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14-12-2003, 02:33 PM
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Saddam Hussien has been captured
Now maybe this war will be over, and the world can get back to normal.
Or at least a semblance of normalcy. |
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14-12-2003, 03:03 PM
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Saddam Hussien has been captured
No a hair cut and a shave . A TV interview,
Two days of press conferences. "GrannyGrump" wrote in message ... Now maybe this war will be over, and the world can get back to normal. Or at least a semblance of normalcy. |
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14-12-2003, 05:34 PM
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Saddam Hussien has been captured
Xref: kermit rec.ponds:136380
I don't think anyone is any happier than I am that Saddam Hussien has been caught. I also know the War on Terror is not over so quickly. Side note: Grandson Nathan - wounded twice - is now in Germany and will be home for about a month. Hooray!! His twin, Mike, is also coming home for a grand reunion. Nedra You can see the twins pictures he http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "GrannyGrump" wrote in message ... Now maybe this war will be over, and the world can get back to normal. Or at least a semblance of normalcy. |
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14-12-2003, 10:03 PM
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Saddam Hussien has been captured
but down a rat whole and looking like Charles Manson and being taken alive. who
woulda thought it would end like this. Ingrid ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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15-12-2003, 01:36 PM
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Saddam Hussien has been captured
Looking like the homeless while sitting on $750,000 US, to boot!
I'm sure the rats weren't too happy to be caught keeping company with such a lowly beast. ~ jan On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:00:19 GMT, wrote: but down a rat whole and looking like Charles Manson and being taken alive. who woulda thought it would end like this. Ingrid See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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15-12-2003, 01:36 PM
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Saddam Hussien has been captured
Looking like the homeless while sitting on $750,000 US, to boot!
I'm sure the rats weren't too happy to be caught keeping company with such a lowly beast. ~ jan On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:00:19 GMT, wrote: but down a rat whole and looking like Charles Manson and being taken alive. who woulda thought it would end like this. Ingrid See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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15-12-2003, 02:46 PM
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Saddam Hussien has been captured
Looking like the homeless while sitting on $750,000 US, to boot!
I'm sure the rats weren't too happy to be caught keeping company with such a lowly beast. ~ jan On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:00:19 GMT, wrote: but down a rat whole and looking like Charles Manson and being taken alive. who woulda thought it would end like this. Ingrid See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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#9
15-12-2003, 02:47 PM
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Saddam Hussien has been captured
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but down a rat whole and looking like Charles Manson and being taken alive. who woulda thought it would end like this. Ingrid the scuttlebut is...... The mice and rats have filed a slander suit for being mentioned w/ Saddam when he was caught! thier defense motion is that they are nowhere as bad as him and are also demanding restitution to clean and fumigate the hole. ;p ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. -- -- http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold, 401-781-9642 cell 401-225-0556 Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators Shipping to legal states/countries only! Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps Linux (SuSE 8.2) user #329121 Please Note: No trees or animals were harmed in the sending of this contaminant free message We do concede that a signicant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced  |
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15-12-2003, 03:23 PM
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Saddam Hussien has been captured
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but down a rat whole and looking like Charles Manson and being taken alive. who woulda thought it would end like this. Ingrid the scuttlebut is...... The mice and rats have filed a slander suit for being mentioned w/ Saddam when he was caught! thier defense motion is that they are nowhere as bad as him and are also demanding restitution to clean and fumigate the hole. ;p ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. -- -- http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold, 401-781-9642 cell 401-225-0556 Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators Shipping to legal states/countries only! Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps Linux (SuSE 8.2) user #329121 Please Note: No trees or animals were harmed in the sending of this contaminant free message We do concede that a signicant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced |
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#11
16-12-2003, 01:32 AM
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Saddam Hussien has been captured
I am extremely surprised and happy to hear that Saddam was captured alive.
It gives us considerable credibility and it was the right thing to do. Hopefully he will get an honest and fair trial without it damaging us. There is nothing nice that I can think of to say about the man but the fact is that there are a lot of leaders out there that are worse than he was/is and we turn a blind eye to them if they serve our purpose (as we did Saddam - don't suppose anyone remembers the photo-op of Rummy shaking Saddam's hand which happened after the whole world knew that he had used WMD on the Kurds in his country?). In my opinion Iraq was nothing more than a scapegoat for 911 in which the only connection was that it was a middle east country (yes I know they have Al Qaeda members there as they do here, England, and every other country of importance). We can try to use this to massage our feelings but if we do so and ignore the facts then we are doing a great disservice to a great country (ours). As I tell my children frequently - it is extremely important that you know when you are lying to yourself or rationalizing. You do yourself great harm in doing so and not recognizing it in time to correct it (you can become quite obese if you cannot acknowlege that the 1-3 pounds a year you are putting on is adding up and you need to correct the problem). wrote in message ... but down a rat whole and looking like Charles Manson and being taken alive. who woulda thought it would end like this. Ingrid ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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#12
17-12-2003, 05:32 PM
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Saddam Hussien has been captured
I agree. Like what did we do about Idi Amin. The problem with "saving" the people of
other countries is the same argument against welfare or handouts of any kind. The recipients dont feel grateful, they feel entitled and get very resentful when we expect anything in return. Look at the US population ..... the vast majority would die to protect our freedoms from tyranny. Obviously, the vast majority of Iraqis dont feel that way or somebody woulda taken Saddam and sons out a long time ago. Freedom from tyranny is not a tangible thing and they arent willing to put up with the discomfort of no hot water, no AC, no electricity and other dislocations for "freedom". Everyone in that country got a gun but they cannot scrape themselves together to form a cooperative and protect their homes and themselves from criminals or from terrorists who want to take back control. This is a very poor field to plant freedom in, it will wither and die. Ingrid "D Kat" wrote: the factis that there are a lot of leaders out there that are worse than he was/is and we turn a blind eye to them if they serve our purpose ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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17-12-2003, 07:33 PM
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Saddam Hussien has been captured
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I agree. Like what did we do about Idi Amin. The problem with "saving" the people of other countries is the same argument against welfare or handouts of any kind. The recipients dont feel grateful, they feel entitled and get very resentful when we expect anything in return. Look at the US population ..... the vast majority would die to protect our freedoms from tyranny. Obviously, the vast majority of Iraqis dont feel that way or somebody woulda taken Saddam and sons out a long time ago. yes and no, the loyal "extreme" faction was a constant threat, sorta like the SS in WW2 Germany and europe, the methodology is "fear", its been inbred after so many yrs. of repression. Freedom from tyranny is not a tangible thing and they arent willing to put up with the discomfort of no hot water, no AC, no electricity and other dislocations for "freedom". Everyone in that country got a gun but they cannot scrape themselves together to form a cooperative and protect their homes and themselves from criminals or from terrorists who want to take back control. This is a very poor field to plant freedom in, it will wither and die. Ingrid "D Kat" wrote: the factis that there are a lot of leaders out there that are worse than he was/is and we turn a blind eye to them if they serve our purpose ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. -- -- http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold, 401-781-9642 cell 401-225-0556 Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators Shipping to legal states/countries only! Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps Linux (SuSE 8.2) user #329121 Please Note: No trees or animals were harmed in the sending of this contaminant free message We do concede that a signicant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced |
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#14
18-12-2003, 03:13 AM
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Saddam Hussien has been captured
And so how do a people that have been conditioned in such a way take on the
responsibility of "freedom" which is a damn big responsibility. Even in our country, which has a tradition of independence over 300 years long, in most of our elections the majority of our people do not vote, a large number seldom educate themselves to the facts of the issue (instead depend on gross exaggerations from those who have their own agenda or a press that wishes to "level" the playing field to make things "interesting" even if it means distorting or even not reporting the truth - for heavens sake, there are still people out there that think Saddam was responsible for 911), and many are not just willing but embrace giving up the freedoms that make us what we are so that they may "feel" safe. We humans are extremely talented at rationalizing. I really hope that Iraq becomes the seed of future advance societies and freedom both for their sake and our own. I just don't see how it is going to be accomplished especially in the manner that it is now being done. I would be thrilled to be given hope on the issue. I really want the effort and the great sacrifice of our people there to have meaning. So I am open to anything that anyone has to say that can offer hopeful possibilities. By the by, for those of you that think having a gun is going to protect you from a future government of ours, gone bad (one of the rationalizations for not licensing and monitoring sales of guns) take a look at how well gun ownership in Iraq protected those people from a tyrant. And on another note... IS IT SPRING YET! (we have had TWO large snow storms and it isn't even winter yet). DK "KenCo" wrote in message ... wrote: I agree. Like what did we do about Idi Amin. The problem with "saving" the people of other countries is the same argument against welfare or handouts of any kind. The recipients dont feel grateful, they feel entitled and get very resentful when we expect anything in return. Look at the US population ..... the vast majority would die to protect our freedoms from tyranny. Obviously, the vast majority of Iraqis dont feel that way or somebody woulda taken Saddam and sons out a long time ago. yes and no, the loyal "extreme" faction was a constant threat, sorta like the SS in WW2 Germany and europe, the methodology is "fear", its been inbred after so many yrs. of repression. Freedom from tyranny is not a tangible thing and they arent willing to put up with the discomfort of no hot water, no AC, no electricity and other dislocations for "freedom". Everyone in that country got a gun but they cannot scrape themselves together to form a cooperative and protect their homes and themselves from criminals or from terrorists who want to take back control. This is a very poor field to plant freedom in, it will wither and die. Ingrid "D Kat" wrote: the factis that there are a lot of leaders out there that are worse than he was/is and we turn a blind eye to them if they serve our purpose ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. -- -- http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold, 401-781-9642 cell 401-225-0556 Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators Shipping to legal states/countries only! Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps Linux (SuSE 8.2) user #329121 Please Note: No trees or animals were harmed in the sending of this contaminant free message We do concede that a signicant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced |
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