Where do y'all by your Amquel? I have decided the only way to rid myself of
clay...is to start some water changes. The Amquel at P*tsmart seems
expensive.

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Go on line, look for a product called ChlorAm-X, or order some from AES.
It's a dry powder. It's 1/4th the cost of AmQuel, and is AmQuel's formula
(plus a few more buffers). AmQuel's patent has expired, as has the
non-compete clause for the inventor, so this is the new stuff on the market.

Lee

"BenignVanilla" m wrote in
message ...
Where do y'all by your Amquel? I have decided the only way to rid myself
of
clay...is to start some water changes. The Amquel at P*tsmart seems
expensive.

--
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Pond Site: www.darofamily.com/jeff/links/mypond
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"Lee Brouillet" wrote in message
...
Go on line, look for a product called ChlorAm-X, or order some from AES.
It's a dry powder. It's 1/4th the cost of AmQuel, and is AmQuel's formula
(plus a few more buffers). AmQuel's patent has expired, as has the
non-compete clause for the inventor, so this is the new stuff on the
market.

Thanks Lee

Now this is interesting.....

Go Fig posted this website that is suppose to be the same stuff. The
difference between two seems to be you need 5 lbs of ChlorAm-X (AES-$26.50)
to treat 18,749 gallons. The similar stuff, called Dechlorinator, 8 oz. for
$6.30 at this website:

http://www.backyard-lifestyle.com/de...?c=1&i=WN11200

Now I wonder what the difference is, and/or is there one, other than the
price? Anyone? Wait!

Never mind, did some searching of my own and found that the stuff at above
website is "basically sodium thiosulfate which is widely used to break down
chlorine and chloramines and is considered non-toxic to fish." So it's just
dechlor it appears. To read the whole thing:
http://www.thepondexperts.com/dechlorinator_form.htm for those of us who
wish to use a product for possible ammonia spikes, best buy the ChlorAm-X,
imo. ~ jan


On 13 Jun 2003 13:11:14 -0500, "Lee Brouillet" wrote:

Go on line, look for a product called ChlorAm-X, or order some from AES.
It's a dry powder. It's 1/4th the cost of AmQuel, and is AmQuel's formula
(plus a few more buffers). AmQuel's patent has expired, as has the
non-compete clause for the inventor, so this is the new stuff on the market.

Lee

"BenignVanilla" m wrote in
message ...
Where do y'all by your Amquel? I have decided the only way to rid myself
of
clay...is to start some water changes. The Amquel at P*tsmart seems
expensive.

--
BenignVanilla
Pond Site: www.darofamily.com/jeff/links/mypond
Remove MYFRONTALLOBE to email me.





See my ponds and filter design:
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In article ,
~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:

Now this is interesting.....

Go Fig posted this website that is suppose to be the same stuff.


No, I didn't say it was the same at all.

jay
Fri, Jun 13, 2003




The
difference between two seems to be you need 5 lbs of ChlorAm-X (AES-$26.50)
to treat 18,749 gallons. The similar stuff, called Dechlorinator, 8 oz. for
$6.30 at this website:

http://www.backyard-lifestyle.com/de...?c=1&i=WN11200

Now I wonder what the difference is, and/or is there one, other than the
price? Anyone? Wait!

Never mind, did some searching of my own and found that the stuff at above
website is "basically sodium thiosulfate which is widely used to break down
chlorine and chloramines and is considered non-toxic to fish." So it's just
dechlor it appears. To read the whole thing:
http://www.thepondexperts.com/dechlorinator_form.htm for those of us who
wish to use a product for possible ammonia spikes, best buy the ChlorAm-X,
imo. ~ jan


On 13 Jun 2003 13:11:14 -0500, "Lee Brouillet" wrote:

Go on line, look for a product called ChlorAm-X, or order some from AES.
It's a dry powder. It's 1/4th the cost of AmQuel, and is AmQuel's formula
(plus a few more buffers). AmQuel's patent has expired, as has the
non-compete clause for the inventor, so this is the new stuff on the market.

Lee

"BenignVanilla" m wrote in
message ...
Where do y'all by your Amquel? I have decided the only way to rid myself
of
clay...is to start some water changes. The Amquel at P*tsmart seems
expensive.

--
BenignVanilla
Pond Site: www.darofamily.com/jeff/links/mypond
Remove MYFRONTALLOBE to email me.





See my ponds and filter design:
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--

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Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."

Go Fig posted this website that is suppose to be the same stuff.

No, I didn't say it was the same at all.
jay Fri, Jun 13, 2003

My mistake, my confusion, Lee wrote (in tact below) about Chloramine Buster
and I ass-u-me d (oops) the website you provided was taking me to something
similar to that, or the ChlorAm-X, product. Sorry jay, ~ jan ;,o(

"Lee Brouillet" wrote:
I checked Clear Pond's site; they have a product called Chloramine Buster .
. . is that what you're talking about? I'm not familiar with their
product(s), so I'll have to check into it further.
Opps... Its the other one I guess... Pond Clear?,

Jay replied.
Yikes, there are just too many "clear" in ponding. The correct name is
Crystal Clear® Dechlorinator - Dry, It's made by 'Crystal Clear", the
Winston Co.

I found this page on google.

http://www.backyard-lifestyle.com/de...?c=1&i=WN11200


jay
Fri, May 30, 2003

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I just order the plain ol sodium thiosulfate from AES. Ingrid

"BenignVanilla" m wrote:

Where do y'all by your Amquel? I have decided the only way to rid myself of
clay...is to start some water changes. The Amquel at P*tsmart seems
expensive.

I have ST also. But my water supply has chloramines. ST only "kills" the
chlorine and breaks the bond, leaving the ammonia "free". A lightly stocked
pond with very good filtration can/will handle the free ammonia, processing
it like it was just another fish added to the pond *during routine water
changes*.

But if you have an overstocked pond, compromised filtration (meds can be one
reason), or need to do a massive water change, the filters are unable to
process the additional ammonia. Then you need something to bind the ammonia,
rendering it harmless to the fish, but still available to the filter to
process as it can. I keep the ST to treat water in tubs used to rinse
filtration media, to neutralize chlorine bleach used to sterilze nets and
such, etc. If you need the ammonia binding properties, ChlorAm-X is the
cheapest way to do so. The buffers keep it active in your pond for an
average of 3-4 days, sometimes longer. It's very useful in the event that
you have to refill a pond and add the fish immediately, or are bringing a
new filter on line. The ammonia is "bound", not eliminated. The filter will
still process the ammonia and produce nitrItes, etc.: it does not interfer
with "The Cycle". My water utility has the awful habit of thinking that if 3
ppm chloramine is good, then 6 ppm must be better - and I tested it at 9 ppm
once after a watermain break. That will wreak havoc with your water
parameters.

Lee

wrote in message
...
I just order the plain ol sodium thiosulfate from AES. Ingrid

we have chloramines but I have never found more than a trace of ammonia in the water
after neutralization. I suppose if there was more it would be worried. Ingrid

"Lee Brouillet" wrote:
I have ST also. But my water supply has chloramines. ST only "kills" the
chlorine and breaks the bond, leaving the ammonia "free".


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Following the spawn last week, my ammonia went to the highest color (7-8
ppm) and nitrites to the reddest (5 ppm). With the 0.1% salt that I
routinely run, I was not worried about the nitrites, but using Amquel that I
had in stock, and the purchase of ChlorAm-X, I am hoping to keep the ammonia
neutralized. The small 2000 gallon pond was covered, every square inch, at
least one egg deep and the top of the pond looked like the head on a poorly
drawn beer. Due to the cost of the ChlorAm-X, I will continue to use ST for
normal water changes, and save the good stuff for the annual party, or a
filter failure.
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"Lee Brouillet" wrote in message
...
I have ST also. But my water supply has chloramines. ST only "kills" the
chlorine and breaks the bond, leaving the ammonia "free". A lightly
stocked
pond with very good filtration can/will handle the free ammonia,
processing
it like it was just another fish added to the pond *during routine water
changes*.

But if you have an overstocked pond, compromised filtration (meds can be
one
reason), or need to do a massive water change, the filters are unable to
process the additional ammonia. Then you need something to bind the
ammonia,
rendering it harmless to the fish, but still available to the filter to
process as it can. I keep the ST to treat water in tubs used to rinse
filtration media, to neutralize chlorine bleach used to sterilze nets and
such, etc. If you need the ammonia binding properties, ChlorAm-X is the
cheapest way to do so. The buffers keep it active in your pond for an
average of 3-4 days, sometimes longer. It's very useful in the event that
you have to refill a pond and add the fish immediately, or are bringing a
new filter on line. The ammonia is "bound", not eliminated. The filter
will
still process the ammonia and produce nitrItes, etc.: it does not interfer
with "The Cycle". My water utility has the awful habit of thinking that if
3
ppm chloramine is good, then 6 ppm must be better - and I tested it at 9
ppm
once after a watermain break. That will wreak havoc with your water
parameters.

Lee

wrote in message
...
I just order the plain ol sodium thiosulfate from AES. Ingrid

Can't remember where I read it (sorry Tom ;o) but supposed if everything is
balanced in the pond, it is fine to just use ST for a water change with
chloramines as your filter should take care of the little bit of ammonia
that breaks loose.

According to my chemist hubby (an assuming I understood him correctly) when
I add water w/chlorine if it encounters ammonia in the pond a temporary
chloramine molecule could be produced. ~ jan


On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 03:13:32 GMT, "RichToyBox"
wrote:

Following the spawn last week, my ammonia went to the highest color (7-8
ppm) and nitrites to the reddest (5 ppm). With the 0.1% salt that I
routinely run, I was not worried about the nitrites, but using Amquel that I
had in stock, and the purchase of ChlorAm-X, I am hoping to keep the ammonia
neutralized. The small 2000 gallon pond was covered, every square inch, at
least one egg deep and the top of the pond looked like the head on a poorly
drawn beer. Due to the cost of the ChlorAm-X, I will continue to use ST for
normal water changes, and save the good stuff for the annual party, or a
filter failure.


See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website