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I visited a Koi show at Fairchild Tropical Garden this past Saturday.
I added three fish to a happy pond. Bought two and he gave one for free. The largest of the new guys was dead on Tuesday morning and another is scratching at the bottom. The third seems to be getting along. The vender says to add 2# rock salt/100 gallons of pond. I'm concerned weather I just contaninated my clean pond environment. |
adding new Koi
Yep, the ponds been nailed :-(
Quarantine sucks but it's the only way to keep everything safe. 2# isn't enough (won't kill anything), you need 4#, Use non-iodized, mineral-free salt only. Dosage is 4 lbs. of salt per 100 gallons of water add the dose over a day or two. Needs to be left in for at least 21 days. Followed by 50% water change. Be sure to remove the plants before salting It's best if you can get a look at what they've got under a microscope. good luck On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:12:32 GMT, "bk" wrote: I visited a Koi show at Fairchild Tropical Garden this past Saturday. I added three fish to a happy pond. Bought two and he gave one for free. The largest of the new guys was dead on Tuesday morning and another is scratching at the bottom. The third seems to be getting along. The vender says to add 2# rock salt/100 gallons of pond. I'm concerned weather I just contaninated my clean pond environment. |
adding new Koi
#&$% !!!
Where do I get this salt? It certainly sounds like a ton of salt for my little pond. 1200 gallons at 4/100 is 48 pounds. Man I never expected to have more slat ware tanks. Quarantine: Should I be removing the rest of the fish or just the sick ones. How big of a contanter can they survive in during the process? How long is teh qurantine process. This does suck. Three years and never the slightest problem. "DesertPond" wrote in message ... Yep, the ponds been nailed :-( Quarantine sucks but it's the only way to keep everything safe. 2# isn't enough (won't kill anything), you need 4#, Use non-iodized, mineral-free salt only. Dosage is 4 lbs. of salt per 100 gallons of water add the dose over a day or two. Needs to be left in for at least 21 days. Followed by 50% water change. Be sure to remove the plants before salting It's best if you can get a look at what they've got under a microscope. good luck On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:12:32 GMT, "bk" wrote: I visited a Koi show at Fairchild Tropical Garden this past Saturday. I added three fish to a happy pond. Bought two and he gave one for free. The largest of the new guys was dead on Tuesday morning and another is scratching at the bottom. The third seems to be getting along. The vender says to add 2# rock salt/100 gallons of pond. I'm concerned weather I just contaninated my clean pond environment. |
adding new Koi
#&$% !!!
Where do I get this salt? It certainly sounds like a ton of salt for my little pond. 1200 gallons at 4/100 is 48 pounds. Man I never expected to have more slat ware tanks. Quarantine: Should I be removing the rest of the fish or just the sick ones. How big of a contanter can they survive in during the process? How long is teh qurantine process. This does suck. Three years and never the slightest problem. "DesertPond" wrote in message ... Yep, the ponds been nailed :-( Quarantine sucks but it's the only way to keep everything safe. 2# isn't enough (won't kill anything), you need 4#, Use non-iodized, mineral-free salt only. Dosage is 4 lbs. of salt per 100 gallons of water add the dose over a day or two. Needs to be left in for at least 21 days. Followed by 50% water change. Be sure to remove the plants before salting It's best if you can get a look at what they've got under a microscope. good luck On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:12:32 GMT, "bk" wrote: I visited a Koi show at Fairchild Tropical Garden this past Saturday. I added three fish to a happy pond. Bought two and he gave one for free. The largest of the new guys was dead on Tuesday morning and another is scratching at the bottom. The third seems to be getting along. The vender says to add 2# rock salt/100 gallons of pond. I'm concerned weather I just contaninated my clean pond environment. |
adding new Koi
#&$% !!!
Where do I get this salt? It certainly sounds like a ton of salt for my little pond. 1200 gallons at 4/100 is 48 pounds. Man I never expected to have more slat ware tanks. Quarantine: Should I be removing the rest of the fish or just the sick ones. How big of a contanter can they survive in during the process? How long is teh qurantine process. This does suck. Three years and never the slightest problem. "DesertPond" wrote in message ... Yep, the ponds been nailed :-( Quarantine sucks but it's the only way to keep everything safe. 2# isn't enough (won't kill anything), you need 4#, Use non-iodized, mineral-free salt only. Dosage is 4 lbs. of salt per 100 gallons of water add the dose over a day or two. Needs to be left in for at least 21 days. Followed by 50% water change. Be sure to remove the plants before salting It's best if you can get a look at what they've got under a microscope. good luck On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:12:32 GMT, "bk" wrote: I visited a Koi show at Fairchild Tropical Garden this past Saturday. I added three fish to a happy pond. Bought two and he gave one for free. The largest of the new guys was dead on Tuesday morning and another is scratching at the bottom. The third seems to be getting along. The vender says to add 2# rock salt/100 gallons of pond. I'm concerned weather I just contaninated my clean pond environment. |
adding new Koi
#&$% !!!
Where do I get this salt? It certainly sounds like a ton of salt for my little pond. 1200 gallons at 4/100 is 48 pounds. Man I never expected to have more slat ware tanks. Quarantine: Should I be removing the rest of the fish or just the sick ones. How big of a contanter can they survive in during the process? How long is teh qurantine process. This does suck. Three years and never the slightest problem. "DesertPond" wrote in message ... Yep, the ponds been nailed :-( Quarantine sucks but it's the only way to keep everything safe. 2# isn't enough (won't kill anything), you need 4#, Use non-iodized, mineral-free salt only. Dosage is 4 lbs. of salt per 100 gallons of water add the dose over a day or two. Needs to be left in for at least 21 days. Followed by 50% water change. Be sure to remove the plants before salting It's best if you can get a look at what they've got under a microscope. good luck On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:12:32 GMT, "bk" wrote: I visited a Koi show at Fairchild Tropical Garden this past Saturday. I added three fish to a happy pond. Bought two and he gave one for free. The largest of the new guys was dead on Tuesday morning and another is scratching at the bottom. The third seems to be getting along. The vender says to add 2# rock salt/100 gallons of pond. I'm concerned weather I just contaninated my clean pond environment. |
adding new Koi
Get the salt at Home Depot or Lowes. The plain 99% pure water softener
salt, not the one with corrosion inhibitors or whatever. It comes in a 40 pound bag and is just a few dollars. For your size pond, I would use one bag, split over two or three doses. Flashing generally means flukes and salt is only effective with flukes about 1/3 of the time. Better would be Praziquantel, or SupaVerm. Both of these are specific to the flat worms, of which the flukes are one of. The quarantine should have been performed for the new fish before they were introduced to the existing pond and fish. Typical quarantine time is 3 to 6 weeks, and the quarantine facility has to have very good filtration, or the fish will not survive. Water quality testing is imperative. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "bk" wrote in message link.net... #&$% !!! Where do I get this salt? It certainly sounds like a ton of salt for my little pond. 1200 gallons at 4/100 is 48 pounds. Man I never expected to have more slat ware tanks. Quarantine: Should I be removing the rest of the fish or just the sick ones. How big of a contanter can they survive in during the process? How long is teh qurantine process. This does suck. Three years and never the slightest problem. "DesertPond" wrote in message ... Yep, the ponds been nailed :-( Quarantine sucks but it's the only way to keep everything safe. 2# isn't enough (won't kill anything), you need 4#, Use non-iodized, mineral-free salt only. Dosage is 4 lbs. of salt per 100 gallons of water add the dose over a day or two. Needs to be left in for at least 21 days. Followed by 50% water change. Be sure to remove the plants before salting It's best if you can get a look at what they've got under a microscope. good luck On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:12:32 GMT, "bk" wrote: I visited a Koi show at Fairchild Tropical Garden this past Saturday. I added three fish to a happy pond. Bought two and he gave one for free. The largest of the new guys was dead on Tuesday morning and another is scratching at the bottom. The third seems to be getting along. The vender says to add 2# rock salt/100 gallons of pond. I'm concerned weather I just contaninated my clean pond environment. |
adding new Koi
Get the salt at Home Depot or Lowes. The plain 99% pure water softener
salt, not the one with corrosion inhibitors or whatever. It comes in a 40 pound bag and is just a few dollars. For your size pond, I would use one bag, split over two or three doses. Flashing generally means flukes and salt is only effective with flukes about 1/3 of the time. Better would be Praziquantel, or SupaVerm. Both of these are specific to the flat worms, of which the flukes are one of. The quarantine should have been performed for the new fish before they were introduced to the existing pond and fish. Typical quarantine time is 3 to 6 weeks, and the quarantine facility has to have very good filtration, or the fish will not survive. Water quality testing is imperative. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "bk" wrote in message link.net... #&$% !!! Where do I get this salt? It certainly sounds like a ton of salt for my little pond. 1200 gallons at 4/100 is 48 pounds. Man I never expected to have more slat ware tanks. Quarantine: Should I be removing the rest of the fish or just the sick ones. How big of a contanter can they survive in during the process? How long is teh qurantine process. This does suck. Three years and never the slightest problem. "DesertPond" wrote in message ... Yep, the ponds been nailed :-( Quarantine sucks but it's the only way to keep everything safe. 2# isn't enough (won't kill anything), you need 4#, Use non-iodized, mineral-free salt only. Dosage is 4 lbs. of salt per 100 gallons of water add the dose over a day or two. Needs to be left in for at least 21 days. Followed by 50% water change. Be sure to remove the plants before salting It's best if you can get a look at what they've got under a microscope. good luck On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:12:32 GMT, "bk" wrote: I visited a Koi show at Fairchild Tropical Garden this past Saturday. I added three fish to a happy pond. Bought two and he gave one for free. The largest of the new guys was dead on Tuesday morning and another is scratching at the bottom. The third seems to be getting along. The vender says to add 2# rock salt/100 gallons of pond. I'm concerned weather I just contaninated my clean pond environment. |
adding new Koi
How large of a quarentine setup is required?
I've gone a limited yard. I couldn't do more thatn say a 20 gallon platic tub or tank. I assume water for quarantine should be from the pond? "RichToyBox" wrote in message news:APZPb.103559$5V2.387246@attbi_s53... Get the salt at Home Depot or Lowes. The plain 99% pure water softener salt, not the one with corrosion inhibitors or whatever. It comes in a 40 pound bag and is just a few dollars. For your size pond, I would use one bag, split over two or three doses. Flashing generally means flukes and salt is only effective with flukes about 1/3 of the time. Better would be Praziquantel, or SupaVerm. Both of these are specific to the flat worms, of which the flukes are one of. The quarantine should have been performed for the new fish before they were introduced to the existing pond and fish. Typical quarantine time is 3 to 6 weeks, and the quarantine facility has to have very good filtration, or the fish will not survive. Water quality testing is imperative. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "bk" wrote in message link.net... #&$% !!! Where do I get this salt? It certainly sounds like a ton of salt for my little pond. 1200 gallons at 4/100 is 48 pounds. Man I never expected to have more slat ware tanks. Quarantine: Should I be removing the rest of the fish or just the sick ones. How big of a contanter can they survive in during the process? How long is teh qurantine process. This does suck. Three years and never the slightest problem. "DesertPond" wrote in message ... Yep, the ponds been nailed :-( Quarantine sucks but it's the only way to keep everything safe. 2# isn't enough (won't kill anything), you need 4#, Use non-iodized, mineral-free salt only. Dosage is 4 lbs. of salt per 100 gallons of water add the dose over a day or two. Needs to be left in for at least 21 days. Followed by 50% water change. Be sure to remove the plants before salting It's best if you can get a look at what they've got under a microscope. good luck On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:12:32 GMT, "bk" wrote: I visited a Koi show at Fairchild Tropical Garden this past Saturday. I added three fish to a happy pond. Bought two and he gave one for free. The largest of the new guys was dead on Tuesday morning and another is scratching at the bottom. The third seems to be getting along. The vender says to add 2# rock salt/100 gallons of pond. I'm concerned weather I just contaninated my clean pond environment. |
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"DesertPond" wrote in message ... Yep, the ponds been nailed :-( snip My 2 cents...You added three fish. One died, the others are fine, and your pond is fine, or appears to be. Something in my guy says treating the whole pond for one dead fish is too preemtive. BV. www.iheartmypond.com |
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bk wrote:
Where do I get this salt? Try the hardware stores, maybe the bulk foods outlets, places that sell to commercial fishermen. 50# bags of salt should run less than $10/bag. Coarse salt is used on roads, sometimes. It's cheap, but messes up cars and roadside vegetation. Fine is generally used in food processing. The coarse salt is slower to dissolve, but is "better behaved" in that the grains are less likely to float out into areas where you don't want grains of salt. I'd put it in a mesh bag and hang it in front of the water flow into the pool. The fine salt should be disolved in a bucket, a bit at a time, allowed to settle, then the brine poured into the pond. That's a lot of fussing around. Dumping the salt straight in could result in a fresh water layer on the surface and a potentually lethal concentration of brine near the bottem. Even broadcasting fine salt over the surface seems a bit risky, especially in cold water. Coarse salt would be worse. |
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Hi bk, I'm a certified KHA (Koi Health Advisor) thru the AKCA www.akca.org
just to give you some back ground on where my advice is coming from. Sorry about your "slap in the face" submersion to koi keeping. This is the article you should read regarding the why's and how's to quarantining: http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/...t%20 Articles That said, what to do now? The koi that died may have died from shock. Since you didn't know to quarantine, you probably didn't know that sudden changes in pH & temperature could kill a fish. Or that taking a bagged fish, and letting the bag sit in the pond, to adjust to the temp, isn't good enough, perhaps you added pond water to the bag? This can be deadly if the fish was bagged for longer than 30-60 minutes. So if the fish was weak to begin with..... As far as the flashing fish, it could be flashing due to the different water, though I bet it does have something on it. Regarding salt, Morton's 99.9% water softener salt is fine. This is to be added slowly, and not to your filter, or skimmer where it feeds direct into the filter. The killing ratio with salt is measured in % not pounds, usually, but not always, 0.3% will kill most things, but 0.1% will sometimes help the fish fight off the problem on it's own. The measurement is 13oz salt to every 100 gallons of water. Do you know exactly how many gallons you have? This is important when dealing with medications. Most people, me included, have over estimated their gallons using the DXWXLX7.48 = gallons method. Click2Roark.com has a calculator to help one figure out gallons by using salt. So this might be a good time to check for sure. If you decide to use salt divide the maximum amount up by 3 to 5 and add over that many days. Otherwise you'll affect your filter and have water quality problems besides fish health problems, and water quality is far more important than a few parasites on a fish. That's not to say what you did was okay, as there are worst things out there than parasites. ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:09:34 GMT, "bk" wrote: How large of a quarentine setup is required? I've gone a limited yard. I couldn't do more thatn say a 20 gallon platic tub or tank. I assume water for quarantine should be from the pond? |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:05:38 -0900, Offbreed
wrote: Try the hardware stores, maybe the bulk foods outlets, places that sell to commercial fishermen. 50# bags of salt should run less than $10/bag. Try the water softener section of Lowe's for about $4 a 40lb bag. Regards, Hal |
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Thanks,
From these posts I may have taken some poor advise and steps. In an effort to save the remaining fish I ran out last night to a local fish retailer. He sold me $50 worth of stuff. Two containers of Aquarium salt each about the size of a half gallon. Also a water conditioner powder that was to help the ph. 5 containers of that, each was good for 250 gallons. I did as they told me and poured it all in at one time. Some salt was on the pond bottom last night, but I didn't notice this morning. I'm hoping that I didn't worsen a bad situation. I'll return home in a couple hours to see how things are. The store found my ph a little high, but he said not too high.. They thought our coral rock waterfall and back wall of the pond could cause that. He said plenty of Koi live like that here (Miami). All that said. I have had my share of salt water tanks over the years. When ever I bought or caught fish, I would give them freshwater dips and quarantine for a few days. My Koi and Goldfish are tough as nails. This is the first time we've had any problem. "BenignVanilla" wrote in message ... "DesertPond" wrote in message ... Yep, the ponds been nailed :-( snip My 2 cents...You added three fish. One died, the others are fine, and your pond is fine, or appears to be. Something in my guy says treating the whole pond for one dead fish is too preemtive. BV. www.iheartmypond.com |
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"bk" wrote in message ink.net... Thanks, From these posts I may have taken some poor advise and steps. In an effort to save the remaining fish I ran out last night to a local fish retailer. He sold me $50 worth of stuff. Two containers of Aquarium salt each about the size of a half gallon. Also a water conditioner powder that was to help the ph. 5 containers of that, each was good for 250 gallons. I did as they told me and poured it all in at one time. Some salt was on the pond bottom last night, but I didn't notice this morning. I'm hoping that I didn't worsen a bad situation. I'll return home in a couple hours to see how things are. The store found my ph a little high, but he said not too high.. They thought our coral rock waterfall and back wall of the pond could cause that. He said plenty of Koi live like that here (Miami). All that said. I have had my share of salt water tanks over the years. When ever I bought or caught fish, I would give them freshwater dips and quarantine for a few days. My Koi and Goldfish are tough as nails. This is the first time we've had any problem. snip If your pH was high but not too high, why did they sell you "a powder" for your pH? I admit I am a pond newbie, but it worries me that you are dumping all this stuff into your pond, and you don't even know what the problem is, or if there even is one? Last year we had the "To Salt or Not to Salt" battle, and IMHO this case is exactly why the "To Salt" school is a bit dangerous. Here we have a ponder that added a few fish. One died, and he is adding salt, and other powders in an attempt to solve what? This is akin to sneezing and then getting your arm amputated to solve the problem, IMHO. Oh and BTW bk, this is not a bash on you. Not in anyway. I am just fearing that you are being steered in the wrong direction. I hope your pond fairs well. BV. www.iheartmypond.com |
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