Hey folks,

I ment to post this link before but then forgot.

On this page you get a report with lots of pictures as how it can look like
when doing a PP treatment.

It may be of some help for people wanting or needing to do this treatment
for the first time. I know I always shied away, but this summer I had to
bite the bullet because of Trichodina on a few fish, so I decided to
document the treatment.

Disclaimer: this info is what it looked like in *my* pond, your mileage may
vary, so please don't just copy what I did as this stuff is quite powerful.
The article does point on several occasions to Roark's ultimate FAQ, which
was my guide all along.

Normally I'd say "don't start a ruck" over PP, but as the newsgroup is a bit
like our fish at the moment (calmly hovering at the bottom with these colder
temps ) it may or may not be a good time to sparkle off a healthy debate.

Enjoy

I'm proud to say smirk that an adapted version will be published in a
Dutch koi magazine this Christmas. Fame !

http://www.wide-o.net/pptreatment/

Theo

Your photographs are extraordinarily clear and detailed. Are you using
a digital camera? Is it a big (unoptimized) file? Very impressive!

Ruth Kazez

Theo van Daele wrote:
Hey folks,

I ment to post this link before but then forgot.

On this page you get a report with lots of pictures as how it can look like
when doing a PP treatment.
...............
..............
............

Enjoy

I'm proud to say smirk that an adapted version will be published in a
Dutch koi magazine this Christmas. Fame !

http://www.wide-o.net/pptreatment/

Theo

very glad you diluted the PP out, but it is better to make stock solutions once and
then the chance of overdose is very, very limited.
so. do the fish look better? after losing two fish last year to infected eggs, my
pond AND my veggie filter are now netted to keep birds out. No problems since last
August. the birds were using the veggie filter to bathe in and crap of course.
Ingrid


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Hey Ruth,

It is a digital camera indeed, for detail, it's a Minolta DImage 7i. (5
megapixel thingiemadoodie

They are taken at medium resolution and with (lossy) JPEG compression, then
sized down to 800x600 for easier web viewing.

The raw files at maximum resolution are 15 Mb a piece, so not very useful
for internet purposes. I'm extremely pleased with it and it's results.

Thanks for the kind comments,

Theo

"rtk" schreef in bericht
. net...
Your photographs are extraordinarily clear and detailed. Are you using
a digital camera? Is it a big (unoptimized) file? Very impressive!

Ruth Kazez

True Ingrid, but it was the first time, so I had to start from scratch

The fish did fine, and the kohaku that was most infected is almost cured now
(some tiny spots left, but he'll have to build up his slimecoat/immune
system again)

The treatment was done 2 months ago now, so it's not like you get "instant"
results, but his skin welt almost black in some places just after the
treatment, so that means there were indeed quite a few nasties on him that
got zapped.

The koi vet seemed to think it was birds (or bird droppings) as well BTW as
the water quality was very good, and most of the other fish only had traces
or no parasites at all.

As you know better than I do probably, PP is just a tool, and in this case
it surely has helped.

Thanks,

Theo

Over here, or maybe just because I live in a pro nuclear power area, we
call it "Nuking the Pond". (PP is used in the process that decontaminates
nuclear plants, btw.) ) ~ jan
See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Defrosted~
Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

Jan, I'm "old Europe" ;-) so I'm still using the bomb thing. I need to
catch up !

PP is used in the process that decontaminates
nuclear plants, btw.) )

Really ? I honestly didn't know. Any more info on this ?

It seems to have many uses. The lady pharmacist told me tongue in cheek
that she learned about it in school because it used to be a medicine for...
erm... female... erm ... infection erm...etc etc :blush:

;-)

Theo

Oops, I should have read the whole article first, wherein you mention the
scientific term Nuke. ;o)

Question for you, my understanding was that H2O2 would counteract the
treatment so why did you feel the need to have enough dechlor on hand just
in case?

It was also my understanding not to treat with either, but leave the water
brown between treatments.... or is that because many people use to much
product, and detox their additional PP treatments if they don't wait long
enough?

Great article, btw! ~ jan


See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Defrosted~
Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

Theo,

Fascinating - absolutely fascinating! Your article and
pictures are wonderful.

Congratulations on the article getting published!

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Theo van Daele" wrote in message
...
Hey folks,

I ment to post this link before but then forgot.

On this page you get a report with lots of pictures as how it can look
like
when doing a PP treatment.

It may be of some help for people wanting or needing to do this treatment
for the first time. I know I always shied away, but this summer I had to
bite the bullet because of Trichodina on a few fish, so I decided to
document the treatment.

Disclaimer: this info is what it looked like in *my* pond, your mileage
may
vary, so please don't just copy what I did as this stuff is quite
powerful.
The article does point on several occasions to Roark's ultimate FAQ, which
was my guide all along.

Normally I'd say "don't start a ruck" over PP, but as the newsgroup is a
bit
like our fish at the moment (calmly hovering at the bottom with these
colder
temps ) it may or may not be a good time to sparkle off a healthy
debate.

Enjoy

I'm proud to say smirk that an adapted version will be published in a
Dutch koi magazine this Christmas. Fame !

http://www.wide-o.net/pptreatment/

Theo

there is evidence that even the brown is still "active". Ingrid

~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
It was also my understanding not to treat with either, but leave the water
brown between treatments.... or is that because many people use to much
product, and detox their additional PP treatments if they don't wait long
enough?


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

in the US it was used to treat athletes foot aka fungus. at least that is how my
mother treated my brothers feet. Ingrid

"Theo van Daele" wrote:

Jan, I'm "old Europe" ;-) so I'm still using the bomb thing. I need to
catch up !

PP is used in the process that decontaminates
nuclear plants, btw.) )

Really ? I honestly didn't know. Any more info on this ?

It seems to have many uses. The lady pharmacist told me tongue in cheek
that she learned about it in school because it used to be a medicine for...
erm... female... erm ... infection erm...etc etc :blush:

;-)

Theo




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www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

I bought the ORP meter to help me determine the level of activity, because I
have problems telling brown or tea, from pink/purple in the treatments. I
found with my treatments, that the brown color that I would ordinarily have
neutralized the PP the ORP value said it was still very much active. Even
an hour after it had turned brown, by my eyes, it was still marginally in
the active range. The use of Hydrogen Peroxide to clear the water, also
neutralizes the PP and per Doc Johnson, the H2O2 remains active for up to 3
days, whereas sodium thio is used up in 24 hours.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


wrote in message
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there is evidence that even the brown is still "active". Ingrid

~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
It was also my understanding not to treat with either, but leave the
water
brown between treatments.... or is that because many people use to much
product, and detox their additional PP treatments if they don't wait long
enough?


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

Then it is probably wise to tell folks, who don't have a meter, to detox
between treatments so they don't over treat. Thanks for the additional info
between ST & H2O2. ) ~ jan

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:10:14 GMT, "RichToyBox" wrote:

I bought the ORP meter to help me determine the level of activity, because I
have problems telling brown or tea, from pink/purple in the treatments. I
found with my treatments, that the brown color that I would ordinarily have
neutralized the PP the ORP value said it was still very much active. Even
an hour after it had turned brown, by my eyes, it was still marginally in
the active range. The use of Hydrogen Peroxide to clear the water, also
neutralizes the PP and per Doc Johnson, the H2O2 remains active for up to 3
days, whereas sodium thio is used up in 24 hours.

See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Defrosted~
Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

that is odd, cause Roark found that any PP in the water instantly converts the
peroxide to oxygen and water. Ingrid

"RichToyBox" wrote:

I bought the ORP meter to help me determine the level of activity, because I
have problems telling brown or tea, from pink/purple in the treatments. I
found with my treatments, that the brown color that I would ordinarily have
neutralized the PP the ORP value said it was still very much active. Even
an hour after it had turned brown, by my eyes, it was still marginally in
the active range. The use of Hydrogen Peroxide to clear the water, also
neutralizes the PP and per Doc Johnson, the H2O2 remains active for up to 3
days, whereas sodium thio is used up in 24 hours.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

Without PP the peroxide will apparently have some residual, and the
treatment using peroxide is to some excess to completely expend the PP and
allow the water to clear. The excess that is still in the water will
neutralize some of the next PP dose which turns it brown prematurely.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


wrote in message
...
that is odd, cause Roark found that any PP in the water instantly converts
the
peroxide to oxygen and water. Ingrid

"RichToyBox" wrote:

I bought the ORP meter to help me determine the level of activity,
because I
have problems telling brown or tea, from pink/purple in the treatments.
I
found with my treatments, that the brown color that I would ordinarily
have
neutralized the PP the ORP value said it was still very much active.
Even
an hour after it had turned brown, by my eyes, it was still marginally in
the active range. The use of Hydrogen Peroxide to clear the water, also
neutralizes the PP and per Doc Johnson, the H2O2 remains active for up to
3
days, whereas sodium thio is used up in 24 hours.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.