changes every month about 20 to 25%. No algaecides, or medications used. -- Priss http://priss31.tripod.com/SmallPond.html "~ jan" wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 May 2003 19:06:07 -0400, "Priscilla McCullough" wrote: I have soft water from a water treatment thingie. Removes all clorine and stuff. What's a water treatment thingie? A water softer machine, or a water conditioner from a bottle? Some water softer machines use a type of salt to soften the water and therefore you could have salt in the pond from it. I know one can't taste salt in water even at 0.2% or higher.... I'm not sure at what % one finally does taste it. Anyone? Don't use salt. I only did one water change and that was last month when I cleaned the pond out. I think your best bet is to take a sample of the water to the pet store and have them check for salt, if you don't want to purchase a test kit. Be sure you write down whatever number they come up with, either % or ppm and report it here. Now if you had little to no salt coming from the tap and didn't do any water changes, salts could just build up from evaporation, that why it is recommended to remove 10-20% of the water every 1-2 weeks and then refill. Not only does this remove salts, but heavy metals and nitrates. The only other thing I can think would be some herbicide has gotten in the pond (have you used an algaecide, or other medications?) at a level that affected the plants, but not lethal to the fish. ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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On Sun, 18 May 2003 20:53:51 -0400, "Priscilla McCullough"
wrote: Yes, its a water softer machine that uses salt. Never thought of it putting salt in the water. I bought a test kit for ponds that test everything, but wouldn't you know the salt one is missing out of it and I threw my ticket away. I'll have to find that out. I do water changes every month about 20 to 25%. No algaecides, or medications used. I think that may be your problem. A water softer that uses salt puts enough sodium in the water that those with high blood pressure are told not to drink the water from such. Paging Dr. Greg Young, is that still correct? Priss, Take a sample with you to the pet store, even if you plan to buy a salt testing kit and they can tell you right off. Instead of a soak in miracle grow they might do better getting the salt leach out of the soil media using distilled water. ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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~ jan wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2003 20:53:51 -0400, "Priscilla McCullough" wrote: I think that may be your problem. A water softer that uses salt puts enough sodium in the water that those with high blood pressure are told not to drink the water from such. Paging Dr. Greg Young, is that still correct? ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website Not Dr. Young, but I do know that those with high blood pressure are told to drink hard water not softened. I was also told not to put softened water in the pond - I always put the water on by-pass to fill or top off the pond. -- Bonnie NJ http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/ |
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On Mon, 19 May 2003 11:45:11 GMT, Bonnie Espenshade
wrote: Not Dr. Young, but I do know that those with high blood pressure are told to drink hard water not softened. I was also told not to put softened water in the pond - I always put the water on by-pass to fill or top off the pond. Bonnie, your advice will do. ;o) ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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water softeners put sodium (Na+) ions into the water. and it can be significantly
high enough to cause real problems with GF, so I imagine it can with koi. The relationship between salt (NaCl) and high blood pressure is complex and just lowering sodium chloride intake may have no effect at all, or actually worsen blood pressure. The suggestion is that the balance of total salts is important and unbalanced (high sodium to potassium, etc.) intake is what can cause problems. It is the chloride ion that tastes "salty". To increase the saltiness of foods, add lemon or vinegar. To decrease the saltiness add a pinch of baking soda (which is how to cut the acid in tomato sauces as well). Ingrid I think that may be your problem. A water softer that uses salt puts enough sodium in the water that those with high blood pressure are told not to drink the water from such. |
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water softeners put sodium (Na+) ions into the water. and it can
besignificantly high enough to cause real problems with GF, so I imagine it can with koi. I have never heard of anyone putting a water softner on the outside faucets....it is usually plumbed around them. That would be wasting a lot of money to soften the outside water, not to mention plants hate it. Jerri http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond |
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Jerrispond wrote:
water softeners put sodium (Na+) ions into the water. and it can besignificantly high enough to cause real problems with GF, so I imagine it can with koi. I have never heard of anyone putting a water softner on the outside faucets....it is usually plumbed around them. That would be wasting a lot of money to soften the outside water, not to mention plants hate it. Jerri http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond My water softener is located where the well water enters the house. All water is softened, however, we can bypass the softener. The problem with this is I often forget to reset and then take a shower and I'm not able to get any lather from my soap! If I wash my hair - it looks dull. Fortunately DH is usually the first to get a shower and he then resets the bypass! ;-) -- Bonnie NJ http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/ |
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wrote in message
... water softeners put sodium (Na+) ions into the water. and it can be significantly high enough to cause real problems with GF, so I imagine it can with koi. The relationship between salt (NaCl) and high blood pressure is complex and just lowering sodium chloride intake may have no effect at all, or actually worsen blood pressure. The suggestion is that the balance of total salts is important and unbalanced (high sodium to potassium, etc.) intake is what can cause problems. It is the chloride ion that tastes "salty". To increase the saltiness of foods, add lemon or vinegar. To decrease the saltiness add a pinch of baking soda (which is how to cut the acid in tomato sauces as well). Ingrid I think that may be your problem. A water softer that uses salt puts enough sodium in the water that those with high blood pressure are told not to drink the water from such. Ingrid...I went looking for some information on this because my first thought was that it was BS. I was shocked to find that what you are saying is basically true. Water softeners use salt to "soften" the water. The water passes through the salt mixture which leaches magnesium and potassium (hard) out of the water, replacing it with Sodium chloride (salt) molecules which are "softer". Here is a great article describing, in brief, the amounts of salt that can be transferred... http://www.extension.umn.edu/water/sodium.html |
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I have never heard of anyone putting a water softner on the outside faucets....it is usually plumbed around them. That would be wasting a lot of money to soften the outside water, not to mention plants hate it. Jerri We don't have our water softener on the outside faucets. They advised against it, that lots of times soft water is not good for grass or plants. |
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did you really mean it to sound that way? Ingrid
Ingrid...I went looking for some information on this because my first thought was that it was BS. I was shocked to find that what you are saying is basically true. |
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wrote in message
... did you really mean it to sound that way? Ingrid Ingrid...I went looking for some information on this because my first thought was that it was BS. I was shocked to find that what you are saying is basically true. Not sure what you mean...so let me re-state. When I first read that water softeners allowed salt into the water, I thought, "That can't be right. That sounds like an old wives tale." So I decided to look it up...lo and behold it is true. The water softeners exchange sodium chloride for magnesium chloride and a few other "hard" minerals. Anyway, I thought I should post a follow up to your message, backing up the truth, in case there were any other doubters like myself. Is that clearer? BV. |
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yes.
"BenignVanilla" m wrote: Not sure what you mean...so let me re-state. When I first read that water softeners allowed salt into the water, I thought, "That can't be right. That sounds like an old wives tale." So I decided to look it up...lo and behold it is true. The water softeners exchange sodium chloride for magnesium chloride and a few other "hard" minerals. Anyway, I thought I should post a follow up to your message, backing up the truth, in case there were any other doubters like myself. Is that clearer? BV. |
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BV, you should know I'd never spread BS. ;o) ~ jan
wrote in message water softeners put sodium (Na+) ions into the water. and it can be significantly high enough to cause real problems with GF, so I imagine it can with koi. The relationship between salt (NaCl) and high blood pressure is complex and just lowering sodium chloride intake may have no effect at all, or actually worsen blood pressure. The suggestion is that the balance of total salts is important and unbalanced (high sodium to potassium, etc.) intake is what can cause problems. Ingrid Jan wrote: I think that may be your problem. A water softer that uses salt puts enough sodium in the water that those with high blood pressure are told not to drink the water from such. Ingrid...I went looking for some information on this because my first thought was that it was BS. I was shocked to find that what you are saying is basically true. Water softeners use salt to "soften" the water. The water passes through the salt mixture which leaches magnesium and potassium (hard) out of the water, replacing it with Sodium chloride (salt) molecules which are "softer". Here is a great article describing, in brief, the amounts of salt that can be transferred... http://www.extension.umn.edu/water/sodium.html BV See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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~ jan replies (all in jest):
And now I'm an old wife, spreading tales, beside BS. Ackkkkkkkkkk! My guess is you don't have anyone in your family, BV, with hypertension. My FIL has had to deal with it forever and I remember one of their many houses and the comments about the water softener.... plus in the last several years they built another house with a water softener that works without salt. ~ jan wrote in message did you really mean it to sound that way? Ingrid Ingrid...I went looking for some information on this because my first thought was that it was BS. I was shocked to find that what you are saying is basically true. Not sure what you mean...so let me re-state. When I first read that water softeners allowed salt into the water, I thought, "That can't be right. That sounds like an old wives tale." So I decided to look it up...lo and behold it is true. The water softeners exchange sodium chloride for magnesium chloride and a few other "hard" minerals. Anyway, I thought I should post a follow up to your message, backing up the truth, in case there were any other doubters like myself. Is that clearer? BV. See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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wrote in message
... yes. snip Good...I am happy. I was not trying to be a jerk, really. BV. |
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"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
... ~ jan replies (all in jest): And now I'm an old wife, spreading tales, beside BS. Ackkkkkkkkkk! My guess is you don't have anyone in your family, BV, with hypertension. My FIL has had to deal with it forever and I remember one of their many houses and the comments about the water softener.... plus in the last several years they built another house with a water softener that works without salt. ~ jan Nobody...aside from me. I got marked with it about 5-6 years ago. No one ever mentioned water softened water as being a problem. I was shocked to hear this. BV. |
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my mama has high blood pressure. she installed a water softener and her
blood pressure stayed the same. her doctor said that the softener was fine for mother to bathe in, but not to drink. the doc said to drink bottled RO water. so that's what she started doing. then she decided she didn't want to spend the money on the water, and, at 86, she couldn't heft the bags of salt. so she started drinking the tap water. her blood pressure actually went up. so now we're back to buying bottled water again. none of us ever thought that drinking tap water in odessa, texas could raise one's blood pressure. but it did happen. mad -- "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading, the few who learn by observation and the rest of them that have to pee on the electric fence for themselves..." Will Rogers From: "BenignVanilla" m Reply-To: "BenignVanilla" m Newsgroups: rec.ponds Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:41:50 -0400 Subject: Plant question "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... ~ jan replies (all in jest): And now I'm an old wife, spreading tales, beside BS. Ackkkkkkkkkk! My guess is you don't have anyone in your family, BV, with hypertension. My FIL has had to deal with it forever and I remember one of their many houses and the comments about the water softener.... plus in the last several years they built another house with a water softener that works without salt. ~ jan Nobody...aside from me. I got marked with it about 5-6 years ago. No one ever mentioned water softened water as being a problem. I was shocked to hear this. BV. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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Even before I got high blood pressure I could tell when I was
drinking "water softener" water.... I would swell up like crazy. The taste was just terribly salty. Yaak Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "mad" wrote in message ... my mama has high blood pressure. she installed a water softener and her blood pressure stayed the same. her doctor said that the softener was fine for mother to bathe in, but not to drink. the doc said to drink bottled RO water. so that's what she started doing. then she decided she didn't want to spend the money on the water, and, at 86, she couldn't heft the bags of salt. so she started drinking the tap water. her blood pressure actually went up. so now we're back to buying bottled water again. none of us ever thought that drinking tap water in odessa, texas could raise one's blood pressure. but it did happen. mad -- "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading, the few who learn by observation and the rest of them that have to pee on the electric fence for themselves..." Will Rogers From: "BenignVanilla" m Reply-To: "BenignVanilla" m Newsgroups: rec.ponds Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:41:50 -0400 Subject: Plant question "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... ~ jan replies (all in jest): And now I'm an old wife, spreading tales, beside BS. Ackkkkkkkkkk! My guess is you don't have anyone in your family, BV, with hypertension. My FIL has had to deal with it forever and I remember one of their many houses and the comments about the water softener.... plus in the last several years they built another house with a water softener that works without salt. ~ jan Nobody...aside from me. I got marked with it about 5-6 years ago. No one ever mentioned water softened water as being a problem. I was shocked to hear this. BV. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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BV,
Look for salt every where. Look at how much salt is in soft drinks (soda pop). If you have a water softener and drink your 8 glass of water a day or more just thing of the salt you are consuming. Tom L.L. "BenignVanilla" m wrote in message ... "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... ~ jan replies (all in jest): And now I'm an old wife, spreading tales, beside BS. Ackkkkkkkkkk! My guess is you don't have anyone in your family, BV, with hypertension. My FIL has had to deal with it forever and I remember one of their many houses and the comments about the water softener.... plus in the last several years they built another house with a water softener that works without salt. ~ jan Nobody...aside from me. I got marked with it about 5-6 years ago. No one ever mentioned water softened water as being a problem. I was shocked to hear this. BV. |
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there's just no telling what's in odessa's water.
mad -- You shouldn't go through life with catcher's mitts on both hands. You need to be able to throw something back. From: "Nedra" Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Newsgroups: rec.ponds Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 21:45:53 GMT Subject: Plant question Even before I got high blood pressure I could tell when I was drinking "water softener" water.... I would swell up like crazy. The taste was just terribly salty. Yaak Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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mad wrote: there's just no telling what's in odessa's water. mad -- i get hi blood pressure just thinking about drinking Odesa's water ;-) John Rutz Z5 New Mexico good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad judgement see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! oh john, that's hysterical!! and so true!!!
mad -- An ounce of mother is worth a pound of clergy. Spanish Proverb From: John Rutz Organization: NMIX Newsgroups: rec.ponds Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 22:32:22 -0600 Subject: Plant question mad wrote: there's just no telling what's in odessa's water. mad -- i get hi blood pressure just thinking about drinking Odesa's water ;-) John Rutz Z5 New Mexico good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad judgement see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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something very wrong with your water softener if it tastes salty. Ingrid
"Nedra" wrote: Even before I got high blood pressure I could tell when I was drinking "water softener" water.... I would swell up like crazy. The taste was just terribly salty. Yaak |
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Nobody...aside from me. I got marked with it about 5-6 years ago. No one
ever mentioned water softened water as being a problem. I was shocked to hear this. A learn something new everyday sort of thing, ya say? ;o) Glad I brought it up, and Ingrid verified the fact. Now I wonder what *itten* (or was it *mitten*?) is doing about their water situation? ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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Ingrid, I don't have a water softener. But, I can taste the
salt in other folks water softeners. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 wrote in message ... something very wrong with your water softener if it tastes salty. Ingrid "Nedra" wrote: Even before I got high blood pressure I could tell when I was drinking "water softener" water.... I would swell up like crazy. The taste was just terribly salty. Yaak |
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amazing. it is the chloride ions that make salt "salty". in softening, it is the
sodium ions that are left behind. the chloride ions combine with the calcium and magnesium to make an insoluble compound that is flushed out. Ingrid "Nedra" wrote: Ingrid, I don't have a water softener. But, I can taste the salt in other folks water softeners. |
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Thank You, John! I can't explain my reaction *scientifically*
to water softeners. I just know that once I taste the water I ask if they have a water softener... not once have I been wrong. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "John Rutz" wrote in message ... wrote: amazing. it is the chloride ions that make salt "salty". in softening, it is the sodium ions that are left behind. the chloride ions combine with the calcium and magnesium to make an insoluble compound that is flushed out. Ingrid "Nedra" wrote: Ingrid, I don't have a water softener. But, I can taste the salt in other folks water softeners. -- I vot e with Nedra on this one John Rutz Z5 New Mexico good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad judgement see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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