When is the best time to put plants in the pond? Never had plants in the
pond before so I haven't a clue. Also, what are some good plants for a fast
moving waterfall? I would like some plants on the waterfall ledges but the
water comes at a fast rate. Is the a good web site on how to establish a
water garden and planting advice?
BTW. I am in the Portland, Oregon area we've had vitually NO winter and are
experiencing a very early spring. The fish aren't coming out yet (2 koi, 1
goldfish, 1 comet) Thanks!!

Around here, SE WA state, our nurseries seem
to get plants in May. But we are also experiencing
nice weather and I wonder if they will push the
season.

I plant watercress in my waterfall. I get it from the grocery store,
just a stem and leaves. I put the stem under a rock and
that's it. (Don't use BV's patent pending 'and beer' method
as I don't drink...) Watercress likes moving water and if the
rock will hold it in your fast moving waterfall it ought to do
really well. The roots don't require much of anything. When
I have to weed my waterfall I just grab it and it comes right
up, seems to send out very shallow and brittle roots.

kathy

are you guys talking about "air fern"? that unnaturally green stuff? water
fern - SUN plant? water celery? "real" names?

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______________________
Claudia
Totus Tuus

Water Celery is the *actual* name
(I don't *do* scientific names ;-)
and it does well in full sun. I had
some growing in my frog bog
which is shallow and gets lots of
hot sun in the summer.

There are a couple different versions
of it, varigated, green and pink (which
I guess is still varigated but I always tend
to think green and white) and plain old green.

One of our nurseries sells it.
It is a vigorous grower.

I had the pink and green kind in the
frog bog and took it out as it tended to look
like it was drying out. The pink turned more
cream coloured in the sun whereas jan's, which
had more shade, really looked pretty with a
truer pink with the green.

kathy

kathy wrote:

Water Celery is the *actual* name
(I don't *do* scientific names ;-)

For those of you who don't "do" scientific names, check out
http://www.itis.usda.gov/. It doesn't help find "Water celery", but if you
ask for "celery", you find "watercelery" and "Vallisneria
americana" (Vallisneria??? see below). It's really helpful for everybody
when we know the scientific name, as there can be a dozen plants or animals
with the same common name (ITIS lists 4 "wild celery", at least two of them
being quite different). Once you have the scientific name, plug it into
"Google Images" (you can usually get there from the ITIS pages - click on
the highlighted common or scientific name, go to the bottom of the page and
click on "Search Off-Site Resources") for various images of the plant.

Vallisneria? OK, this probably isn't a very useful example for ITIS,
because I'm pretty sure Water Celery _can't_ be a Vallisneria. afaik,
Vallisneria are submerged plants, and water celery isn't. otoh, some
plants used as submerged oxygenators in the aquarium trade, really are
emergent plants, so it could be the same thing. It's _so_ much easier when
we know the scientific names...
--
derek

"Derek Broughton" wrote ...

... Vallisneria? OK, this probably isn't a very useful example for ITIS,
because I'm pretty sure Water Celery _can't_ be a Vallisneria. afaik,
Vallisneria are submerged plants, and water celery isn't ...

I'm pretty sure this "water celery" is actually water parsley (after doing
some research last year). Water parsley or Oenanthe sarmentosa is often
called water celery; either all green, or a green/white or green/pink
variegated form.

Pic of green plant at
http://www.calflora.net/bloomingplan...coenanthe.html
Pic of variegated plant at http://www.paghat.com/waterparsley.html
--
Zookeeper
Oregon, USDA Zone 7
3500gal pond, 13 pond piggies

"Derek Broughton" wrote in message
...
kathy wrote:

Water Celery is the *actual* name
(I don't *do* scientific names ;-)

For those of you who don't "do" scientific names, check out
http://www.itis.usda.gov/. It doesn't help find "Water celery", but if
you

Cool! I didn't know about that site. I'm pretty familiar with botanical
names of ornamental plants (garden center manager), and I've often wondered
what the entire taxonomy looked like. It's been 25 years since I took a
biology class...

"ClaudCar" wrote in message
news:4W2Wd.40487$uc.38163@trnddc01...
are you guys talking about "air fern"? that unnaturally green stuff?
water
fern - SUN plant? water celery? "real" names?
=======================
I wish pond plants were sold with the correct names on them. I've seen some
at Lowe's with no tags at all. I suppose they get lost along the way. Or
they'll be sold as Blue Flag or some other name that may fit several
different plants.
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
I have a firm grip on reality.
Now I can strangle it.
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:46:08 GMT, "ClaudCar"
wrote:

are you guys talking about "air fern"? that unnaturally green stuff? water
fern - SUN plant? water celery? "real" names?

I do know what air fern is, this is a bit coarser. ~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

"kathy" wrote in message
ups.com...
snip
I plant watercress in my waterfall. I get it from the grocery store,
just a stem and leaves. I put the stem under a rock and
that's it. (Don't use BV's patent pending 'and beer' method
as I don't drink...)
snip

I use a similar beer drinking, place the roots under a rock technique. I did
find out last year that my drink and toss method works well with my stream,
which is actually a series of small pools that are interconnected. The WC
went crazy.


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

"99windstar" wrote:

When is the best time to put plants in the pond? Never had plants in the
pond before so I haven't a clue. Also, what are some good plants for a fast
moving waterfall? I would like some plants on the waterfall ledges but the
water comes at a fast rate.
Water cress comes to mind. I also have some things in pots so the current
isn't such an issue if you can hide the pot with rocks

Is the a good web site on how to establish a
water garden and planting advice?
The best! There are some very knowledgeable people here.



San Diego Joe
4,000 - 5,000 Gallons.
Goldfish, a RES named Colombo and an Oscar.

Unless you use chlorine in your pond, you already have algae (plants)
growing there. Some plants can be invasive, but I've found selecting
dwarf or variegated types grow more slowly. You can add plants at any
time, although spring is best. I don't have any plant suggestions for
a fast moving water. I have elodea, parrot feather, dwarf rush,
variegated flag, lilies, hornwort, water hyacinth. I had cattails,
and had to remove them because they took over the entire pond, perhaps
I will try a dwarf variety.


On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:43:35 GMT, "99windstar"
wrote:

When is the best time to put plants in the pond? Never had plants in the
pond before so I haven't a clue. Also, what are some good plants for a fast
moving waterfall? I would like some plants on the waterfall ledges but the
water comes at a fast rate. Is the a good web site on how to establish a
water garden and planting advice?
BTW. I am in the Portland, Oregon area we've had vitually NO winter and are
experiencing a very early spring. The fish aren't coming out yet (2 koi, 1
goldfish, 1 comet) Thanks!!

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 02:53:39 GMT, Phisherman wrote:

I had cattails,
and had to remove them because they took over the entire pond, perhaps
I will try a dwarf variety.

I've got a pot of the dwarf variety, very easy to control, but I think I'm
going to divide and sell it off this year. Reason, by fall it looked kind
of messy, and it is a difficult plant to get out of the pot and divide.
Plus, the wind was always blowing it over.

I've also gotten to where I enjoy the water-conditioned cannas more than
many of the hardy marginals. Come fall, when the cannas come out, I put
several pots of iris in there place. They grow and bloom before the cannas
are hardened off, thus plant filtering the pond in spring, then I move them
to these pots I've got out by the front door. Looked pretty cool last year,
as long as the paper boy didn't wack them or drown the paper in them.
;o) ~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:06:30 -0800, ~ jan JJsPond.us
wrote:

===On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 02:53:39 GMT, Phisherman wrote:
===
===I had cattails,
===and had to remove them because they took over the entire pond, perhaps
===I will try a dwarf variety.
===
===I've got a pot of the dwarf variety, very easy to control, but I think I'm
===going to divide and sell it off this year. Reason, by fall it looked kind
===of messy, and it is a difficult plant to get out of the pot and divide.
===Plus, the wind was always blowing it over.
===
===I've also gotten to where I enjoy the water-conditioned cannas more than
===many of the hardy marginals. Come fall, when the cannas come out, I put
===several pots of iris in there place. They grow and bloom before the cannas
===are hardened off, thus plant filtering the pond in spring, then I move them
===to these pots I've got out by the front door. Looked pretty cool last year,
===as long as the paper boy didn't wack them or drown the paper in them.
=== ;o) ~ jan
===
=== ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

I have never had any luck with the dwarf variety of cat tails either,
even growiing in a natural pond. Seemed just a slight breeze would
break or bend them over.......I do have lots of regular cat tails and
have no problems keeping them under control, but have since pulled a
lot of them up and replaced them with thick stands of Iris.

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