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Pond Guard vs roofing liner - Firestone's answer!
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Pond Guard vs roofing liner - Firestone's answer!
where can i find cheap roofing liner online
i've found countless online pond liner dealers but am having troubles finding the roofing material i need 2x 50x100' rolls, which i probably won't find @ the local bigbox thx sk |
Pond Guard vs roofing liner - Firestone's answer!
Let's see:
$385 plus shipping. I just ordered 2 rolls of 30 x 50 liner that went 474 pounds each, and paid $110 in shipping. Using that ballpark, it would be about $55 per 475 - 500 # shipping from that company to my zone. $385 plus $50 is $435. $289 for the other rubber material, plus 8% tax comes to $312.12 I would save $122.88, which is considerable! In my case however that savings is a little less the price of one of my juvenile Koi, and I have more than one to worry about. I would not want to skimp on the liner, esp. after my conversation with Firestone, and risk future loss of my koi when they are larger and worth considerably more in a few years, (both financially and emotionally). GF, or "regular" American Koi become pets, which you wouldn't want to lose, even if less costly. Also have torn up one improperly (commercially installed) pond once due to a liner issue, I would never, ever, want to go through that again!! I am reminded of the old adage "penny wise, pound foolish". But, each to their own! Happy ponding, Greg PS Because some have had no problems with a non-certified product, doesn't assure that you may/may not. The real take home message is despite some of the info. posted in the NG, there ARE manufacturing differences in the 2 Firestone products (PondGard vs Rubbergard (roofing rubber)), which I confirmed in talking to Firestone directly. If folks feel this is not significant, compared to the initial savings they will get by using the non certified product, that's up to them. Caveat emptor. "Theron" wrote in message ... On 25 Aug 2003 08:38:03 -0700, (Shane Kennedy) wrote: how much cheaper is the roofing liner compared to the pond liner? I just checked prices on the web and found that a 20x50 PondGard liner would cost $385.00 plus shipping. It weighs 310 lbs. Or from another place $562.00 plus shipping. I can get Firestone roofing rubber in the same size from a local 'big box' home improvement store for $289.00 with no shipping. |
Pond Guard vs roofing liner - Firestone's answer!
"Gregory Young" writes:
$385 plus shipping. I just ordered 2 rolls of 30 x 50 liner that went 474 pounds each, and paid $110 in shipping. Using that ballpark, it would be about $55 per 475 - 500 # shipping from that company to my zone. $385 plus $50 is $435. $289 for the other rubber material, plus 8% tax comes to $312.12 I would save $122.88, which is considerable! You do have to go get the roofing liner. They'll probably help you load it. Not worth $122 maybe but something... |
Pond Guard vs roofing liner - Firestone's answer!
GY (Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:56:23 GMT):
30x50 liner... that went 474 pounds each So why not permalon and you won't have to worry about leaching at all. And man, it's a heck of a lot lighter than that. 474 pounds... I can roll 500 lbs, but it could roll me (flat), too. 30x20 permalon I could pick up and toss around, easy. I've got pond gard up in the filter but the rest is permalon, factory direct at $0.22 sq ft (1997). http://www.reefindustries.com/ http://www.reefindustries.com/php/pondline.php Houston -- '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`''`'`'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`''`'`'`'`'`'`'`' SLOTHEAD |
Pond Guard vs roofing liner - Firestone's answer!
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GY (Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:56:23 GMT): 30x50 liner... that went 474 pounds each So why not permalon and you won't have to worry about leaching at all. And man, it's a heck of a lot lighter than that. 474 pounds... I can roll 500 lbs, but it could roll me (flat), too. 30x20 permalon I could pick up and toss around, easy. Yep, weight is a problem with EPDM in bugger sizes. Can you do the pipe boot trick with permalon? If not you must add a few bulkhead fittings, and the big ones cost BIG. I've got pond gard up in the filter but the rest is permalon, factory direct at $0.22 sq ft (1997). http://www.reefindustries.com/ http://www.reefindustries.com/php/pondline.php Couldn't find prices, I wonder if they insist on phone? |
Pond Guard vs roofing liner - Firestone's answer!
"Gregory Young" writes:
Permalon is the way to go, but when I priced it, it was more than EPDM. Permalon is HDPE, and is one of the strongest, lightest liner materials available for use today. Also has great UV resistance. It has a 20 yr plus guarantee as well. Can you use the pipe boot trick with Permalon -- is it stretchy enough? Are you sure about the guarantee, I thought it was 1 year. Not that I think either will wear out. |
Pond Guard vs roofing liner - Firestone's answer!
Yes, you can use a pipe boot with Permalon.
Remember if you use adhesives with permalon to not use rubber adhesives (EPDM type!) Material guarantee is 20 plus years, depending on where you get it. I have never heard of a one year guarantee, except perhaps in commercially installed ponds, (where they would go broke if they guaranteed all their ponds for 20 years, as their guarantee would require them coming back and fixing them for the owners). With a material guarantee, the manufacturer/distributor simply replaces the warranted material with another piece. The installation is up to the owner! Happy ponding, Greg -- "Andrew Burgess" wrote in message ... "Gregory Young" writes: Permalon is the way to go, but when I priced it, it was more than EPDM. Permalon is HDPE, and is one of the strongest, lightest liner materials available for use today. Also has great UV resistance. It has a 20 yr plus guarantee as well. Can you use the pipe boot trick with Permalon -- is it stretchy enough? Are you sure about the guarantee, I thought it was 1 year. Not that I think either will wear out. |
Pond Guard vs roofing liner - Firestone's answer!
Contact Kenco for Permalon. I don't have his url handy ... someone else post it, please? Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Gregory Young" wrote in message t... Yes, you can use a pipe boot with Permalon. Remember if you use adhesives with permalon to not use rubber adhesives (EPDM type!) Material guarantee is 20 plus years, depending on where you get it. I have never heard of a one year guarantee, except perhaps in commercially installed ponds, (where they would go broke if they guaranteed all their ponds for 20 years, as their guarantee would require them coming back and fixing them for the owners). With a material guarantee, the manufacturer/distributor simply replaces the warranted material with another piece. The installation is up to the owner! Happy ponding, Greg -- "Andrew Burgess" wrote in message ... "Gregory Young" writes: Permalon is the way to go, but when I priced it, it was more than EPDM. Permalon is HDPE, and is one of the strongest, lightest liner materials available for use today. Also has great UV resistance. It has a 20 yr plus guarantee as well. Can you use the pipe boot trick with Permalon -- is it stretchy enough? Are you sure about the guarantee, I thought it was 1 year. Not that I think either will wear out. |
Pond Guard vs roofing liner - Firestone's answer!
What is a pipe boot?
"Gregory Young" wrote in message t... Yes, you can use a pipe boot with Permalon. Remember if you use adhesives with permalon to not use rubber adhesives (EPDM type!) Material guarantee is 20 plus years, depending on where you get it. I have never heard of a one year guarantee, except perhaps in commercially installed ponds, (where they would go broke if they guaranteed all their ponds for 20 years, as their guarantee would require them coming back and fixing them for the owners). With a material guarantee, the manufacturer/distributor simply replaces the warranted material with another piece. The installation is up to the owner! Happy ponding, Greg -- "Andrew Burgess" wrote in message ... "Gregory Young" writes: Permalon is the way to go, but when I priced it, it was more than EPDM. Permalon is HDPE, and is one of the strongest, lightest liner materials available for use today. Also has great UV resistance. It has a 20 yr plus guarantee as well. Can you use the pipe boot trick with Permalon -- is it stretchy enough? Are you sure about the guarantee, I thought it was 1 year. Not that I think either will wear out. |
Pond Guard vs roofing liner - Firestone's answer!
www.kencofish.com Permalon ~ jan
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Pond Guard vs roofing liner - Firestone's answer!
Pipe boot... the index is on left side ;-)
http://www.geocities.com/bickal2000/pond.htm Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "pixi" wrote in message ... What is a pipe boot? "Gregory Young" wrote in message t... Yes, you can use a pipe boot with Permalon. Remember if you use adhesives with permalon to not use rubber adhesives (EPDM type!) Material guarantee is 20 plus years, depending on where you get it. I have never heard of a one year guarantee, except perhaps in commercially installed ponds, (where they would go broke if they guaranteed all their ponds for 20 years, as their guarantee would require them coming back and fixing them for the owners). With a material guarantee, the manufacturer/distributor simply replaces the warranted material with another piece. The installation is up to the owner! Happy ponding, Greg -- "Andrew Burgess" wrote in message ... "Gregory Young" writes: Permalon is the way to go, but when I priced it, it was more than EPDM. Permalon is HDPE, and is one of the strongest, lightest liner materials available for use today. Also has great UV resistance. It has a 20 yr plus guarantee as well. Can you use the pipe boot trick with Permalon -- is it stretchy enough? Are you sure about the guarantee, I thought it was 1 year. Not that I think either will wear out. |
Pond Guard vs roofing liner - Firestone's answer!
~ jan JJsPond.us writes:
www.kencofish.com Permalon ~ jan That's where I got the one year warranty idea. http://www.kencofish.com/hardgood.htm says: "1 yr. unconditional warr" |
Pond Guard vs roofing liner - Firestone's answer!
Andrew,
It took me two readings of Ken's online before I saw the sentence which, BTW, is in quotes. Therefore, I'm wondering if the company has this warranty? I've known Ken for at least 6 years and he errs on the side of giving the liner away. I would still go ahead and contact him if I needed Permalon! Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Andrew Burgess" wrote in message ... ~ jan JJsPond.us writes: www.kencofish.com Permalon ~ jan That's where I got the one year warranty idea. http://www.kencofish.com/hardgood.htm says: "1 yr. unconditional warr" |
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