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How many koi is too many koi
OK, Take out the filtration factor and what is too much for koi?
The reason I ask is that I see so many different claims, and then I go see a koi breeder and they have 20 big ones in 1000 gallons (30+ inches). And 50 or more in 750 gallon setups... Carl -- -- http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com |
How many koi is too many koi
Hi Carl,
I suspect those dealers are filtering the heck out of their systems, at least I hope they are! In my experience an understocked pond is a lot more forgiving than an overstocked pond. Being a total amateur I like to err on the side of caution. k30a and the watergardening labradors http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html |
How many koi is too many koi
Carl, The Koi dealer I go to has alot of fish one time and next to none the
next, due to sales. So maybe thats what is going on where you went. But the dealer I use also filters through two large systems into one pond. But I was told after the pond is stablized it is a sort of rule 100 gallons per Koi. But I'm new also, only telling you what I was told. The bigger the area the bigger they grow, so I've been told. Good Luck. Kc "Carl Beyer" wrote in message ... OK, Take out the filtration factor and what is too much for koi? The reason I ask is that I see so many different claims, and then I go see a koi breeder and they have 20 big ones in 1000 gallons (30+ inches). And 50 or more in 750 gallon setups... Carl -- -- http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com |
How many koi is too many koi
OK, Take out the filtration factor and what is too much for koi? The reason I ask is that I see so many different claims, and then I go see a koi breeder and they have 20 big ones in 1000 gallons (30+ inches). And 50 or more in 750 gallon setups... Carl -- -- http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com well one you cant compare a sales or show tanks with our/your pond, most sales show tanks are highly filtered, and have large daily water changes and the fish population starts high and then drops rapidly as sales go on. where with our ponds we usualy use smaller filters, and add fish as time goes by either by our fish growing or pruchasing new ones here and there also thier sales tanks are in locations where they stay clean no leaves ,grass, garden chemicals and they probly add "maitenance" chemicals daily where we dont ours are in yards exposed to all the vagrancies mother nature can throw at us -- John Rutz Z5 New Mexico Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
How many koi is too many koi
Koi are a version of carp. Matter of fact I believe "Koi" means carp. So
when you see or hear, "Koi Carp" that's really like saying, "Carp carp." If you've fished for carp you know that they can live in the nastiest water sorces out there. I bet they could live in pure poop. Carp are highly invasive in america. Any rec pond owner with carp will tell you how they destroy the pond by muddying the water. Sam "Carl Beyer" wrote in message ... OK, Take out the filtration factor and what is too much for koi? The reason I ask is that I see so many different claims, and then I go see a koi breeder and they have 20 big ones in 1000 gallons (30+ inches). And 50 or more in 750 gallon setups... Carl -- -- http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com |
How many koi is too many koi
"Carl Beyer" wrote in message ... OK, Take out the filtration factor and what is too much for koi? The reason I ask is that I see so many different claims, and then I go see a koi breeder and they have 20 big ones in 1000 gallons (30+ inches). And 50 or more in 750 gallon setups... Think of it this way...I am going to put you in a sealed room. You are allowed to wander where ever you want, and you do. At some random point I will add fatal amount of toxin to a small area in the room. This toxin will slowly distribute over time and will eventually reside in every area of the room. The amount of toxin that is deadly to you is proportionate to the amount of air that it is mixed with. Little air lotsa toxin, you are dead. Lotsa air and same amount of toxin, you live. Now...You get to choose the room. Would you like to be in a room the size of a Cooper Mini, or would you choose a footbal stadium? Same deal for fish. BV. |
How many koi is too many koi
Koi are a version of carp. Matter of fact I believe "Koi" means carp. So
when you see or hear, "Koi Carp" that's really like saying, "Carp carp." If you've fished for carp you know that they can live in the nastiest water sorces out there. I bet they could live in pure poop. Carp are highly invasive in america. Any rec pond owner with carp will tell you how they destroy the pond by muddying the water. Sam "Carl Beyer" wrote in message ... OK, Take out the filtration factor and what is too much for koi? The reason I ask is that I see so many different claims, and then I go see a koi breeder and they have 20 big ones in 1000 gallons (30+ inches). And 50 or more in 750 gallon setups... Carl -- -- http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com |
How many koi is too many koi
"Carl Beyer" wrote in message ... OK, Take out the filtration factor and what is too much for koi? The reason I ask is that I see so many different claims, and then I go see a koi breeder and they have 20 big ones in 1000 gallons (30+ inches). And 50 or more in 750 gallon setups... Think of it this way...I am going to put you in a sealed room. You are allowed to wander where ever you want, and you do. At some random point I will add fatal amount of toxin to a small area in the room. This toxin will slowly distribute over time and will eventually reside in every area of the room. The amount of toxin that is deadly to you is proportionate to the amount of air that it is mixed with. Little air lotsa toxin, you are dead. Lotsa air and same amount of toxin, you live. Now...You get to choose the room. Would you like to be in a room the size of a Cooper Mini, or would you choose a footbal stadium? Same deal for fish. BV. |
How many koi is too many koi
Carl Beyer wrote:
OK, Take out the filtration factor and what is too much for koi? The reason I ask is that I see so many different claims, and then I go see a koi breeder and they have 20 big ones in 1000 gallons (30+ inches). And 50 or more in 750 gallon setups... The main reason is, like others said, fast turnover. Those fish are not crowded in that tank for that long. And they filter the heck out of it. The latter point also equals risk. If they had a power failure for an hour or two probably all those fish would be dead. They probably have battery backup, since they know this. Do you? Lower stocking rates means that the filtering can fail for a longer amount of time before it's terminal. garyr |
How many koi is too many koi
Gary, That brings up something I've always wanted to know, how long do you
think that the power could be out for till your fish are in danger? I have a 750 - 800 gallon pond and 10 Koi. I always worry about that every time we have a big storm here in Arizona. Thanks Kc "Gary Rich" wrote in message ... Carl Beyer wrote: OK, Take out the filtration factor and what is too much for koi? The reason I ask is that I see so many different claims, and then I go see a koi breeder and they have 20 big ones in 1000 gallons (30+ inches). And 50 or more in 750 gallon setups... The main reason is, like others said, fast turnover. Those fish are not crowded in that tank for that long. And they filter the heck out of it. The latter point also equals risk. If they had a power failure for an hour or two probably all those fish would be dead. They probably have battery backup, since they know this. Do you? Lower stocking rates means that the filtering can fail for a longer amount of time before it's terminal. garyr |
How many koi is too many koi
get a generator to hook up your air system and filter. you dont have much time.
Ingrid "DonKcR" wrote: I have a 750 - 800 gallon pond and 10 Koi. I always worry about that every time we have a big storm here in Arizona. Thanks Kc ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
How many koi is too many koi
get a generator to hook up your air system and filter. you dont have much time.
Ingrid "DonKcR" wrote: I have a 750 - 800 gallon pond and 10 Koi. I always worry about that every time we have a big storm here in Arizona. Thanks Kc ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
How many koi is too many koi
The amount of time is hard to predict. The amount of oxygen held in warm
water is much less than in cold water. The activity of the fish is higher in warm water than cold water. Submerged, so called oxygenator, plants use oxygen at night, and provide oxygen during the day. And of course, due to the health of the fish, the gills can be compromised by parasites, ammonia, nitrites, and any number of other factors. Everyone needs some form of battery backup or backup generator. For battery backup, I started with a boat bilge pump and a battery. Some of the sporting goods stores or sections of stores have battery operated bait aerators. Both of these require you to be there when the power fails to activate them. I currently run a large air pump through a battery charger, battery, power inverter so that it is always running from a fully charged battery, so it is on even if I am not home.My system will go about 18 hours. I also have a portable generator that I bought specifically for the pond in the event of a major power outage. Of course I run an extension cord into the house to run the refrigerator and freezer and make a pot of coffee, but the generator is for the PONDS. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "DonKcR" wrote in message news:TPV_a.1692$QT5.1149@fed1read02... Gary, That brings up something I've always wanted to know, how long do you think that the power could be out for till your fish are in danger? I have a 750 - 800 gallon pond and 10 Koi. I always worry about that every time we have a big storm here in Arizona. Thanks Kc "Gary Rich" wrote in message ... Carl Beyer wrote: OK, Take out the filtration factor and what is too much for koi? The reason I ask is that I see so many different claims, and then I go see a koi breeder and they have 20 big ones in 1000 gallons (30+ inches). And 50 or more in 750 gallon setups... The main reason is, like others said, fast turnover. Those fish are not crowded in that tank for that long. And they filter the heck out of it. The latter point also equals risk. If they had a power failure for an hour or two probably all those fish would be dead. They probably have battery backup, since they know this. Do you? Lower stocking rates means that the filtering can fail for a longer amount of time before it's terminal. garyr |
How many koi is too many koi
The fish store I go to not only filters the stuffing out of their water, but
they do what amounts to 100% water exchanges weekly. When we were on water restrictions, they had to get a variance. But that's how they keep the stocking levels they do. Now, their "high end" Japanese imports - the ones that *start* at $500 each, are in a tank that gives them about 500 gallons per fish - MUCH higher than the other stocking densities. You can push the limits, but be prepared to pay the cost: better filtration, heavier water exchanges, more cleaning, constant monitoring of all water conditions, extra aeration - constant attention. And be prepared with power back-up. Less fish/less work and problems. Lee "Carl Beyer" wrote in message ... OK, Take out the filtration factor and what is too much for koi? The reason I ask is that I see so many different claims, and then I go see a koi breeder and they have 20 big ones in 1000 gallons (30+ inches). And 50 or more in 750 gallon setups... Carl -- -- http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com |
How many koi is too many koi
DonKcR wrote:
Gary, That brings up something I've always wanted to know, how long do you think that the power could be out for till your fish are in danger? I have a 750 - 800 gallon pond and 10 Koi. I always worry about that every time we have a big storm here in Arizona. Thanks Kc Funny you should ask.... I suspect we will have a fair number of datapoints from the northeast part of the US fairly soon _ |
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