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Old 04-09-2003, 06:22 PM
LeeAnne
 
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Yikes - upon further examination it turns out that I have not 2 but 4 fish
in my little 'bird pool'. So, the little guys will have to come in for the
winter (I've got a 55 gallon w/one catfish in it that shall become their
home).

A few questions...because I'm going to slightly expand... (and I mean
slightly!!! really I do!!!).

1. Best place to buy a nice 45mil liner - are there place online that are
cheap? Yes I know to stay away from the roofing stuff. I think the liner I
have down now is about 6 x 5 or something like that - I'm going to probably
get at least a 10 x 10 or a 15x15 or something. I want to make sure I've
got plenty of room to do the edges correctly so I don't have the small leaks
that keep developing w/what I have now.

1a. Best place to buy some sort of prefab waterfall thing? I'm not really
great at building stuff.

2. Goldfish are pretty hardy, right? The 55 gallon they will go into for
the winter is kept at a constant 80-ish degrees (to keep Ick away) Ph is
usually a little high, very high phosphates and very hard water. It's the
same town water in the tank that's in the pond, but the pond, of course,
gets rain water and has live plants in it that the 55 won't have. I usually
keep the light off to prevent algae growth (have very high phosphates and
the algae grows like nuts). I just want to make sure they will handle the
transition OK.

I'm still not looking for a 'pond-pond' that will attract all manner of
great blue herons and raccoons. It'll still be a bird-splashing pool, I'm
going to just dig it out a little deeper and make it a bit better for the
fishies I have. I also don't want to really have to deal w/the filtration
and yadda yadda yadda that goes w/a larger pond (mucking about in it, etc.)
So instead of having a 3x5 pond I'm probably going to have something about
twice the size w/a small water fall at one end and my fountain head at the
other end. Probably 12-18" deep at the most (depending on how hard it'll be
to dig out).

Yikes, here I go....
LeeAnne

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Old 04-09-2003, 06:42 PM
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Try justliners.com. Depending on where you live, even with shipping they are
cheap.

Joe

LeeAnne wrote:

1. Best place to buy a nice 45mil liner - are there place online that are
cheap? Yes I know to stay away from the roofing stuff. I think the liner I
have down now is about 6 x 5 or something like that - I'm going to probably
get at least a 10 x 10 or a 15x15 or something. I want to make sure I've
got plenty of room to do the edges correctly so I don't have the small leaks
that keep developing w/what I have now.




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Old 04-09-2003, 07:22 PM
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Also, as an addendum question:

What about the black snails that inhabit my pond? I think catching some and
putting them in my 55 gallon would be aquarium suicide would it not? I
believe they have explosive growth ratios, right? I figure they'll croak
over the winter in the frozen shallow pool - or if I dismantle and redo it
before the winter time I'll probably just kill them by sucking all the water
out, right?

I sorta like the snails, I'm sure they have some benefit to the pond. Are
the gold fish eating them, or do they just stick to nibbling on the plants?
Oh, intro'd fish food to them yesterday and once one found out that the
floating stuff tasted good the rest followed suit :-)

Thanks

"LeeAnne" wrote in message
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Yikes - upon further examination it turns out that I have not 2 but 4 fish
in my little 'bird pool'. So, the little guys will have to come in for

the
winter (I've got a 55 gallon w/one catfish in it that shall become their
home).



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Old 04-09-2003, 07:22 PM
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danka

"joe" wrote in message
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Try justliners.com. Depending on where you live, even with shipping they

are
cheap.

Joe



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Old 04-09-2003, 09:03 PM
Michael Shaffer
 
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Pondliner.com is great, I had to return a pump there once and customer
service was no hassle.

LeeAnne wrote:
Yikes - upon further examination it turns out that I have not 2 but 4 fish
in my little 'bird pool'. So, the little guys will have to come in for the
winter (I've got a 55 gallon w/one catfish in it that shall become their
home).

A few questions...because I'm going to slightly expand... (and I mean
slightly!!! really I do!!!).

1. Best place to buy a nice 45mil liner - are there place online that are
cheap? Yes I know to stay away from the roofing stuff. I think the liner I
have down now is about 6 x 5 or something like that - I'm going to probably
get at least a 10 x 10 or a 15x15 or something. I want to make sure I've
got plenty of room to do the edges correctly so I don't have the small leaks
that keep developing w/what I have now.

1a. Best place to buy some sort of prefab waterfall thing? I'm not really
great at building stuff.

2. Goldfish are pretty hardy, right? The 55 gallon they will go into for
the winter is kept at a constant 80-ish degrees (to keep Ick away) Ph is
usually a little high, very high phosphates and very hard water. It's the
same town water in the tank that's in the pond, but the pond, of course,
gets rain water and has live plants in it that the 55 won't have. I usually
keep the light off to prevent algae growth (have very high phosphates and
the algae grows like nuts). I just want to make sure they will handle the
transition OK.

I'm still not looking for a 'pond-pond' that will attract all manner of
great blue herons and raccoons. It'll still be a bird-splashing pool, I'm
going to just dig it out a little deeper and make it a bit better for the
fishies I have. I also don't want to really have to deal w/the filtration
and yadda yadda yadda that goes w/a larger pond (mucking about in it, etc.)
So instead of having a 3x5 pond I'm probably going to have something about
twice the size w/a small water fall at one end and my fountain head at the
other end. Probably 12-18" deep at the most (depending on how hard it'll be
to dig out).

Yikes, here I go....
LeeAnne




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Old 05-09-2003, 07:27 AM
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Leeanne wrote I sorta like the snails,

I filled a jar with a layer of gravel, added pond water, some pond slime, lots
of anacharis and brought in some snails for the winter. They live on my kitchen
windowsill. I've done this for a couple of winters - my ponding fix in cold
weather.
I feed them frozen organic lettuce so they don't eat all the anacharis. They
lay eggs on the side of the jar and it is fun to watch the babies hatch.
Every once and a while they crawl out of the jar and fall off the side. If you
catch them soon enough you can return them to the jar.

Very few snails survive in the pond with koi. They live in the filter and on
the waterfall. The frog bog is full of snails (no fish) and so are my container
ponds.




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Old 05-09-2003, 07:32 AM
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Leeanne wrote I sorta like the snails,

I filled a jar with a layer of gravel, added pond water, some pond slime, lots
of anacharis and brought in some snails for the winter. They live on my kitchen
windowsill. I've done this for a couple of winters - my ponding fix in cold
weather.
I feed them frozen organic lettuce so they don't eat all the anacharis. They
lay eggs on the side of the jar and it is fun to watch the babies hatch.
Every once and a while they crawl out of the jar and fall off the side. If you
catch them soon enough you can return them to the jar.

Very few snails survive in the pond with koi. They live in the filter and on
the waterfall. The frog bog is full of snails (no fish) and so are my container
ponds.




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Old 05-09-2003, 08:12 PM
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"LeeAnne" wrote in message
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Yikes - upon further examination it turns out that I have

not 2 but 4 fish
in my little 'bird pool'. So, the little guys will have

to come in for the
winter (I've got a 55 gallon w/one catfish in it that

shall become their
home).

A few questions...because I'm going to slightly expand...

(and I mean
slightly!!! really I do!!!).

[snips - questions other posters answered)

1a. Best place to buy some sort of prefab waterfall thing?

I'm not really
great at building stuff.


I picked one up at Home Depot a few years ago. If you live
anywhere near San Antonio TX you can have it! I was using
it as a bird bath but not now. Anyway, I don't remember
what it cost but don't think it was that expensive (or I
wouldn't have bought it).

2. Goldfish are pretty hardy, right?


The common goldfish & shubunkins, sure. Probably the main
thing is not to overstock.

The 55 gallon they will go into for
the winter is kept at a constant 80-ish degrees (to keep

Ick away) Ph is
usually a little high, very high phosphates and very hard

water.

I have hard, high pH tap water and my common goldfish &
shubunkins do fine in their pond. I also add some rainwater
but I don't know how much that changes water chemistry.
Temps get into the low 90s (w/ shade) during the summer, and
to the 50s or below during what passes for winter in
Southcentral TX. As far as I know I haven't had any cases
of ick. But maybe goldfish fare differently in ponds than
in aquariums. I only have pond goldfish.

It's the
same town water in the tank that's in the pond, but the

pond, of course,
gets rain water and has live plants in it that the 55

won't have. I usually
keep the light off to prevent algae growth (have very high

phosphates and
the algae grows like nuts). I just want to make sure they

will handle the
transition OK.


I'd check water chemistry carefully, and if that's similar
in both settings, plus water temp is the same, I don't see a
problem in moving your fish indoors. One problem I can
foresee is the much larger bioload in your 55 gallon, so you
might have to do more frequent partial water changes for
awhile.

I'm still not looking for a 'pond-pond' that will attract

all manner of
great blue herons and raccoons. It'll still be a

bird-splashing pool, I'm
going to just dig it out a little deeper and make it a bit

better for the
fishies I have. I also don't want to really have to deal

w/the filtration
and yadda yadda yadda that goes w/a larger pond (mucking

about in it, etc.)

I'm not sure if you can have a goldfish pond without some
kind of filtration (or a heckuva lot of plants) and/or
regular partial water changes. Two of my small ponds have
no filtration, but they only have minnows, tadpoles and
occasionally baby goldfish. The goldfish pond has a
filter/fountain.

Yikes, here I go....
LeeAnne


Sad, isn't it? What is it they say about boats, a hole in
the water into which you throw your money? Ponds are a hole
in the ground into which you throw your money. But IMO
it's well worth it!

Gail


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Old 05-09-2003, 10:32 PM
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Hi Gail,

Thank you for all the information - I live near Boston, so I can't take you
up on your waterfall offer :-( but I will take a look around my local Home
Depot to see if I can take advantage of some year end sales on pond stuff
:-)

I have no idea what kind of gold fish they are - I haven't been able to get
a good look at them, fast little buggers they are. I would say they aren't
the fancy schmancy type you see in the pet stores w/the flowing fins - they
are sort of torpedo shaped. As far as I can tell one is almost all gold,
one is mostly black and the other two are a combination of black and gold,
one having more of one than the other.

The 55 gallon right now only has one catfish in it - the rest died off
slowly and I've not added more stock due to a planned move of the tank -
figured less fish = easier to move, less fish to stress, etc.

The only filtration I have now is a Tetra pond fountain that sits on bottom
of the pond w/the tube extending above the surface -- I have the 'shower
mode' on right now - so it has filter media that I take out a couple times a
week and hose down (gets clogged w/goop) -- it gets plenty of aeration and I
add water to it daily due to evaporation and I had a small leak where the
liner fell, but I fixed that.

Have a great weekend,
LeeAnne


"Gail Futoran" wrote in message
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I picked one up at Home Depot a few years ago. If you live
anywhere near San Antonio TX you can have it! I was using
it as a bird bath but not now. Anyway, I don't remember
what it cost but don't think it was that expensive (or I
wouldn't have bought it).

2. Goldfish are pretty hardy, right?


The common goldfish & shubunkins, sure. Probably the main
thing is not to overstock.

The 55 gallon they will go into for
the winter is kept at a constant 80-ish degrees (to keep

Ick away) Ph is
usually a little high, very high phosphates and very hard

water.

I have hard, high pH tap water and my common goldfish &
shubunkins do fine in their pond. I also add some rainwater
but I don't know how much that changes water chemistry.
Temps get into the low 90s (w/ shade) during the summer, and
to the 50s or below during what passes for winter in
Southcentral TX. As far as I know I haven't had any cases
of ick. But maybe goldfish fare differently in ponds than
in aquariums. I only have pond goldfish.

It's the
same town water in the tank that's in the pond, but the

pond, of course,
gets rain water and has live plants in it that the 55

won't have. I usually
keep the light off to prevent algae growth (have very high

phosphates and
the algae grows like nuts). I just want to make sure they

will handle the
transition OK.


I'd check water chemistry carefully, and if that's similar
in both settings, plus water temp is the same, I don't see a
problem in moving your fish indoors. One problem I can
foresee is the much larger bioload in your 55 gallon, so you
might have to do more frequent partial water changes for
awhile.

I'm still not looking for a 'pond-pond' that will attract

all manner of
great blue herons and raccoons. It'll still be a

bird-splashing pool, I'm
going to just dig it out a little deeper and make it a bit

better for the
fishies I have. I also don't want to really have to deal

w/the filtration
and yadda yadda yadda that goes w/a larger pond (mucking

about in it, etc.)

I'm not sure if you can have a goldfish pond without some
kind of filtration (or a heckuva lot of plants) and/or
regular partial water changes. Two of my small ponds have
no filtration, but they only have minnows, tadpoles and
occasionally baby goldfish. The goldfish pond has a
filter/fountain.

Yikes, here I go....
LeeAnne


Sad, isn't it? What is it they say about boats, a hole in
the water into which you throw your money? Ponds are a hole
in the ground into which you throw your money. But IMO
it's well worth it!

Gail




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What is it they say about boats, a hole in
the water into which you throw your money? Ponds are a hole
in the ground into which you throw your money. But IMO
it's well worth it! Gail


The nice thing about a pond is it is always in use and can be enjoyed at 5
minute intervals if need be. Unlike a boat. ;o) ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

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yeah and you don't have to put gas in your pond :-)

~LeeAnne
-waiting for comments on feeding fish beans or something.....

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
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minute intervals if need be. Unlike a boat. ;o) ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
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