koi ulcer question
due to 'stupidity' on my part, I have 2 8" koi that have an ulcer on their
side, due to injury ( believe me , I could NOT believe what I almost did to my fish...... don't ask). anyway, I have been treating the pond with melafix,, have lymnozyme in it, & adding koi clay. its been a week, & the ulcers do not look much better. I do NOT feel like putting in another $40. worth of meds after this round is complete in a few days.(for koi that are worth $20. a piece.. they used up their cost replacement already) is there any chance they will eventually heal on their own?? don't suggest a smaller quarantine tank, as that was part of my original problem....... |
NOt to sound harsh, but thats what happens when you treat fish with
snake oil which is what Mela and Pima fix is......SNAKE OIL............Get rid of the snake oil, do as large a water change as you feel comfortable doing, and then dose them in potassium permanganate........at whatever dose you need. The dose rate is typically 2ppm, but since you have a lot of "junk" in the water from that mela fix, it will probably need more just to overcome and fully oxidize that crap before it gets to working on what the problem really was..........Do a demand test to find out how much PP your gonna need for the ppm required.....Its all laid out on the university of floridas website. If the fish are eating I would recomendgetting some medicated feed. After the PP treatment which you may have to do 2 x back to back preferably, keep feeding the medicated feeds. In the interim until you find PP you can net these fish, and swab the area with hydrogen peroxide, and then apply iodine or neosporin or panalog antibiotic cream, which you can keep on the fish if you apply some denture adhesive goop over the treated ulcer..... PP is cheap and iodine peroxide and antibiotic ointments / creams are usually found in most everyones house.......Biggest expense would be antibiotic medicated feed, which IMHO is cheep if the fish mean anyhting to you........ Don;t add salt, clay or anyhting else until the PP has had a chance to oxidize and clean uyp these fishes ulcers, and really by them no additonal treatment except for water changes, and medicated feeds should be necessary. Normally it takes 7 to 10 days on medicated feeds or water soluable antibiotic treated water for the treatment to be effective..........Triple sulpha available at most petshops should be fine....... http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ Specifically papers Fact Sheets FA-23.....The Use of Potassium Permanganate in Fish Ponds FA-29.....Introduction to Viral Diseases of Fish FA-37.....Use of Potassium Permangante to Control Infections of Ornamental Fish Other good papers a Circular..CIR920, ..Ich infections in fish Circular..CIR921, ..Introduction to Fish Health Management Southern Regional Aquaculture Center Pubs: SRAC Pub 475 ..Proliferative Gill Disease SRAC Pub 7201 ..Species Profile Koi & Goldfish SRAC Pub 479 ..Columnaris Disease University of Florida Fact Sheets: Fact Sheet VM-142 Spring Viremia of Carp Fact Sheet VM-97 Fungal Diseases of Fish On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 01:57:57 -0400, "*muffin*" wrote: ===due to 'stupidity' on my part, I have 2 8" koi that have an ulcer on their ===side, due to injury ( believe me , I could NOT believe what I almost did to ===my fish...... don't ask). === ===anyway, I have been treating the pond with melafix,, have lymnozyme in it, & ===adding koi clay. its been a week, & the ulcers do not look much better. I do ===NOT feel like putting in another $40. worth of meds after this round is ===complete in a few days.(for koi that are worth $20. a piece.. they used up ===their cost replacement already) === ===is there any chance they will eventually heal on their own?? === === ===don't suggest a smaller quarantine tank, as that was part of my original ===problem....... === ============================================== Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked! "The original frugal ponder" ~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o |
"*muffin*" wrote in message ... due to 'stupidity' on my part, I have 2 8" koi that have an ulcer on their side, due to injury ( believe me , I could NOT believe what I almost did to my fish...... don't ask). anyway, I have been treating the pond with melafix,, have lymnozyme in it, & adding koi clay. its been a week, & the ulcers do not look much better. I do NOT feel like putting in another $40. worth of meds after this round is complete in a few days.(for koi that are worth $20. a piece.. they used up their cost replacement already) is there any chance they will eventually heal on their own?? don't suggest a smaller quarantine tank, as that was part of my original problem....... ============================== Once I started using Lymnozyme not one koi ever developed an ulcer, even after spawning when some injured themselves. One had a nasty injury on his back this year and it healed in a week. If you can catch them you can treat the injuries themselves with Methiolate or whatever is recommended these days. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED. Do not feed the trolls. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
thanks for the info. (good references to save)
I am familiar with PP, but have always 'read' it is for parasites & other bacterial infections. my case is due to injury , which I did not see that PP had any cure for, & i had read many sites that melafix as great for that. I also have seen pastes & such for the wound care, but I am not subjecting them or the rest of the pond fish to a 'fish hunt' I do have medicated food, but to try to make sure THEY only eat it woudl be impossible (g). these 2 koi are the 'mutts' in the bunch, and if they survive, yippeee, , but I am not going overboard & spending another $40+ for them. I was just hoping someone had some experience of their own, that could sugest! "~Roy~" wrote in message ... NOt to sound harsh, but thats what happens when you treat fish with snake oil which is what Mela and Pima fix is......SNAKE OIL............Get rid of the snake oil, do as large a water change as you feel comfortable doing, and then dose them in potassium permanganate........at whatever dose you need. The dose rate is typically 2ppm, but since you have a lot of "junk" in the water from that mela fix, it will probably need more just to overcome and fully oxidize that crap before it gets to working on what the problem really was..........Do a demand test to find out how much PP your gonna need for the ppm required.....Its all laid out on the university of floridas website. If the fish are eating I would recomendgetting some medicated feed. After the PP treatment which you may have to do 2 x back to back preferably, keep feeding the medicated feeds. In the interim until you find PP you can net these fish, and swab the area with hydrogen peroxide, and then apply iodine or neosporin or panalog antibiotic cream, which you can keep on the fish if you apply some denture adhesive goop over the treated ulcer..... PP is cheap and iodine peroxide and antibiotic ointments / creams are usually found in most everyones house.......Biggest expense would be antibiotic medicated feed, which IMHO is cheep if the fish mean anyhting to you........ Don;t add salt, clay or anyhting else until the PP has had a chance to oxidize and clean uyp these fishes ulcers, and really by them no additonal treatment except for water changes, and medicated feeds should be necessary. Normally it takes 7 to 10 days on medicated feeds or water soluable antibiotic treated water for the treatment to be effective..........Triple sulpha available at most petshops should be fine....... http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ Specifically papers Fact Sheets FA-23.....The Use of Potassium Permanganate in Fish Ponds FA-29.....Introduction to Viral Diseases of Fish FA-37.....Use of Potassium Permangante to Control Infections of Ornamental Fish Other good papers a Circular..CIR920, ..Ich infections in fish Circular..CIR921, ..Introduction to Fish Health Management Southern Regional Aquaculture Center Pubs: SRAC Pub 475 ..Proliferative Gill Disease SRAC Pub 7201 ..Species Profile Koi & Goldfish SRAC Pub 479 ..Columnaris Disease University of Florida Fact Sheets: Fact Sheet VM-142 Spring Viremia of Carp Fact Sheet VM-97 Fungal Diseases of Fish On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 01:57:57 -0400, "*muffin*" wrote: ===due to 'stupidity' on my part, I have 2 8" koi that have an ulcer on their ===side, due to injury ( believe me , I could NOT believe what I almost did to ===my fish...... don't ask). === ===anyway, I have been treating the pond with melafix,, have lymnozyme in it, & ===adding koi clay. its been a week, & the ulcers do not look much better. I do ===NOT feel like putting in another $40. worth of meds after this round is ===complete in a few days.(for koi that are worth $20. a piece.. they used up ===their cost replacement already) === ===is there any chance they will eventually heal on their own?? === === ===don't suggest a smaller quarantine tank, as that was part of my original ===problem....... === ============================================== Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked! "The original frugal ponder" ~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o |
I guess I'll just make sure the lymnozyme is kept up.. I also didn't have
any problems in the past when using the stuff,, but never had to deal with injuries like this. so , you are saying they did get better with just the lymnozyme use? my injuries are a "bunch" of scales & 'meat' scraped off about the size between a nickle & quarter. ============================== Once I started using Lymnozyme not one koi ever developed an ulcer, even after spawning when some injured themselves. One had a nasty injury on his back this year and it healed in a week. If you can catch them you can treat the injuries themselves with Methiolate or whatever is recommended these days. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... |
"*muffin*" wrote in message ... I guess I'll just make sure the lymnozyme is kept up.. ## Yes, and keep it in the fridge! It works, but not if you forget to use it. :-) I also didn't have any problems in the past when using the stuff,, but never had to deal with injuries like this. ## It works even with nasty injuries. so , you are saying they did get better with just the lymnozyme use? ## YES!!!! But I don't wait for spawning or injuries. I add it as soon as they become active in the spring. my injuries are a "bunch" of scales & 'meat' scraped off about the size between a nickle & quarter. ## If the injury is already infected you may need to treat it once to clean the dead tissue away etc. But add the Lymozyme as soon as possible. I have seen some nasty ulcers clear up rapidly when Lymozyme was added to the pond. No other treatment was given. We had awful problems with ulcers several years back here in TN. I don't think any ponds were spared....... -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED. Do not feed the trolls. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:26:12 -0400, "*muffin*" wrote:
so , you are saying they did get better with just the lymnozyme use? I'll agree with that, assuming the ulcers aren't too deep. What color are they? If white, that is good healing, equal to a healthy scab on us. If the ulcers are bad, red, and getting worst, remove and put an end to the fish as their stress becomes a stress to the rest of the fish. ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: www.jjspond.us ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
You want to keep up the lymozyme on an ongoing basis - as I understand
it it "crowds out" the bad Aeromonas bacteria that would otherwise infect your fish at any wound site. I would suggest the addition of salt. Referring to Erik Johnson DVM "Koi Health and Disease" for ulcers he recommends 0.33% salt (2.5 lb/100 Gal) dividing the dose in to 3 parts and adding over three days to avoid stressing the fish and filter. The salt deters parasites and reduces stress on the fish by reducing the osmotic pressure on them (their organs have to work to excrete water from their tissues to maintain the right salt level in their bodies - salt in the water = less work to maintain them selves). If possible raise water temperature to 74-76 degrees Helps if you have a "hospital tank". Good luck bringing your fish back to health. I hate to loose a fish no mater how much/little I have paid for them - I just feel responsible. Cheers. *muffin* wrote: I guess I'll just make sure the lymnozyme is kept up.. I also didn't have any problems in the past when using the stuff,, but never had to deal with injuries like this. so , you are saying they did get better with just the lymnozyme use? my injuries are a "bunch" of scales & 'meat' scraped off about the size between a nickle & quarter. |
"Greg Cooper" wrote in message news:1O9se.71186$tt5.60114@edtnps90... You want to keep up the lymozyme on an ongoing basis - as I understand it it "crowds out" the bad Aeromonas bacteria that would otherwise infect your fish at any wound site. ======================= And it does this very well. Even if they already have an ulcer - the ulcer will heal rapidly. At least that's been my experience. We use it a few times in the spring and keep it refrigerated at all times. The store we get it from also keeps it cold. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED. Do not feed the trolls. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
Koizyme is the same as Lymnozyme...........and its not designed to
CURE anything.Its merely designed to reduce infectious bateria levels, giving a fish a hopefull edge in over coming a problem....It will not cure or wipe out an infection by any means .......Pristine good quality water in a QT will do the same thing, give your fish an edge on potential problems............. ============================================== Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked! "The original frugal ponder" ~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o |
"~Roy~" wrote in message ... Koizyme is the same as Lymnozyme...........and its not designed to CURE anything. # No one said it was. Is your reading comprehension as poor as your grammar and spelling? Its merely designed to reduce infectious bateria levels, giving a fish a hopefull edge in over coming a problem....It will not cure or wipe out an infection by any means ....... # It cured my koi. :-) No more ulcers........ Pristine good quality water in a QT will do the same thing, give your fish an edge on potential problems............. # WOW! Who would have guessed????? :-D -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED. Do not feed the trolls. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
"~ janj JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:26:12 -0400, "*muffin*" wrote: so , you are saying they did get better with just the lymnozyme use? I'll agree with that, assuming the ulcers aren't too deep. What color are they? If white, that is good healing, equal to a healthy scab on us. If the ulcers are bad, red, and getting worst, remove and put an end to the fish as their stress becomes a stress to the rest of the fish. ~ jan the fish are very active, swimming, eating. the 'wound' on the lemon colored one, looks reddish/black. the wound on the gold one. looks about the same as the rest of the fish, only it is 'puffy' with scales missing. (oh, I'll try to get a picture of them) ~~~~ waves to Jan! |
"Lovin' Spoonful" wrote in message ... "*muffin*" wrote in message ... I guess I'll just make sure the lymnozyme is kept up.. ## Yes, and keep it in the fridge! It works, but not if you forget to use it. :-) ## YES!!!! But I don't wait for spawning or injuries. I add it as soon as they become active in the spring. yes I have been using the stuff for a few years, but right before I wanted to put it in this year I found my bottle was frozen.... so had to order a new one. I was concerned that the box it arrived in, everything was 'warm' ( could have sworn the last order I got had an ice bag in it!) I do keep it in the fridge, I just hope the 'warmth' of the delivery didn't screw it up! |
Pristine good quality water in a QT will do the same thing, give your fish an edge on potential problems............. oh I agree...... but, as I mentioned, due to problems with the last trip in a tank, I am not doing this with these fish (even if I could catch them) I did have *another* indoor tank , about a year ago, that no matter WHAT I did I could not get the balance correct in the tank, there was always presence of ammonia in it, even with trying to do the balance thing with a small fish,, water changes etc. it was a nightmare, I tried asking for advice on the fish groups, but nothing seemed to help. I guess the tank is cursed. |
"*muffin*" wrote in message ... yes I have been using the stuff for a few years, but right before I wanted to put it in this year I found my bottle was frozen.... so had to order a new one. I was concerned that the box it arrived in, everything was 'warm' ( could have sworn the last order I got had an ice bag in it!) $$ Prime example of why I don't buy some things mail order. I have an Aquarium store about 20 miles from here that sells Lymnozyme and so I drive there for it. I take my small cooler and an ice-pack with me. Needless to say I come straight home from the store and the bottle is still chilled. :-) I do keep it in the fridge, I just hope the 'warmth' of the delivery didn't screw it up! $$ I suppose that would depend on how long it was "warmed up" and just how warm it go........ -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED. Do not feed the trolls. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
"*muffin*" wrote in message ... I did have *another* indoor tank , about a year ago, that no matter WHAT I did I could not get the balance correct in the tank, there was always presence of ammonia in it, even with trying to do the balance thing with a small fish,, water changes etc. it was a nightmare, I tried asking for advice on the fish groups, but nothing seemed to help. I guess the tank is cursed. ===================== The few times I've run into that problem I gave up, cleaned the tank out, washed the gravel, tosses the filter material way and started over again. The second time around they always cycled... but then I don't mess much with the PH, etc. In NYC we had slightly acid water (6.8) so I stuck with fish that thrived in acid water or used dolomite gravel. Here in TN it's slightly alkaline so I stick with fish that prefer that type of water. Less stress for the fish and myself. Outdoors it's the koi, rosy reds and goldfish. Indoors it's platys right now. Goldfish do so much better outdoors I don't keep them indoors anymore. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED. Do not feed the trolls. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
yes I have been using the stuff for a few years, but right before I wanted
to put it in this year I found my bottle was frozen.... so had to order a new one. I was concerned that the box it arrived in, everything was 'warm' ( could have sworn the last order I got had an ice bag in it!) I do keep it in the fridge, I just hope the 'warmth' of the delivery didn't screw it up! "Supposedly" (so told by a dealer) the expiration date on the bottle is if kept at room temp. It will last twice as long in the frig. Not sure what too warm would do to it. ~ jan ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
I did have *another* indoor tank , about a year ago, that no matter WHAT I
did I could not get the balance correct in the tank, there was always presence of ammonia in it, even with trying to do the balance thing with a small fish,, water changes etc. it was a nightmare, I tried asking for advice on the fish groups, but nothing seemed to help. I guess the tank is cursed. Did you use what I call the "Amquel Answer"? I'd been taught to balance a tank and not stress fish one had to do water changes. Then someone informed me to use Amquel (or similar product) to de-tox the ammonia and salt to detox the nitrites and treat the tank/aquarium as I normally would with 10% change/week. Worked like a charmed for me. ~ jan ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
the stuff I used was clor-amx (spelling) it was the powdered stuff..
ammonia dissapeared but was back in a few days later. tank was a 55 gal, with only a couple small fish in it. "~ janj JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... I did have *another* indoor tank , about a year ago, that no matter WHAT I did I could not get the balance correct in the tank, there was always presence of ammonia in it, even with trying to do the balance thing with a small fish,, water changes etc. it was a nightmare, I tried asking for advice on the fish groups, but nothing seemed to help. I guess the tank is cursed. Did you use what I call the "Amquel Answer"? I'd been taught to balance a tank and not stress fish one had to do water changes. Then someone informed me to use Amquel (or similar product) to de-tox the ammonia and salt to detox the nitrites and treat the tank/aquarium as I normally would with 10% change/week. Worked like a charmed for me. ~ jan ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 02:00:57 -0400, "*muffin*" wrote:
the stuff I used was clor-amx (spelling) it was the powdered stuff.. ammonia dissapeared but was back in a few days later. tank was a 55 gal, with only a couple small fish in it. Chlor-Amx same thing as Amquell, you have to keep using it till the cycle is complete. ~ jan ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
Feed them to your Cat. And don't be so dumb the next time.
*muffin* wrote: due to 'stupidity' on my part, I have 2 8" koi that have an ulcer on their side, due to injury ( believe me , I could NOT believe what I almost did to my fish...... don't ask). anyway, I have been treating the pond with melafix,, have lymnozyme in it, & adding koi clay. its been a week, & the ulcers do not look much better. I do NOT feel like putting in another $40. worth of meds after this round is complete in a few days.(for koi that are worth $20. a piece.. they used up their cost replacement already) is there any chance they will eventually heal on their own?? don't suggest a smaller quarantine tank, as that was part of my original problem....... |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:55:47 -0400, ~Carol~ wrote:
Reel Mckoi wrote: Jab Cracklin wrote: In article Yorkshire Pudding wrote: On 15 Jun 2005 22:11:18 -0000, Anonymous Trace: Qwest/jersey City NJ wrote: Carol remailers has been traced to: Please inform them that their customer is abusing their service By spaming the net via remailers. Thay have a firsthop log file. The account is alias alias The above is Carol gate way from her home PC to her remailers and NSP. And she thought her remailers could not be traced. OrgName: Hughes Network Systems OrgID: HNS Address: 11717 Exploration Lane Address: DirecWAY Network Management Center Address: attn: Network Security Manager City: Germantown StateProv: MD PostalCode: 20876 Country: US NetRange: 66.82.0.0 - 66.82.255.255 CIDR: 66.82.0.0/16 NetName: DIRECPC-1BLK NetHandle: NET-66-82-0-0-1 Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: NS1.DIRECPC.COM NameServer: NS2.DIRECPC.COM Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE RegDate: 2001-02-28 Updated: 2003-01-21 TechHandle: ZD63-ARIN TechName: DirecPC TechPhone: +1-301-601-7205 TechEmail: OrgTechHandle: NSM5-ARIN OrgTechName: Network Security Manager OrgTechPhone: +1-301-601-7205 OrgTechEmail: Carol Can be reported at: Tell Dimitry that NYM Shifting to bypass filters goes against netiquette here is carol Id at x-privat.org Organization: X-Privat NNTP Server - http://www.x-privat.org X-Authenticated-User: $$wp88bm267170ku3euk728nz X-Info: More info http://www.x-privat.org/infonews.php Hello Jabriol I think that a new friend has found you. |
"Body Snatcher" ZXh0ZW5kNy42MkBnbWFpbC5jb20= wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:55:47 -0400, ~Carol~ wrote: Reel Mckoi wrote: Jab Cracklin wrote: In article Yorkshire Pudding wrote: On 15 Jun 2005 22:11:18 -0000, Anonymous Trace: Qwest/jersey City NJ wrote: Carol remailers has been traced to: [some fantasy......] Hello Jabriol I think that a new friend has found you. ==================== Can you imagine the LIES!?!?!?! Tracing a remailer,...unreal. What person would send an anonymous message through their ISP's SMTP to start with???? Even if they did, it's still not traceable once it hits the 2nd, 3rd hop. LOL!!!! :-D Ever hear of a pathological liar? Someone who would rather climb a tree to LIE then stand on the ground and tell the truth? They call it "theocratic warfare strategy." As you've seen, they're also not above a little "blackmail."........ -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED. Do not feed the trolls. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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