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rigz 13-03-2004 10:08 PM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 
Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
need. remember I want one that is already molded.

Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
great.

Thanks,

Rigz

RichToyBox 14-03-2004 12:42 AM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 
Most of the preform ponds are smaller than 220 gallons. Generally speaking
they are too small for koi. A general rule of thumb used on rec.ponds is to
have 1000 gallons for the first koi, and 100 for each additional koi. Koi
grow large. My average size right now is probably close to 2 feet long.
The preformed ponds will definitely grow into larger liner ponds, or drive
you out of ponding if you have koi. I started with two preform ponds, some
goldfish, koi, and catfish. The catfish went to a farm pond at the end of
the first season. The preformed ponds got a liner pond added to the system.
The preformed ponds sprung leaks and got replaced with another liner pond.

If you want koi, start with a liner pond. Large ponds are more stable than
smaller ponds. If you want only a small liner pond, consider one of the
types of goldfish.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"rigz" wrote in message
...
Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
need. remember I want one that is already molded.

Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
great.

Thanks,

Rigz




[email protected] 15-03-2004 11:45 PM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 
I have a 25' x 25' back yard and built a 4' deep pond, 2.5 below grade, 1.5 above.
it is 1600 gallons and I have 22 koi in there. the top dimensions are 6' across x
14' long or so. http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/2000/p2000.htm
Ingrid

(rigz) wrote:

Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
need. remember I want one that is already molded.

Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
great.

Thanks,

Rigz




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[email protected] 15-03-2004 11:45 PM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 
I have a 25' x 25' back yard and built a 4' deep pond, 2.5 below grade, 1.5 above.
it is 1600 gallons and I have 22 koi in there. the top dimensions are 6' across x
14' long or so. http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/2000/p2000.htm
Ingrid

(rigz) wrote:

Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
need. remember I want one that is already molded.

Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
great.

Thanks,

Rigz




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[email protected] 15-03-2004 11:45 PM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 
I have a 25' x 25' back yard and built a 4' deep pond, 2.5 below grade, 1.5 above.
it is 1600 gallons and I have 22 koi in there. the top dimensions are 6' across x
14' long or so. http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/2000/p2000.htm
Ingrid

(rigz) wrote:

Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
need. remember I want one that is already molded.

Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
great.

Thanks,

Rigz




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[email protected] 15-03-2004 11:45 PM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 
I have a 25' x 25' back yard and built a 4' deep pond, 2.5 below grade, 1.5 above.
it is 1600 gallons and I have 22 koi in there. the top dimensions are 6' across x
14' long or so. http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/2000/p2000.htm
Ingrid

(rigz) wrote:

Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
need. remember I want one that is already molded.

Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
great.

Thanks,

Rigz




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

rigz 27-03-2004 08:03 PM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 
Well my back yard is 18 x 22 and my wife doesnt want the pond taking
up the whole yard. I was going to get a 125gal pond I saw at
homedepot and start with that. I live in a town home and really cant
be digging up holes in the yard. I dont think the association would
aprove.

So I saw the 125 gal pond. How many small koi can I start with in
there?
What type of pump would I need?



wrote in message ...
I have a 25' x 25' back yard and built a 4' deep pond, 2.5 below grade, 1.5 above.
it is 1600 gallons and I have 22 koi in there. the top dimensions are 6' across x
14' long or so.
http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/2000/p2000.htm
Ingrid

(rigz) wrote:

Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
need. remember I want one that is already molded.

Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
great.

Thanks,

Rigz




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.


rigz 27-03-2004 08:03 PM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 
Well my back yard is 18 x 22 and my wife doesnt want the pond taking
up the whole yard. I was going to get a 125gal pond I saw at
homedepot and start with that. I live in a town home and really cant
be digging up holes in the yard. I dont think the association would
aprove.

So I saw the 125 gal pond. How many small koi can I start with in
there?
What type of pump would I need?



wrote in message ...
I have a 25' x 25' back yard and built a 4' deep pond, 2.5 below grade, 1.5 above.
it is 1600 gallons and I have 22 koi in there. the top dimensions are 6' across x
14' long or so.
http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/2000/p2000.htm
Ingrid

(rigz) wrote:

Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
need. remember I want one that is already molded.

Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
great.

Thanks,

Rigz




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.


rigz 27-03-2004 08:03 PM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 
Well my back yard is 18 x 22 and my wife doesnt want the pond taking
up the whole yard. I was going to get a 125gal pond I saw at
homedepot and start with that. I live in a town home and really cant
be digging up holes in the yard. I dont think the association would
aprove.

So I saw the 125 gal pond. How many small koi can I start with in
there?
What type of pump would I need?



wrote in message ...
I have a 25' x 25' back yard and built a 4' deep pond, 2.5 below grade, 1.5 above.
it is 1600 gallons and I have 22 koi in there. the top dimensions are 6' across x
14' long or so.
http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/2000/p2000.htm
Ingrid

(rigz) wrote:

Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
need. remember I want one that is already molded.

Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
great.

Thanks,

Rigz




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.


[email protected] 27-03-2004 08:04 PM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 
none.

So I saw the 125 gal pond. How many small koi can I start with in
there?



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[email protected] 27-03-2004 08:04 PM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 
none.

So I saw the 125 gal pond. How many small koi can I start with in
there?



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[email protected] 27-03-2004 08:04 PM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 
none.

So I saw the 125 gal pond. How many small koi can I start with in
there?



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

Ka30P 27-03-2004 08:04 PM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 

What Rich said... ;-)

There are some really beautiful goldfish out
there, with flowing tails and different markings and colors. Just as pretty as
koi but not nearly the work and room that koi need.

Watch for BV's postings, he has a good page set up with info.


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

Ka30P 27-03-2004 08:04 PM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 

What Rich said... ;-)

There are some really beautiful goldfish out
there, with flowing tails and different markings and colors. Just as pretty as
koi but not nearly the work and room that koi need.

Watch for BV's postings, he has a good page set up with info.


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

Ka30P 27-03-2004 08:04 PM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 

What Rich said... ;-)

There are some really beautiful goldfish out
there, with flowing tails and different markings and colors. Just as pretty as
koi but not nearly the work and room that koi need.

Watch for BV's postings, he has a good page set up with info.


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

Nedra 28-03-2004 03:39 AM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 
Koi need LOTS of water! 1,000 gallons to start off... then
100 gallons per koi at a minimum.

Your pond is a goldfish pond.
You'll be able to find very
pretty goldfish that will go nicely in your pond... don't overcrowd
the fish, though. They do breed - you'll be giving away fish
before the summer is out.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"rigz" wrote in message
m...
Well my back yard is 18 x 22 and my wife doesnt want the pond taking
up the whole yard. I was going to get a 125gal pond I saw at
homedepot and start with that. I live in a town home and really cant
be digging up holes in the yard. I dont think the association would
aprove.

So I saw the 125 gal pond. How many small koi can I start with in
there?
What type of pump would I need?



wrote in message

...
I have a 25' x 25' back yard and built a 4' deep pond, 2.5 below grade,

1.5 above.
it is 1600 gallons and I have 22 koi in there. the top dimensions are

6' across x
14' long or so.
http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/2000/p2000.htm
Ingrid

(rigz) wrote:

Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
need. remember I want one that is already molded.

Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
great.

Thanks,

Rigz




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.




Nedra 28-03-2004 03:45 AM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 
Koi need LOTS of water! 1,000 gallons to start off... then
100 gallons per koi at a minimum.

Your pond is a goldfish pond.
You'll be able to find very
pretty goldfish that will go nicely in your pond... don't overcrowd
the fish, though. They do breed - you'll be giving away fish
before the summer is out.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"rigz" wrote in message
m...
Well my back yard is 18 x 22 and my wife doesnt want the pond taking
up the whole yard. I was going to get a 125gal pond I saw at
homedepot and start with that. I live in a town home and really cant
be digging up holes in the yard. I dont think the association would
aprove.

So I saw the 125 gal pond. How many small koi can I start with in
there?
What type of pump would I need?



wrote in message

...
I have a 25' x 25' back yard and built a 4' deep pond, 2.5 below grade,

1.5 above.
it is 1600 gallons and I have 22 koi in there. the top dimensions are

6' across x
14' long or so.
http://puregold.aquaria.net/mypond/2000/p2000.htm
Ingrid

(rigz) wrote:

Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
need. remember I want one that is already molded.

Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
great.

Thanks,

Rigz




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.




Shay Devening 28-03-2004 04:44 AM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 
Most are under 200 but the biggest I have personally seen is still only 275
gallons. But there is a lady near here that has one and did put koi in it!
She has been lucky and they are still alive. But it has to be luck.

"RichToyBox" wrote in message
news:IMN4c.2459$SR1.7677@attbi_s04...
Most of the preform ponds are smaller than 220 gallons. Generally

speaking
they are too small for koi. A general rule of thumb used on rec.ponds is

to
have 1000 gallons for the first koi, and 100 for each additional koi. Koi
grow large. My average size right now is probably close to 2 feet long.
The preformed ponds will definitely grow into larger liner ponds, or drive
you out of ponding if you have koi. I started with two preform ponds,

some
goldfish, koi, and catfish. The catfish went to a farm pond at the end of
the first season. The preformed ponds got a liner pond added to the

system.
The preformed ponds sprung leaks and got replaced with another liner pond.

If you want koi, start with a liner pond. Large ponds are more stable

than
smaller ponds. If you want only a small liner pond, consider one of the
types of goldfish.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"rigz" wrote in message
...
Im moving to a townhome that only has a 18' x 22' yard. I was
thinking of getting one of those hard liners and building a raised koi
poind. I want to get at least 3 - 5 koi what size of a liner do i
need. remember I want one that is already molded.

Also if some one can point me to a site that might have a setup like
the one i want with the FAQs and howto set it all up that would be
great.

Thanks,

Rigz






Hal 28-03-2004 09:32 PM

new to koi need help in choosing a pond liner
 
On 27 Mar 2004 08:43:02 -0800, (rigz) wrote:

So I saw the 125 gal pond. How many small koi can I start with in
there?
What type of pump would I need?


Koi need more room, but 4 or 5 goldfish would make nice pets. Common
goldfish/commets grow into nice looking fish, but they are just
goldfish, I like shubunkin. There are also lots of fancy goldfish
with flowing fins and ugly heads, but some people like them.

A small pump that pumps from 100 to 200 gallons per hour will do
nicely and you might want to add a filter hidden in a container, like
a one gallon ice cream container. Don't forget to add some plants
too.

Problem with the in pond filter around the pump is that it has to be
cleaned periodically. Another solution is to add a barrel above the
pond and run the water up to the barrel, filter it there and allow it
spill out a pipe/spillway back down into the pond.

Regards,

Hal


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