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Ingrid re Hydrogen peroxide dip
I was busy catching the fish while all this was happening I found out just now that the ones helping with the dipping left the fish in longer than the 10 seconds I think maybe up to 30 seconds would that have any adverse effect? -- John Rutz Z5 New Mexico good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad judgement see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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Ingrid re Hydrogen peroxide dip
John,
A more effective procedure that doesn't require quick dipping is using the 3% H2O2 that you all ready have and putting in to a container with a concentration of 17.5 ml H2O2 per liter of water and dipping the fish for 10 minutes. This particular procedure is recommended by vets and aquaculturists in the field of fish care and is easier to manage. The procedure that Ingrid is suggesting has not been proven to be effective by any scientific study and there are certainly no authoritative write ups on the procedure outside of Ingrid saying that it works. In fact, both Noga and other vets say that the concentrations used in Ingrid's procedure can be fatal. Oh, to answer you question H2O2 can "burn" the gills of the fish if too high a concentration is used. HTH Tom L.L. ---------------------------------------- "John Rutz" wrote in message ... I was busy catching the fish while all this was happening I found out just now that the ones helping with the dipping left the fish in longer than the 10 seconds I think maybe up to 30 seconds would that have any adverse effect? -- John Rutz Z5 New Mexico good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad judgement see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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Ingrid re Hydrogen peroxide dip
Tom La Bron wrote: John, In fact, both Noga and other vets say that the concentrations used in Ingrid's procedure can be fatal. Oh, to answer you question H2O2 can "burn" the gills of the fish if too high a concentration is used. HTH the concentration was ok it was the timing hopefully they will recover in a day or two what I have been able to find out on google I think it is similar to a amonia burn to the gills and they can survive that with good water and time John Rutz Z5 New Mexico good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad judgement see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com -- John Rutz Z5 New Mexico good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad judgement see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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Ingrid re Hydrogen peroxide dip
John,
If the damage has already been done a good help to the fish is to add Vit C to the water. It is very effective in helping fish that have had Brown Blood Disease or have been burnt by ammonia. A while ago, it was a technique that was you had to watch very carefully because the Vit C can turn the water acidic, unless you had a very good biofilter and good KH in the tank or pond. The gentleman that perfected this technique is an aquaculturist and a scientist, of course, he also produced a Non-Acidic Vit C to use in the aquarium, but now that Ester-C is on the market and at a reasonable price it is easier to implement. If you are interested drop me a line and I will give you my special URL to read about it. I suggested this technique to a friend in Great Britain that had rescued some fish that were suffering badly from Brown Blood Disease and it worked wonderfully. Also in the mean time make sure you have plenty of air going into the tank where the injured fish are being held. Tom L.L. ------------------------------------------ "John Rutz" wrote in message ... Tom La Bron wrote: John, In fact, both Noga and other vets say that the concentrations used in Ingrid's procedure can be fatal. Oh, to answer you question H2O2 can "burn" the gills of the fish if too high a concentration is used. HTH the concentration was ok it was the timing hopefully they will recover in a day or two what I have been able to find out on google I think it is similar to a amonia burn to the gills and they can survive that with good water and time John Rutz Z5 New Mexico good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad judgement see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com -- John Rutz Z5 New Mexico good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad judgement see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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Ingrid re Hydrogen peroxide dip
I dont know. Jo Ann's is for GF, these are koi. The flukes are the same and are
killed after 10 seconds in this dip. I would say if you didnt see any wobbling afterwards or piping at the top then they are probably fine. even 3% salt can makes some fish wobble. For toasted gills Jo Ann recommends Polyaqua, and expensive addition to a pond. Ingrid John Rutz wrote: I was busy catching the fish while all this was happening I found out just now that the ones helping with the dipping left the fish in longer than the 10 seconds I think maybe up to 30 seconds would that have any adverse effect? |
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Ingrid re Hydrogen peroxide dip
Jo Ann does scientific trials, she does controlled experiments. She has given her
notes and information to the person she collaborates with at the U of Florida aquaculture institute or whatever. I am not sure when or where this will be published. I think Jo Ann came up with this because she has so many fish she has to get em done fast. Like I said, she found this concentration killed the flukes and didnt harm the GF in the least. What you are fighting is tough stuff. call her. Ingrid John Rutz wrote: the concentration was ok it was the timing hopefully they will recover in a day or two what I have been able to find out on google I think it is similar to a amonia burn to the gills and they can survive that with good water and time |
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Ingrid re Hydrogen peroxide dip
"Tom La Bron" wrote in message ... John, The gentleman that perfected this technique is an aquaculturist and a scientist, of course, he also produced a Non-Acidic Vit C to use in the aquarium, but now that Ester-C is on the market and at a reasonable price it is easier to implement. Got to wonder how they made vitamin c to be "non-acidic", considering that vitamin c IS an acid, namely ascorbic acid... Sameer |
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