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"Bomb the pond" in pictures
Hey folks,
I ment to post this link before but then forgot. On this page you get a report with lots of pictures as how it can look like when doing a PP treatment. It may be of some help for people wanting or needing to do this treatment for the first time. I know I always shied away, but this summer I had to bite the bullet because of Trichodina on a few fish, so I decided to document the treatment. Disclaimer: this info is what it looked like in *my* pond, your mileage may vary, so please don't just copy what I did as this stuff is quite powerful. The article does point on several occasions to Roark's ultimate FAQ, which was my guide all along. Normally I'd say "don't start a ruck" over PP, but as the newsgroup is a bit like our fish at the moment (calmly hovering at the bottom with these colder temps ;) ) it may or may not be a good time to sparkle off a healthy debate. Enjoy :) I'm proud to say smirk that an adapted version will be published in a Dutch koi magazine this Christmas. Fame ! ;) http://www.wide-o.net/pptreatment/ Theo |
"Bomb the pond" in pictures
Your photographs are extraordinarily clear and detailed. Are you using
a digital camera? Is it a big (unoptimized) file? Very impressive! Ruth Kazez Theo van Daele wrote: Hey folks, I ment to post this link before but then forgot. On this page you get a report with lots of pictures as how it can look like when doing a PP treatment. ............... .............. ............ Enjoy :) I'm proud to say smirk that an adapted version will be published in a Dutch koi magazine this Christmas. Fame ! ;) http://www.wide-o.net/pptreatment/ Theo |
"Bomb the pond" in pictures
very glad you diluted the PP out, but it is better to make stock solutions once and
then the chance of overdose is very, very limited. so. do the fish look better? after losing two fish last year to infected eggs, my pond AND my veggie filter are now netted to keep birds out. No problems since last August. the birds were using the veggie filter to bathe in and crap of course. Ingrid ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
"Bomb the pond" in pictures
Hey Ruth,
It is a digital camera indeed, for detail, it's a Minolta DImage 7i. (5 megapixel thingiemadoodie ;) They are taken at medium resolution and with (lossy) JPEG compression, then sized down to 800x600 for easier web viewing. The raw files at maximum resolution are 15 Mb a piece, so not very useful for internet purposes. I'm extremely pleased with it and it's results. Thanks for the kind comments, Theo "rtk" schreef in bericht . net... Your photographs are extraordinarily clear and detailed. Are you using a digital camera? Is it a big (unoptimized) file? Very impressive! Ruth Kazez |
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True Ingrid, but it was the first time, so I had to start from scratch :eek:
The fish did fine, and the kohaku that was most infected is almost cured now (some tiny spots left, but he'll have to build up his slimecoat/immune system again) The treatment was done 2 months ago now, so it's not like you get "instant" results, but his skin welt almost black in some places just after the treatment, so that means there were indeed quite a few nasties on him that got zapped. The koi vet seemed to think it was birds (or bird droppings) as well BTW as the water quality was very good, and most of the other fish only had traces or no parasites at all. As you know better than I do probably, PP is just a tool, and in this case it surely has helped. Thanks, Theo |
"Bomb the pond" in pictures
Over here, or maybe just because I live in a pro nuclear power area, we
call it "Nuking the Pond". (PP is used in the process that decontaminates nuclear plants, btw.) :o) ~ jan See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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Jan, I'm "old Europe" ;-) so I'm still using the bomb thing. I need to
catch up ! PP is used in the process that decontaminates nuclear plants, btw.) :o) Really ? I honestly didn't know. Any more info on this ? It seems to have many uses. The lady pharmacist told me tongue in cheek that she learned about it in school because it used to be a medicine for... erm... female... erm ... infection erm...etc etc :eek: :blush: ;-) Theo |
"Bomb the pond" in pictures
Oops, I should have read the whole article first, wherein you mention the
scientific term Nuke. ;o) Question for you, my understanding was that H2O2 would counteract the treatment so why did you feel the need to have enough dechlor on hand just in case? It was also my understanding not to treat with either, but leave the water brown between treatments.... or is that because many people use to much product, and detox their additional PP treatments if they don't wait long enough? Great article, btw! ~ jan See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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Theo,
Fascinating - absolutely fascinating! Your article and pictures are wonderful. Congratulations on the article getting published! Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Theo van Daele" wrote in message ... Hey folks, I ment to post this link before but then forgot. On this page you get a report with lots of pictures as how it can look like when doing a PP treatment. It may be of some help for people wanting or needing to do this treatment for the first time. I know I always shied away, but this summer I had to bite the bullet because of Trichodina on a few fish, so I decided to document the treatment. Disclaimer: this info is what it looked like in *my* pond, your mileage may vary, so please don't just copy what I did as this stuff is quite powerful. The article does point on several occasions to Roark's ultimate FAQ, which was my guide all along. Normally I'd say "don't start a ruck" over PP, but as the newsgroup is a bit like our fish at the moment (calmly hovering at the bottom with these colder temps ;) ) it may or may not be a good time to sparkle off a healthy debate. Enjoy :) I'm proud to say smirk that an adapted version will be published in a Dutch koi magazine this Christmas. Fame ! ;) http://www.wide-o.net/pptreatment/ Theo |
"Bomb the pond" in pictures
there is evidence that even the brown is still "active". Ingrid
~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: It was also my understanding not to treat with either, but leave the water brown between treatments.... or is that because many people use to much product, and detox their additional PP treatments if they don't wait long enough? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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in the US it was used to treat athletes foot aka fungus. at least that is how my
mother treated my brothers feet. Ingrid "Theo van Daele" wrote: Jan, I'm "old Europe" ;-) so I'm still using the bomb thing. I need to catch up ! PP is used in the process that decontaminates nuclear plants, btw.) :o) Really ? I honestly didn't know. Any more info on this ? It seems to have many uses. The lady pharmacist told me tongue in cheek that she learned about it in school because it used to be a medicine for... erm... female... erm ... infection erm...etc etc :eek: :blush: ;-) Theo ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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I bought the ORP meter to help me determine the level of activity, because I
have problems telling brown or tea, from pink/purple in the treatments. I found with my treatments, that the brown color that I would ordinarily have neutralized the PP the ORP value said it was still very much active. Even an hour after it had turned brown, by my eyes, it was still marginally in the active range. The use of Hydrogen Peroxide to clear the water, also neutralizes the PP and per Doc Johnson, the H2O2 remains active for up to 3 days, whereas sodium thio is used up in 24 hours. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html wrote in message ... there is evidence that even the brown is still "active". Ingrid ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: It was also my understanding not to treat with either, but leave the water brown between treatments.... or is that because many people use to much product, and detox their additional PP treatments if they don't wait long enough? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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Then it is probably wise to tell folks, who don't have a meter, to detox
between treatments so they don't over treat. Thanks for the additional info between ST & H2O2. :o) ~ jan On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:10:14 GMT, "RichToyBox" wrote: I bought the ORP meter to help me determine the level of activity, because I have problems telling brown or tea, from pink/purple in the treatments. I found with my treatments, that the brown color that I would ordinarily have neutralized the PP the ORP value said it was still very much active. Even an hour after it had turned brown, by my eyes, it was still marginally in the active range. The use of Hydrogen Peroxide to clear the water, also neutralizes the PP and per Doc Johnson, the H2O2 remains active for up to 3 days, whereas sodium thio is used up in 24 hours. See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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that is odd, cause Roark found that any PP in the water instantly converts the
peroxide to oxygen and water. Ingrid "RichToyBox" wrote: I bought the ORP meter to help me determine the level of activity, because I have problems telling brown or tea, from pink/purple in the treatments. I found with my treatments, that the brown color that I would ordinarily have neutralized the PP the ORP value said it was still very much active. Even an hour after it had turned brown, by my eyes, it was still marginally in the active range. The use of Hydrogen Peroxide to clear the water, also neutralizes the PP and per Doc Johnson, the H2O2 remains active for up to 3 days, whereas sodium thio is used up in 24 hours. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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Without PP the peroxide will apparently have some residual, and the
treatment using peroxide is to some excess to completely expend the PP and allow the water to clear. The excess that is still in the water will neutralize some of the next PP dose which turns it brown prematurely. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html wrote in message ... that is odd, cause Roark found that any PP in the water instantly converts the peroxide to oxygen and water. Ingrid "RichToyBox" wrote: I bought the ORP meter to help me determine the level of activity, because I have problems telling brown or tea, from pink/purple in the treatments. I found with my treatments, that the brown color that I would ordinarily have neutralized the PP the ORP value said it was still very much active. Even an hour after it had turned brown, by my eyes, it was still marginally in the active range. The use of Hydrogen Peroxide to clear the water, also neutralizes the PP and per Doc Johnson, the H2O2 remains active for up to 3 days, whereas sodium thio is used up in 24 hours. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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