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Shutting off pump
I frequently see suggestions that people shut off their pump to confirm
leaks. I never see any mention of damage to the bio filter. Dont the bio bugs begin to die within three to four hours? If so I wonder why it is rarely mentioned, since this could create significant new problems. Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas |
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:37:02 GMT, "Newbie Bill"
wrote: I frequently see suggestions that people shut off their pump to confirm leaks. I never see any mention of damage to the bio filter. Dont the bio bugs begin to die within three to four hours? If so I wonder why it is rarely mentioned, since this could create significant new problems. Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas IMHO, if you are concerned about the filter: 1. if you have a submersible filter and pump, just disconnect the outlet, and let the water go right back into the pond. 2. If you have a barrow/above water filter, fill with pond water and toss in an aeration stone. Make it doesn't dry out. 3. Don't worry, the pond will cycle again later, not at deadly to the fish as the pond going dry due to a leak. hth, tom ************* Got a Site? **************** http://www.LinkSkyRise.com Add your site to our Site for Free |
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:37:02 GMT, "Newbie Bill"
wrote: I frequently see suggestions that people shut off their pump to confirm leaks. I never see any mention of damage to the bio filter. Dont the bio bugs begin to die within three to four hours? If so I wonder why it is rarely mentioned, since this could create significant new problems. Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas IMHO, if you are concerned about the filter: 1. if you have a submersible filter and pump, just disconnect the outlet, and let the water go right back into the pond. 2. If you have a barrow/above water filter, fill with pond water and toss in an aeration stone. Make it doesn't dry out. 3. Don't worry, the pond will cycle again later, not at deadly to the fish as the pond going dry due to a leak. hth, tom ************* Got a Site? **************** http://www.LinkSkyRise.com Add your site to our Site for Free |
Thanxx. That makes good sense. Both of my filter are gravity upflow
filters, so the airstone would not be possible, but I get the idea. Since I dont have one - I thought many waterfall filters (with no skimmer) were above pond level and would drain if the pump was cut off. As much as anything I was just curious about never seeing an admonition about possible biofilter damage and possible suggestions (like your's) to minimize it. It seems if you had a well stocked fish pond killing the filter would be a very bad thing. Thanxx again. Bill Brister wrote in message ... On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:37:02 GMT, "Newbie Bill" wrote: I frequently see suggestions that people shut off their pump to confirm leaks. I never see any mention of damage to the bio filter. Dont the bio bugs begin to die within three to four hours? If so I wonder why it is rarely mentioned, since this could create significant new problems. Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas IMHO, if you are concerned about the filter: 1. if you have a submersible filter and pump, just disconnect the outlet, and let the water go right back into the pond. 2. If you have a barrow/above water filter, fill with pond water and toss in an aeration stone. Make it doesn't dry out. 3. Don't worry, the pond will cycle again later, not at deadly to the fish as the pond going dry due to a leak. hth, tom ************* Got a Site? **************** http://www.LinkSkyRise.com Add your site to our Site for Free |
The caution should be expressed. If the pond has a filter before the
waterfall, then it would be fairly easy to bypass teh waterfall. The biofalls type filters are at the top of the waterfall and therefore difficult to bypass the waterfall and keep them running. For the biofalls type filters it would be a good idea to build them with some form of recirculation or aeration system, but I doubt if many have anything. The filters that cannot have water bypass the waterfall can be kept alive and strong by the addition of a small amount of household ammonia each day to feed the bacteria if there is also oxygen available for the bacteria. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/index.html "Newbie Bill" wrote in message m... Thanxx. That makes good sense. Both of my filter are gravity upflow filters, so the airstone would not be possible, but I get the idea. Since I dont have one - I thought many waterfall filters (with no skimmer) were above pond level and would drain if the pump was cut off. As much as anything I was just curious about never seeing an admonition about possible biofilter damage and possible suggestions (like your's) to minimize it. It seems if you had a well stocked fish pond killing the filter would be a very bad thing. Thanxx again. Bill Brister wrote in message ... On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:37:02 GMT, "Newbie Bill" wrote: I frequently see suggestions that people shut off their pump to confirm leaks. I never see any mention of damage to the bio filter. Dont the bio bugs begin to die within three to four hours? If so I wonder why it is rarely mentioned, since this could create significant new problems. Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas IMHO, if you are concerned about the filter: 1. if you have a submersible filter and pump, just disconnect the outlet, and let the water go right back into the pond. 2. If you have a barrow/above water filter, fill with pond water and toss in an aeration stone. Make it doesn't dry out. 3. Don't worry, the pond will cycle again later, not at deadly to the fish as the pond going dry due to a leak. hth, tom ************* Got a Site? **************** http://www.LinkSkyRise.com Add your site to our Site for Free |
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:24:42 GMT, "RichToyBox"
wrote: The caution should be expressed. The filters that cannot have water bypass the waterfall can be kept alive and strong by the addition of a small amount of household ammonia each day Ugh. Chemicals. Think I'll go get a beer and deal with the pond. -- Crashj |
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:24:42 GMT, "RichToyBox"
wrote: The caution should be expressed. The filters that cannot have water bypass the waterfall can be kept alive and strong by the addition of a small amount of household ammonia each day Ugh. Chemicals. Think I'll go get a beer and deal with the pond. -- Crashj |
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:00:01 GMT, Crashj
wrote: ===On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:24:42 GMT, "RichToyBox" wrote: === ===The caution should be expressed. === === The filters that cannot have water bypass the waterfall can be kept alive and ===strong by the addition of a small amount of household ammonia each day === ===Ugh. Chemicals. Think I'll go get a beer and deal with the pond. Speaking of beer and dealing with a pond........, today I was at Petsmart to get 2 Red and White Comets and a shubunkin for the wifes 1/2 barrel. While there and looking at the Koi they just got in, another customer and I started to talking about ponds etc. Filters and pumps came into the conversation and seeding them with enzyme etc, and he replied he always pours a can or two of beer into his pond as it keeps the bacteria that eats the bad stuff thriving and hungry..........He claims its the yeast and barley in it that makes it work.......and he never gets coudy water, ever! .I could not say one way or the other, but anyone ever hear of this, or is he just an idiot with a hair brained theory, and in all reality is a pretty good ponder on how he manages his pond and the beer actually does nothing.... Inquiring minds want to know if this has any merit to it. Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com Opinions expressed are those of my wife, I had no input whatsoever. Remove "nospam" from email addy. |
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:00:01 GMT, Crashj
wrote: ===On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:24:42 GMT, "RichToyBox" wrote: === ===The caution should be expressed. === === The filters that cannot have water bypass the waterfall can be kept alive and ===strong by the addition of a small amount of household ammonia each day === ===Ugh. Chemicals. Think I'll go get a beer and deal with the pond. Speaking of beer and dealing with a pond........, today I was at Petsmart to get 2 Red and White Comets and a shubunkin for the wifes 1/2 barrel. While there and looking at the Koi they just got in, another customer and I started to talking about ponds etc. Filters and pumps came into the conversation and seeding them with enzyme etc, and he replied he always pours a can or two of beer into his pond as it keeps the bacteria that eats the bad stuff thriving and hungry..........He claims its the yeast and barley in it that makes it work.......and he never gets coudy water, ever! .I could not say one way or the other, but anyone ever hear of this, or is he just an idiot with a hair brained theory, and in all reality is a pretty good ponder on how he manages his pond and the beer actually does nothing.... Inquiring minds want to know if this has any merit to it. Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com Opinions expressed are those of my wife, I had no input whatsoever. Remove "nospam" from email addy. |
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I frequently see suggestions that people shut off their pump to confirm
leaks. I never see any mention of damage to the bio filter. Dont the bio bugs begin to die within three to four hours? If so I wonder why it is rarely mentioned, since this could create significant new problems. Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas Quite often, the pond is new, so the bugs aren't even up and running. ~ jan ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
I frequently see suggestions that people shut off their pump to confirm
leaks. I never see any mention of damage to the bio filter. Dont the bio bugs begin to die within three to four hours? If so I wonder why it is rarely mentioned, since this could create significant new problems. Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas Quite often, the pond is new, so the bugs aren't even up and running. ~ jan ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
"Roy" wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:00:01 GMT, Crashj wrote: ===On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:24:42 GMT, "RichToyBox" wrote: === ===The caution should be expressed. === === The filters that cannot have water bypass the waterfall can be kept alive and ===strong by the addition of a small amount of household ammonia each day === ===Ugh. Chemicals. Think I'll go get a beer and deal with the pond. Speaking of beer and dealing with a pond........, today I was at Petsmart to get 2 Red and White Comets and a shubunkin for the wifes 1/2 barrel. While there and looking at the Koi they just got in, another customer and I started to talking about ponds etc. Filters and pumps came into the conversation and seeding them with enzyme etc, and he replied he always pours a can or two of beer into his pond as it keeps the bacteria that eats the bad stuff thriving and hungry..........He claims its the yeast and barley in it that makes it work.......and he never gets coudy water, ever! .I could not say one way or the other, but anyone ever hear of this, or is he just an idiot with a hair brained theory, and in all reality is a pretty good ponder on how he manages his pond and the beer actually does nothing.... Inquiring minds want to know if this has any merit to it. Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com Opinions expressed are those of my wife, I had no input whatsoever. Remove "nospam" from email addy. I'm not sure I'm willing to share my beer with anyone - particularly fish. Let them drink Coors! San Diego Joe 4,000 - 5,000 Gallons. Goldfish, a RES named Colombo and an Oscar. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
"Roy" wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:00:01 GMT, Crashj wrote: ===On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:24:42 GMT, "RichToyBox" wrote: === ===The caution should be expressed. === === The filters that cannot have water bypass the waterfall can be kept alive and ===strong by the addition of a small amount of household ammonia each day === ===Ugh. Chemicals. Think I'll go get a beer and deal with the pond. Speaking of beer and dealing with a pond........, today I was at Petsmart to get 2 Red and White Comets and a shubunkin for the wifes 1/2 barrel. While there and looking at the Koi they just got in, another customer and I started to talking about ponds etc. Filters and pumps came into the conversation and seeding them with enzyme etc, and he replied he always pours a can or two of beer into his pond as it keeps the bacteria that eats the bad stuff thriving and hungry..........He claims its the yeast and barley in it that makes it work.......and he never gets coudy water, ever! .I could not say one way or the other, but anyone ever hear of this, or is he just an idiot with a hair brained theory, and in all reality is a pretty good ponder on how he manages his pond and the beer actually does nothing.... Inquiring minds want to know if this has any merit to it. Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com Opinions expressed are those of my wife, I had no input whatsoever. Remove "nospam" from email addy. I'm not sure I'm willing to share my beer with anyone - particularly fish. Let them drink Coors! San Diego Joe 4,000 - 5,000 Gallons. Goldfish, a RES named Colombo and an Oscar. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
OK, BV...weigh in
Jim -- ____________________________________________ See our pond at: home.bellsouth.net\p\pwp-jameshurley Ask me about Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $120+ per child) at: jogathon.net "Roy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:00:01 GMT, Crashj wrote: ===On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:24:42 GMT, "RichToyBox" wrote: === ===The caution should be expressed. === === The filters that cannot have water bypass the waterfall can be kept alive and ===strong by the addition of a small amount of household ammonia each day === ===Ugh. Chemicals. Think I'll go get a beer and deal with the pond. Speaking of beer and dealing with a pond........, today I was at Petsmart to get 2 Red and White Comets and a shubunkin for the wifes 1/2 barrel. While there and looking at the Koi they just got in, another customer and I started to talking about ponds etc. Filters and pumps came into the conversation and seeding them with enzyme etc, and he replied he always pours a can or two of beer into his pond as it keeps the bacteria that eats the bad stuff thriving and hungry..........He claims its the yeast and barley in it that makes it work.......and he never gets coudy water, ever! .I could not say one way or the other, but anyone ever hear of this, or is he just an idiot with a hair brained theory, and in all reality is a pretty good ponder on how he manages his pond and the beer actually does nothing.... Inquiring minds want to know if this has any merit to it. Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com Opinions expressed are those of my wife, I had no input whatsoever. Remove "nospam" from email addy. |
OK, BV...weigh in
Jim -- ____________________________________________ See our pond at: home.bellsouth.net\p\pwp-jameshurley Ask me about Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $120+ per child) at: jogathon.net "Roy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:00:01 GMT, Crashj wrote: ===On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:24:42 GMT, "RichToyBox" wrote: === ===The caution should be expressed. === === The filters that cannot have water bypass the waterfall can be kept alive and ===strong by the addition of a small amount of household ammonia each day === ===Ugh. Chemicals. Think I'll go get a beer and deal with the pond. Speaking of beer and dealing with a pond........, today I was at Petsmart to get 2 Red and White Comets and a shubunkin for the wifes 1/2 barrel. While there and looking at the Koi they just got in, another customer and I started to talking about ponds etc. Filters and pumps came into the conversation and seeding them with enzyme etc, and he replied he always pours a can or two of beer into his pond as it keeps the bacteria that eats the bad stuff thriving and hungry..........He claims its the yeast and barley in it that makes it work.......and he never gets coudy water, ever! .I could not say one way or the other, but anyone ever hear of this, or is he just an idiot with a hair brained theory, and in all reality is a pretty good ponder on how he manages his pond and the beer actually does nothing.... Inquiring minds want to know if this has any merit to it. Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com Opinions expressed are those of my wife, I had no input whatsoever. Remove "nospam" from email addy. |
On 28 Aug 2004 09:10:00 GMT, (Karen) wrote:
===In article , (Roy) writes: === ===.He claims its the yeast and barley === ===when I had a septic tank in Houston, I was told to keep it from needing to be ===cleaned, ad yeast down the toilet bowl. 20 years and I never had to have my ===septic tank cleaned out, so there may be something to it. === ===Karen ===Zone 5 ===Ashland, OH ===http://hometown.aol.com/kmam1/MyPond/MyPond.html ===My Art Studio at ===http://members.aol.com/kmmstudios/K....M.Studios.html ===for email remove the extra extention === === === === I can see yeast inducing bacteria into a septic tank and even a pond, but like Cashj ppointed out, the yeast that was in beer, has been cooked and is probably expended and not capable of doing the things yeast normally does.......at least it sounds that way, however a packet or block or yeast should still be 100% viable and alive. I also use yeast in my septic tank, since 1972 when it was installed and have yet to need it pumped...... I think the fellow that told me about pouring beer into the pond has the right concept or a good idea perhaps but wrong substance.......but then again who knows Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com Opinions expressed are those of my wife, I had no input whatsoever. Remove "nospam" from email addy. |
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I hope you will see my post about the need to pump the tank every year
(or so) to keep the overflow from ruining the drain field. I would say inspect regularly, pump when needed. Adjust inspection rate based on how fast the sediment and scum accumulate. I inspected mine about every 5 years and just pumped at 19 years. Pump requirements vary with the load on the system. You can inspect it yourself, get a book. |
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:33:06 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Burgess
wrote: ===I hope you will see my post about the need to pump the tank every year ===(or so) to keep the overflow from ruining the drain field. === ===I would say inspect regularly, pump when needed. Adjust inspection ===rate based on how fast the sediment and scum accumulate. I inspected ===mine about every 5 years and just pumped at 19 years. Pump requirements ===vary with the load on the system. You can inspect it yourself, get a book. Oh, I checked mine and it was nothing to worry about. Hardly any load on it and we are pretty darn concientous on what gets put down a drain. Any solids like whats left from preparing food goes in the compost pile, other than human waste and associated paper, and bath water thats about all that goes into my septic system. For quite a few years now the wash water goes separate from the rest of the waste water. Why put good grey water in a septic tank when it can be used for nourishing plants etc, and cut down on a water bill in the prcess. I would think if you had to pump your tank every year its not being utilized properly, or it was improperly installed to begin with, or your soil does not perk to good. There should not be any need to pump a septic tank yearly. A drain field is just that, a means to allow liquid or so called cleaned waters free of solids to drain or leach out into. Its when you get solids pushing into the drain fields that cause them to clog up......... I can agree with the inspect and pump when needed concept, and my frequency on checking now is about every 5 years or so....... Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com Opinions expressed are those of my wife, I had no input whatsoever. Remove "nospam" from email addy. |
Hmm. Two of my absolute favorite subjects...
On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:56:34 GMT, (Roy) wrote: I can see yeast inducing bacteria into a septic tank and even a pond, but like Cashj ppointed out, the yeast that was in beer, has been cooked and is probably expended and not capable of doing the things yeast normally does If you are drinking large scale, commercially-bottled beer, it's pasteurized. You're guaranteed that it is dead as a doornail, and just as tasty. However, if you're drinking _real_ beer (come on by some time, ponders, and I'll offer you one) that yeast has never been cooked and only wants a little something sweet to feed on to perk right back up. Unfortunately for the yeast, there isn't much in your average pond to appeal to it (it does need ammonia, though - so it could do some good). -- derek |
Hmm. Two of my absolute favorite subjects...
On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:56:34 GMT, (Roy) wrote: I can see yeast inducing bacteria into a septic tank and even a pond, but like Cashj ppointed out, the yeast that was in beer, has been cooked and is probably expended and not capable of doing the things yeast normally does If you are drinking large scale, commercially-bottled beer, it's pasteurized. You're guaranteed that it is dead as a doornail, and just as tasty. However, if you're drinking _real_ beer (come on by some time, ponders, and I'll offer you one) that yeast has never been cooked and only wants a little something sweet to feed on to perk right back up. Unfortunately for the yeast, there isn't much in your average pond to appeal to it (it does need ammonia, though - so it could do some good). -- derek |
This should be cautious says. If the pond has a waterfall filter, it would be very easy to bypass the waterfall. The biofalls filter is at the top of the waterfall, it is difficult to bypass the waterfall, to prevent their escape. For biofalls type filter would be a good idea to go with some form of recycling or aeration system, but I suspect a lot of things.
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