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? about water line freezing
I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made. My
mistake was that the in-pond pump and waterfall were both at the same end of the pond. The other end was a thin, narrow pebble beach. Because of its thinness, and because the water was only circulating at one end, nutrients never circulated either, and much organic matter seeped in through the beach area. Actually, this was interesting, because the WH at the end w/the waterfall were always lush and green, whereas the WH near the non-circulating area were puny and yellow (even w/weekly or so potash additions). Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have a 1/2" i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of the pond (hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end. My question is, will this freeze during the winter? In the past, the hose intersected the frozen surface of the water, then came up through it vertically to get to the waterfall. Now it's going to be immersed laterally in the frozen surface for 12', although still on. Or maybe it should just go off during the winter, though I love it when it runs. Opinions? |
What Zone are you in? ~ jan
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:14:49 GMT, "Mike Miller" wrote: I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made. My mistake was that the in-pond pump and waterfall were both at the same end of the pond. The other end was a thin, narrow pebble beach. Because of its thinness, and because the water was only circulating at one end, nutrients never circulated either, and much organic matter seeped in through the beach area. Actually, this was interesting, because the WH at the end w/the waterfall were always lush and green, whereas the WH near the non-circulating area were puny and yellow (even w/weekly or so potash additions). Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have a 1/2" i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of the pond (hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end. My question is, will this freeze during the winter? In the past, the hose intersected the frozen surface of the water, then came up through it vertically to get to the waterfall. Now it's going to be immersed laterally in the frozen surface for 12', although still on. Or maybe it should just go off during the winter, though I love it when it runs. Opinions? ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
What Zone are you in? ~ jan
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:14:49 GMT, "Mike Miller" wrote: I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made. My mistake was that the in-pond pump and waterfall were both at the same end of the pond. The other end was a thin, narrow pebble beach. Because of its thinness, and because the water was only circulating at one end, nutrients never circulated either, and much organic matter seeped in through the beach area. Actually, this was interesting, because the WH at the end w/the waterfall were always lush and green, whereas the WH near the non-circulating area were puny and yellow (even w/weekly or so potash additions). Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have a 1/2" i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of the pond (hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end. My question is, will this freeze during the winter? In the past, the hose intersected the frozen surface of the water, then came up through it vertically to get to the waterfall. Now it's going to be immersed laterally in the frozen surface for 12', although still on. Or maybe it should just go off during the winter, though I love it when it runs. Opinions? ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
Oh, right, Jan, sorry - z5, Chicago.
What Zone are you in? ~ jan On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:14:49 GMT, "Mike Miller" wrote: I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made. My mistake was that the in-pond pump and waterfall were both at the same end of the pond. The other end was a thin, narrow pebble beach. Because of its thinness, and because the water was only circulating at one end, nutrients never circulated either, and much organic matter seeped in through the beach area. Actually, this was interesting, because the WH at the end w/the waterfall were always lush and green, whereas the WH near the non-circulating area were puny and yellow (even w/weekly or so potash additions). Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have a 1/2" i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of the pond (hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end. My question is, will this freeze during the winter? In the past, the hose intersected the frozen surface of the water, then came up through it vertically to get to the waterfall. Now it's going to be immersed laterally in the frozen surface for 12', although still on. Or maybe it should just go off during the winter, though I love it when it runs. Opinions? ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
Oh, right, Jan, sorry - z5, Chicago.
What Zone are you in? ~ jan On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:14:49 GMT, "Mike Miller" wrote: I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made. My mistake was that the in-pond pump and waterfall were both at the same end of the pond. The other end was a thin, narrow pebble beach. Because of its thinness, and because the water was only circulating at one end, nutrients never circulated either, and much organic matter seeped in through the beach area. Actually, this was interesting, because the WH at the end w/the waterfall were always lush and green, whereas the WH near the non-circulating area were puny and yellow (even w/weekly or so potash additions). Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have a 1/2" i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of the pond (hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end. My question is, will this freeze during the winter? In the past, the hose intersected the frozen surface of the water, then came up through it vertically to get to the waterfall. Now it's going to be immersed laterally in the frozen surface for 12', although still on. Or maybe it should just go off during the winter, though I love it when it runs. Opinions? ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
"Mike Miller" wrote in message news:EQ8Vc.1554$9d6.317@attbi_s54... Oh, right, Jan, sorry - z5, Chicago. What Zone are you in? ~ jan On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:14:49 GMT, "Mike Miller" wrote: I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made. Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have a 1/2" i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of the pond (hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end. My question is, will this freeze during the winter? The waterfall? You betcha. -- Crashj |
"Mike Miller" wrote in message news:EQ8Vc.1554$9d6.317@attbi_s54... Oh, right, Jan, sorry - z5, Chicago. What Zone are you in? ~ jan On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:14:49 GMT, "Mike Miller" wrote: I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made. Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have a 1/2" i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of the pond (hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end. My question is, will this freeze during the winter? The waterfall? You betcha. -- Crashj |
I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made.
Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have a 1/2" i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of the pond (hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end. My question is, will this freeze during the winter? The waterfall? You betcha. -- Crashj No, not the waterfall. It's never frozen enough to clog itself up the past 4 winters. But I'm thinking of moving water in a 1/2" tube, now instead of intersecting with the "frost line" in the water as it has in the past, will be running along the "frost line" for 12' before raising up to the waterfall. The waterfall moves enough to keep itself unfrozen, but will this much hose stay unfrozen when laid flat along the frozen ice? |
I have just finished expanding my pond, correcting a mistake I made.
Anyway, now the in-pond pump is at the newly deepened end, and I have a 1/2" i.d. non-kinking hose coming up from the pump, skirting the edge of the pond (hidden under rocks), and leading to the waterfall at the other end. My question is, will this freeze during the winter? The waterfall? You betcha. -- Crashj No, not the waterfall. It's never frozen enough to clog itself up the past 4 winters. But I'm thinking of moving water in a 1/2" tube, now instead of intersecting with the "frost line" in the water as it has in the past, will be running along the "frost line" for 12' before raising up to the waterfall. The waterfall moves enough to keep itself unfrozen, but will this much hose stay unfrozen when laid flat along the frozen ice? |
"Mike Miller" wrote in message
news:6rmVc.6853$9d6.558@attbi_s54... snip The waterfall moves enough to keep itself unfrozen, but will this much hose stay unfrozen when laid flat along the frozen ice? Hi, If you promise not to post binaries again (news:cmyUc.34460$TI1.18273@attbi_s52...) I'll leave winter questions alone as I don't believe in it. In this case, you've answered your own question, if it keeps moving it won't freeze. More correctly it will have to get much colder than it has been. Others more familiar with ice may change our minds. HTH -_- how no NEWS is good |
"Mike Miller" wrote in message
news:6rmVc.6853$9d6.558@attbi_s54... snip The waterfall moves enough to keep itself unfrozen, but will this much hose stay unfrozen when laid flat along the frozen ice? Hi, If you promise not to post binaries again (news:cmyUc.34460$TI1.18273@attbi_s52...) I'll leave winter questions alone as I don't believe in it. In this case, you've answered your own question, if it keeps moving it won't freeze. More correctly it will have to get much colder than it has been. Others more familiar with ice may change our minds. HTH -_- how no NEWS is good |
"Mike Miller" wrote in message
news:6rmVc.6853$9d6.558@attbi_s54... snip The waterfall moves enough to keep itself unfrozen, but will this much hose stay unfrozen when laid flat along the frozen ice? Hi, If you promise not to post binaries again (news:cmyUc.34460$TI1.18273@attbi_s52...) I'll leave winter questions alone as I don't believe in it. In this case, you've answered your own question, if it keeps moving it won't freeze. More correctly it will have to get much colder than it has been. Others more familiar with ice may change our minds. HTH -_- how no NEWS is good |
Hi, If you promise not to post binaries again (news:cmyUc.34460$TI1.18273@attbi_s52...) I'll leave winter questions alone as I don't believe in it. In this case, you've answered your own question, if it keeps moving it won't freeze. More correctly it will have to get much colder than it has been. Others more familiar with ice may change our minds. HTH -_- how no NEWS is good Hey there. What is a binary that I posted? I'm confused about that. But the water line will freeze eventually, moving or not. I just wanted to know if anyone had experience with a line situated like this. But you could help me with the posting binary part...? |
"Mike Miller" wrote in message
news:llsVc.24218$Fg5.13407@attbi_s53... Hi, If you promise not to post binaries again (news:cmyUc.34460$TI1.18273@attbi_s52...) snip Hey there. What is a binary that I posted? I'm confused about that. But the water line will freeze eventually, moving or not. I just wanted to know if anyone had experience with a line situated like this. But you could help me with the posting binary part...? Hi, Binaries are pictures and rec.ponds is a text only group. The link in my reply post goes to the post (see above) you made about splicing liners and shows a pic of your pond. Nice pic, nice pond, bad post. Post the pic to alt.binaries.pictures.gardens and post here giving the subject line. There are other places where you can post pics for free also, google can help. Here, ice comes from the refrigerator so I'm not really the one to ask. It can get cold enough to freeze moving water but you said the falls did not freeze and in that situation I don't think the tube will with the pump on. Up north I've heard of leaving the water dripping from faucets to keep the pipes from freezing, no personal experience. -getting some ice -_- how no NEWS is good |
"Mike Miller" wrote in message
news:llsVc.24218$Fg5.13407@attbi_s53... Hi, If you promise not to post binaries again (news:cmyUc.34460$TI1.18273@attbi_s52...) snip Hey there. What is a binary that I posted? I'm confused about that. But the water line will freeze eventually, moving or not. I just wanted to know if anyone had experience with a line situated like this. But you could help me with the posting binary part...? Hi, Binaries are pictures and rec.ponds is a text only group. The link in my reply post goes to the post (see above) you made about splicing liners and shows a pic of your pond. Nice pic, nice pond, bad post. Post the pic to alt.binaries.pictures.gardens and post here giving the subject line. There are other places where you can post pics for free also, google can help. Here, ice comes from the refrigerator so I'm not really the one to ask. It can get cold enough to freeze moving water but you said the falls did not freeze and in that situation I don't think the tube will with the pump on. Up north I've heard of leaving the water dripping from faucets to keep the pipes from freezing, no personal experience. -getting some ice -_- how no NEWS is good |
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