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Can someone go over the basics on spawning please? I always understood it
that the lady lays the eggs, and the man fertilizes the eggs externally. If
so, then why do the males beat the females up? What am I missing?

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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...
Can someone go over the basics on spawning please? I always understood it
that the lady lays the eggs, and the man fertilizes the eggs externally.
If
so, then why do the males beat the females up? What am I missing?

We've told you a million times BV, it's your mind thats missing ;)
Like all male species, your male Koi is horny baby, as far as the male is
concerned he's just trying to get the female Koi 'in the mood', but either
she's not ready or perhaps has recently spawned already. The males usually
bump and knock up against the females until they respond. But unless she can
get away from him he will eventually exhaust her and she will die!!!!

You have to provide hiding spaces in which only the female can get into,
otherwise she's a gonner. In nature she would just simply swim away, but
because she's still there (in your pond) the male thinks she's still
interested and will carry on harassing her until the inevitable happens.
Bloody males, sex on the brain if you ask me ;)
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Wasn't Gale Gordon the fellow who played Lucy's boss, Mr. Mooney, in her solo series?

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"KenCo" wrote in message ...
Gale Pearce wrote:
Well, second off, are you familiar with the names Gale Sayer,

football player c.f. the movie Brians Song? :)


or Gale Gordon?

hmm, roundy round driver? vrooommm

did I pass??? lol

, but don't take this wrong it's not a problem assuming I'm a woman,
my mother apologizes non stop for naming me Gale - I got past that years
ago - was a bit rough in the younger years, though ( oh yeah - memories of
8 - 12 yrs old!!) - so how's that 12 inch carp :~)))))))))
Gale :~)


LOL.

Well first off, I am happy a woman made that joke and not a guy. And
secondly, I won't touch that one with a 12 inch Carp for fear of not being
able to stop.

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I was under the impression that the males literally knock the eggs out of
her. I don't think she can lay the eggs by herself, otherwise you wouldn't
hear of egg-bound females: they'd dump them if they could. The times that
mine have spawned, they were at it before I got up and/or noticed it. The
deed was done.

Lee

"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...
Can someone go over the basics on spawning please? I always understood it
that the lady lays the eggs, and the man fertilizes the eggs externally.
If
so, then why do the males beat the females up? What am I missing?

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BV, If you are taking lessons from your koi, I know what you are
missing ..... try flowers. ;-}

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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...
Can someone go over the basics on spawning please? I always
understood it
that the lady lays the eggs, and the man fertilizes the eggs
externally. If
so, then why do the males beat the females up? What am I missing?

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"Happy'Cam'per" wrote in message
...
"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...
Can someone go over the basics on spawning please? I always understood
it
that the lady lays the eggs, and the man fertilizes the eggs externally.
If
so, then why do the males beat the females up? What am I missing?

We've told you a million times BV, it's your mind thats missing ;)

Yeah, yeah...besides that...

Like all male species, your male Koi is horny baby, as far as the male is
concerned he's just trying to get the female Koi 'in the mood', but either
she's not ready or perhaps has recently spawned already. The males usually
bump and knock up against the females until they respond. But unless she
can
get away from him he will eventually exhaust her and she will die!!!!

You have to provide hiding spaces in which only the female can get into,
otherwise she's a gonner. In nature she would just simply swim away, but
because she's still there (in your pond) the male thinks she's still
interested and will carry on harassing her until the inevitable happens.
Bloody males, sex on the brain if you ask me ;)

But are the eggs fertilized by the "old in and out" as Kubrick would say, or
are they fertilized in the water?


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But are the eggs fertilized by the "old in and out" as Kubrick would say, or
are they fertilized in the water? BV

I can sure tell you weren't raised in or near salmon country, and/or any
places that has fish farms where they fertilize the eggs by hand at
hatcheries, showing it on the news. In fact, I think some koi breeders also
do it by hand. BV, you need to start watching more Discovery or Nature TV.

Now last year I did have a female oranda lose her eggs on her own. I put
her out in the lily pond and several days later there were unfertilized
eggs (milky white) in the pond, so some can manage on their own....
;o) ;o) ~ jan


~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

Birds and the Bees and Koi and the...
 

Hey Gale, I always knew you were a guy. ;o) Gal Gail spell it differently
usually. ~ jan/WA
Zone 7a

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:21:32 -0400, "Gale Pearce"
wrote:

Well, second off, are you familiar with the names Gale Sayer, or Gale
Gordon? , but don't take this wrong it's not a problem assuming I'm a woman,
my mother apologizes non stop for naming me Gale - I got past that years
ago - was a bit rough in the younger years, though ( oh yeah - memories of
8 - 12 yrs old!!) - so how's that 12 inch carp :~)))))))))
Gale :~)

LOL.

Well first off, I am happy a woman made that joke and not a guy. And
secondly, I won't touch that one with a 12 inch Carp for fear of not being
able to stop.

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After the females lay the eggs, usually on a plant or roots, the male
fertilizes them with his sperm (for lack of a better term, 'sprays' them) -
no old "in and out" for these guys :~
Gale :~)

But are the eggs fertilized by the "old in and out" as Kubrick would say,
or
are they fertilized in the water?


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"Hank" wrote in message
.. .
BV, If you are taking lessons from your koi, I know what you are
missing ..... try flowers. ;-}
snip

I assure you...I have 2.3 children right now, and I didn't get any of them
by 'spraying' my pond plands, so I think I am doing something right. LOL.

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Hahahaha yawl are killing me. hahahaha
I just lost one of my female Sarasa's from spawning.
I keep a laundry basket outside now if one of my other females looks worn
for the wear I put her in the laundry basket in the pond for a couple days
rest.
Priss


"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...

"Hank" wrote in message
.. .
BV, If you are taking lessons from your koi, I know what you are
missing ..... try flowers. ;-}
snip

I assure you...I have 2.3 children right now, and I didn't get any of them
by 'spraying' my pond plands, so I think I am doing something right. LOL.

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Hmmm.... - You have 2.3 and I only have 2 - our pond fish have literally
hundreds every year as long as they are protected from canabalism (sp?) and
other predators - maybe their 'technique' is superior?
Gale :~)
I assure you...I have 2.3 children right now, and I didn't get any of them
by 'spraying' my pond plands, so I think I am doing something right. LOL.

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"Gale Pearce" wrote in message
...
Hmmm.... - You have 2.3 and I only have 2 - our pond fish have literally
hundreds every year as long as they are protected from canabalism (sp?)
and
other predators - maybe their 'technique' is superior?
Gale :~)
I assure you...I have 2.3 children right now, and I didn't get any of
them
by 'spraying' my pond plands, so I think I am doing something right.
LOL.

Well first off, I am happy a woman made that joke and not a guy. And
secondly, I won't touch that one with a 12 inch Carp for fear of not being
able to stop.

--
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www.iheartmypond.com

Birds and the Bees and Koi and the...
 

Well, second off, are you familiar with the names Gale Sayer, or Gale
Gordon? , but don't take this wrong it's not a problem assuming I'm a woman,
my mother apologizes non stop for naming me Gale - I got past that years
ago - was a bit rough in the younger years, though ( oh yeah - memories of
8 - 12 yrs old!!) - so how's that 12 inch carp :~)))))))))
Gale :~)

LOL.

Well first off, I am happy a woman made that joke and not a guy. And
secondly, I won't touch that one with a 12 inch Carp for fear of not being
able to stop.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

Birds and the Bees and Koi and the...
 

Gale Pearce wrote:
Well, second off, are you familiar with the names Gale Sayer,

football player c.f. the movie Brians Song? :)


or Gale Gordon?

hmm, roundy round driver? vrooommm

did I pass??? lol

, but don't take this wrong it's not a problem assuming I'm a woman,
my mother apologizes non stop for naming me Gale - I got past that years
ago - was a bit rough in the younger years, though ( oh yeah - memories of
8 - 12 yrs old!!) - so how's that 12 inch carp :~)))))))))
Gale :~)


LOL.

Well first off, I am happy a woman made that joke and not a guy. And
secondly, I won't touch that one with a 12 inch Carp for fear of not being
able to stop.

--
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www.iheartmypond.com








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no, it is his bumping that stimulates her muscles to contract and push the eggs out.
those eggs gotta be fertilized immediately or they die. sometimes a female GF is
picked up and the eggs will just pour out of her. so a male isnt always necessary.
Ingrid

"Lee B." wrote:

I was under the impression that the males literally knock the eggs out of
her. I don't think she can lay the eggs by herself, otherwise you wouldn't
hear of egg-bound females: they'd dump them if they could. The times that
mine have spawned, they were at it before I got up and/or noticed it. The
deed was done.


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Wasn't Gale Gordon the fellow who played Lucy's boss, Mr. Mooney, in her solo series?

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"KenCo" wrote in message ...
Gale Pearce wrote:
Well, second off, are you familiar with the names Gale Sayer,

football player c.f. the movie Brians Song? :)


or Gale Gordon?

hmm, roundy round driver? vrooommm

did I pass??? lol

, but don't take this wrong it's not a problem assuming I'm a woman,
my mother apologizes non stop for naming me Gale - I got past that years
ago - was a bit rough in the younger years, though ( oh yeah - memories of
8 - 12 yrs old!!) - so how's that 12 inch carp :~)))))))))
Gale :~)


LOL.

Well first off, I am happy a woman made that joke and not a guy. And
secondly, I won't touch that one with a 12 inch Carp for fear of not being
able to stop.

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But are the eggs fertilized by the "old in and out" as Kubrick would say, or
are they fertilized in the water? BV

I can sure tell you weren't raised in or near salmon country, and/or any
places that has fish farms where they fertilize the eggs by hand at
hatcheries, showing it on the news. In fact, I think some koi breeders also
do it by hand. BV, you need to start watching more Discovery or Nature TV.

Now last year I did have a female oranda lose her eggs on her own. I put
her out in the lily pond and several days later there were unfertilized
eggs (milky white) in the pond, so some can manage on their own....
;o) ;o) ~ jan


~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

Birds and the Bees and Koi and the...
 

Hey Gale, I always knew you were a guy. ;o) Gal Gail spell it differently
usually. ~ jan/WA
Zone 7a

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:21:32 -0400, "Gale Pearce"
wrote:

Well, second off, are you familiar with the names Gale Sayer, or Gale
Gordon? , but don't take this wrong it's not a problem assuming I'm a woman,
my mother apologizes non stop for naming me Gale - I got past that years
ago - was a bit rough in the younger years, though ( oh yeah - memories of
8 - 12 yrs old!!) - so how's that 12 inch carp :~)))))))))
Gale :~)

LOL.

Well first off, I am happy a woman made that joke and not a guy. And
secondly, I won't touch that one with a 12 inch Carp for fear of not being
able to stop.

--
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Ahhh - DeAnna wins the gold, but to be fair, I am sure I wouldn't have
remembered that, if it wasn't for the name connection
Gale :~)
"Pond Newbie" wrote in message
...
Wasn't Gale Gordon the fellow who played Lucy's boss, Mr. Mooney, in her
solo series?

DeAnna
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"KenCo" wrote in message
...
Gale Pearce wrote:
Well, second off, are you familiar with the names Gale Sayer,

football player c.f. the movie Brians Song? :)


or Gale Gordon?

hmm, roundy round driver? vrooommm

did I pass??? lol

, but don't take this wrong it's not a problem assuming I'm a woman,
my mother apologizes non stop for naming me Gale - I got past that
years
ago - was a bit rough in the younger years, though ( oh yeah -
memories of
8 - 12 yrs old!!) - so how's that 12 inch carp :~)))))))))
Gale :~)


LOL.

Well first off, I am happy a woman made that joke and not a guy. And
secondly, I won't touch that one with a 12 inch Carp for fear of not
being
able to stop.

--
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Yeah, I knew you and Nedra did and probably a few others - and yes, most
but not all spell it that way or add a Y after the A - but I have run across
a few who spell it the same as I do
Gale :~)
"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
s.com...
Hey Gale, I always knew you were a guy. ;o) Gal Gail spell it differently
usually. ~ jan/WA
Zone 7a

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:21:32 -0400, "Gale Pearce"
wrote:

Well, second off, are you familiar with the names Gale Sayer, or Gale
Gordon? , but don't take this wrong it's not a problem assuming I'm a
woman,
my mother apologizes non stop for naming me Gale - I got past that years
ago - was a bit rough in the younger years, though ( oh yeah - memories
of
8 - 12 yrs old!!) - so how's that 12 inch carp :~)))))))))
Gale :~)

LOL.

Well first off, I am happy a woman made that joke and not a guy. And
secondly, I won't touch that one with a 12 inch Carp for fear of not
being
able to stop.

--
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www.iheartmypond.com

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Wellll.. Gale, now that you mention it - I don't know how I
knew ... You just sound like a guy to me! even through the
typed words.

Nedra
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"Gale Pearce" wrote in message
...
Yeah, I knew you and Nedra did and probably a few others - and yes, most
but not all spell it that way or add a Y after the A - but I have run
across
a few who spell it the same as I do
Gale :~)
"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
s.com...
Hey Gale, I always knew you were a guy. ;o) Gal Gail spell it
differently
usually. ~ jan/WA
Zone 7a

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:21:32 -0400, "Gale Pearce"
wrote:

Well, second off, are you familiar with the names Gale Sayer, or Gale
Gordon? , but don't take this wrong it's not a problem assuming I'm a
woman,
my mother apologizes non stop for naming me Gale - I got past that
years
ago - was a bit rough in the younger years, though ( oh yeah -
memories
of
8 - 12 yrs old!!) - so how's that 12 inch carp :~)))))))))
Gale :~)

LOL.

Well first off, I am happy a woman made that joke and not a guy. And
secondly, I won't touch that one with a 12 inch Carp for fear of not
being
able to stop.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

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"Gale Pearce" wrote in message
...
Well, second off, are you familiar with the names Gale Sayer, or Gale
Gordon? , but don't take this wrong it's not a problem assuming I'm a
woman,
my mother apologizes non stop for naming me Gale - I got past that years
ago - was a bit rough in the younger years, though ( oh yeah - memories
of
8 - 12 yrs old!!) - so how's that 12 inch carp :~)))))))))
snip

Mouth open. Foot inserted. My apologies.

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Want some ketchup with that foot BV? :-)

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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...

"Gale Pearce" wrote in message
...
Well, second off, are you familiar with the names Gale Sayer, or Gale
Gordon? , but don't take this wrong it's not a problem assuming I'm a
woman,
my mother apologizes non stop for naming me Gale - I got past that years
ago - was a bit rough in the younger years, though ( oh yeah - memories
of
8 - 12 yrs old!!) - so how's that 12 inch carp :~)))))))))
snip

Mouth open. Foot inserted. My apologies.

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