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Unruly Red Ribbons
I received two Red Ribbons from my Dad last year and they are really
annoying. They keep throwing out these singular 5 feet long limbs from a plant that otherwise remains about 4 inches tall. I kept trying to prune those off last year. They would just throw out another disproportionately long limb from right below my cut. Really messed up their shape last year. This spring, they started out right away with this annoying growth habit. Should I move them to a place where I can try training those monster limbs to climb, or should I just whack them in the head with the shovel? Anyone else experience this problem with this particular rose? Mike z8TX |
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Mike wrote:
I received two Red Ribbons from my Dad last year and they are really annoying. They keep throwing out these singular 5 feet long limbs from a plant that otherwise remains about 4 inches tall. I kept trying to prune those off last year. They would just throw out another disproportionately long limb from right below my cut. Really messed up their shape last year. This spring, they started out right away with this annoying growth habit. Should I move them to a place where I can try training those monster limbs to climb, or should I just whack them in the head with the shovel? Anyone else experience this problem with this particular rose? It sounds like you're fighting what the rose wants to be, at least from the HelpMeFind description: 2' x 5' to 7' Sounds perfect to climb a 2' fence. Probably falls off a wall pretty well. |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... I received two Red Ribbons from my Dad last year and they are really annoying. They keep throwing out these singular 5 feet long limbs from a plant that otherwise remains about 4 inches tall. I kept trying to prune those off last year. They would just throw out another disproportionately long limb from right below my cut. Really messed up their shape last year. This spring, they started out right away with this annoying growth habit. Should I move them to a place where I can try training those monster limbs to climb, or should I just whack them in the head with the shovel? Anyone else experience this problem with this particular rose? Mike z8TX Hello Mike, I am with Cass here. I don't know about Red Ribbons but when a rose goes up, if you want blooms, you just let her have her way. If the canes are pliable and you can bend them without breaking them, then get a couple of those landscape fabric staples - you know the kind that looks like real staples only on steroids - and gently bend the cane towards the soil. Put the staple in position and make the cane go under the staple, then make sure while securing the staple to the ground that you still have the cane bent and not to the breaking point. Some times it helps to tie some jute around the tip and then tie the tip to the base of the plant to create a bow till the cane gets comfortable in that pegging position. You may be surprised how beautiful some roses can look by this gentle torture. If you don't want to do that, then I will suggest you move her to another place where indeed she can go up as high as she pleases. Cutting her is defeating her purpose which is to bloom all along her canes, so if you peg her, you may end with a couple of gorgeous rose fountains. Allegra |
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Cass wrote:
Mike wrote: I received two Red Ribbons from my Dad last year and they are really annoying. They keep throwing out these singular 5 feet long limbs from a plant that otherwise remains about 4 inches tall. I kept trying to prune those off last year. They would just throw out another disproportionately long limb from right below my cut. Really messed up their shape last year. This spring, they started out right away with this annoying growth habit. Should I move them to a place where I can try training those monster limbs to climb, or should I just whack them in the head with the shovel? Anyone else experience this problem with this particular rose? It sounds like you're fighting what the rose wants to be, at least from the HelpMeFind description: 2' x 5' to 7' Sounds perfect to climb a 2' fence. Probably falls off a wall pretty well. Hi Cass, Hmm... I was told "groundcover." So I heave Botanica's suitcase down from the shelf and look it up. Botanica's says groundcover as well, but in the description states "..good subject for pillars and as a standard." But why do I only get one cane that wants to grow like that when the rest of the canes remain so diminuitive? My other climbers don't restrict their length to a single cane. That's what's so frustrating. I can't imagine training one cane round and round a pillar while the rest of the shrub sits at the base and pouts. I picture that in my head and it ain't pretty. g Mike z8TX |
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, "Allegra" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message . .. I received two Red Ribbons from my Dad last year and they are really annoying. They keep throwing out these singular 5 feet long limbs from a plant that otherwise remains about 4 inches tall. I kept trying to prune those off last year. They would just throw out another disproportionately long limb from right below my cut. Really messed up their shape last year. This spring, they started out right away with this annoying growth habit. Should I move them to a place where I can try training those monster limbs to climb, or should I just whack them in the head with the shovel? Anyone else experience this problem with this particular rose? Mike z8TX Hello Mike, I am with Cass here. I don't know about Red Ribbons but when a rose goes up, if you want blooms, you just let her have her way. If the canes are pliable and you can bend them without breaking them, then get a couple of those landscape fabric staples - you know the kind that looks like real staples only on steroids - and gently bend the cane towards the soil. Put the staple in position and make the cane go under the staple, then make sure while securing the staple to the ground that you still have the cane bent and not to the breaking point. Some times it helps to tie some jute around the tip and then tie the tip to the base of the plant to create a bow till the cane gets comfortable in that pegging position. You may be surprised how beautiful some roses can look by this gentle torture. If you don't want to do that, then I will suggest you move her to another place where indeed she can go up as high as she pleases. Cutting her is defeating her purpose which is to bloom all along her canes, so if you peg her, you may end with a couple of gorgeous rose fountains. Allegra Hi Allegra, AH! Pegging! Now that's an idea. I actually have authentic official rose pegs (whatever that means) that I never used. I got them a few years ago when I got Graham Thomas. I thought I was going to peg him, but decided I liked the natural shape of the shrub and wasn't hurting for blooms, so I just put those up in the garage (yes, I love me some garage, as you mentioned before g) and forgot about them. I will try that. As I mentioned in my response to Cass's post, I couldn't imagine growing these as climbers because it appears only one cane on each plant wants to reach for the skies. But pegging may work and I won't have to transplant them to another location. So they remain on probation for another year. You are now their defense attorney. Deal with it. g Mike z8TX |
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"Mike" wrote So they remain on probation for another year. You are now their defense attorney. Deal with it. g Mike z8TX Oh yeah? I am only the defense attorney for ogr. Modern and barbies are not my specialty, but I will work pro bono for any rose in need. What in heaven's name are official rose pegs? We used to bend copper wire and made our own before the big ones came around. After a couple of months in the ground you couldn't tell the wire from the canes. And move that shovel away from my clients.G Allegra |
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, "Allegra" wrote:
"Mike" wrote So they remain on probation for another year. You are now their defense attorney. Deal with it. g Mike z8TX Oh yeah? I am only the defense attorney for ogr. Modern and barbies are not my specialty, but I will work pro bono for any rose in need. What in heaven's name are official rose pegs? We used to bend copper wire and made our own before the big ones came around. After a couple of months in the ground you couldn't tell the wire from the canes. And move that shovel away from my clients.G Allegra I agree with you. I've only been growing roses as a serious obsession for 5 years, so I'm no expert. I still have other plants and a lawn. I understand that makes me a piker when it comes to rose obsession. But my experience so far has me favoring the OGR's and Austins. I like the full-foliaged, robust shrub-like appearance of these plants, as opposed to the tall, skinny and bare appearance of most HT's. Besides, I grow for garden eye candy and my own pleasure. No desire to exhibit. So I doan need no steenkin' HT's. Official Authentic Use-Them-Or You-Must-Be-Some-Kind-Of-Loser Rose Pegs are glorified oversized bobby-pin looking things with a long spike on one end. In other words, I am a victim of marketing. The shovel is in the garage. Pouting. It says you're a buzz-kill. Mike z8TX |
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wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, "Allegra" wrote: "Mike" wrote So they remain on probation for another year. You are now their defense attorney. Deal with it. g Mike z8TX Oh yeah? I am only the defense attorney for ogr. Modern and barbies are not my specialty, but I will work pro bono for any rose in need. What in heaven's name are official rose pegs? We used to bend copper wire and made our own before the big ones came around. After a couple of months in the ground you couldn't tell the wire from the canes. And move that shovel away from my clients.G LOL I agree with you. I've only been growing roses as a serious obsession for 5 years, so I'm no expert. I still have other plants and a lawn. I understand that makes me a piker when it comes to rose obsession. But my experience so far has me favoring the OGR's and Austins. I like the full-foliaged, robust shrub-like appearance of these plants, as opposed to the tall, skinny and bare appearance of most HT's. Besides, I grow for garden eye candy and my own pleasure. No desire to exhibit. So I doan need no steenkin' HT's. Official Authentic Use-Them-Or You-Must-Be-Some-Kind-Of-Loser Rose Pegs are glorified oversized bobby-pin looking things with a long spike on one end. In other words, I am a victim of marketing. The shovel is in the garage. Pouting. It says you're a buzz-kill. You can keep your effete Martha Stewart rose pegs. Real meat-eating rose growers use 10 inch U-stakes from the drip-irrigation store. If you want to be nice, you can slip a 2 inch of 1/4 inch drip tubing over the curved part, or you can pound the peg and tie the rose. I'm dealing with a beast with 18 foot canes, so I just pound over the ends of the canes. You want to see pegged? Took 2 days, 25 puncture wounds. http://home.earthlink.net/~cbernstei...hevyPegged.jpg -- -=- Cass Zone 9 San Francisco Bay Area http://home.attbi.com/~cassbernstein/index.html |
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Mike wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Cass wrote: Mike wrote: I received two Red Ribbons from my Dad last year and they are really annoying. They keep throwing out these singular 5 feet long limbs from a plant that otherwise remains about 4 inches tall. ummm, I have two Red Ribbons in Reno. This 4 inch tall stuff is a temporary condition. I kept trying to prune those off last year. They would just throw out another disproportionately long limb from right below my cut. Really messed up their shape last year. This spring, they started out right away with this annoying growth habit. It's a hint of things to come. Should I move them to a place where I can try training those monster limbs to climb, or should I just whack them in the head with the shovel? Anyone else experience this problem with this particular rose? If you want a groundcover rose, fergeddit. It sounds like you're fighting what the rose wants to be, at least from the HelpMeFind description: 2' x 5' to 7' Try four to five feet tall at maturity, arching, spreading, always in bloom, and a very thorny little turkey when you try to get underneath to thin in out. Sounds perfect to climb a 2' fence. Probably falls off a wall pretty well. Yes, but needs lot of room, and doesn't drape much. It holds itself up in the middle. Hi Cass, Hmm... I was told "groundcover." That is SUCH a joke! So I heave Botanica's suitcase down from the shelf and look it up. Botanica's says groundcover as well, but in the description states "..good subject for pillars and as a standard." But why do I only get one cane that wants to grow like that when the rest of the canes remain so diminuitive? Just give it time. My other climbers don't restrict their length to a single cane. That's what's so frustrating. I can't imagine training one cane round and round a pillar while the rest of the shrub sits at the base and pouts. I picture that in my head and it ain't pretty. g Nor will your arms be if you attempt that feat. Regina |
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Mike wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Cass wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~cbernstei...hevyPegged.jpg Is that the dreaded yet ubiquitous red tip photinia I spy next to your lovely rose? Here in TX, those are junk shrubs that breed disease and defoliate on a regular basis. It's frightening to see it sitting so close to a rose! Do they not have those problems on the west coast? It's a shill, Mike. I'm disappointed that after 5 years into obsession, you didn't recognize the tactic immediately. ;~) One day your spouse leaves for work, and by the time s/he drags home at 7 PM, !presto! another useless landscape shrub has been replaced by a lovely rose. Since s/he isn't much of a gardener anyway, s/he won't really notice anything amiss until the rose blooms. Neat. Clean. Fait accompli. Actually, my photinia all tried to die the first 2 or 3 years. But after they got their roots under them (and maybe after the soil had been mulched long enough to change the pH), they really shot up. They now live on a 1 gallon dripper all through the summer. As for disease, that rose is impervious to everything, including the chainsaw. |
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Cass wrote:
Mike wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Cass wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~cbernstei...hevyPegged.jpg Is that the dreaded yet ubiquitous red tip photinia I spy next to your lovely rose? Here in TX, those are junk shrubs that breed disease and defoliate on a regular basis. It's frightening to see it sitting so close to a rose! Do they not have those problems on the west coast? It's a shill, Mike. I'm disappointed that after 5 years into obsession, you didn't recognize the tactic immediately. ;~) One day your spouse leaves for work, and by the time s/he drags home at 7 PM, !presto! another useless landscape shrub has been replaced by a lovely rose. Since s/he isn't much of a gardener anyway, s/he won't really notice anything amiss until the rose blooms. Neat. Clean. Fait accompli. You're devious. I like that. Actually, my photinia all tried to die the first 2 or 3 years. But after they got their roots under them (and maybe after the soil had been mulched long enough to change the pH), they really shot up. They now live on a 1 gallon dripper all through the summer. As for disease, that rose is impervious to everything, including the chainsaw. Well, if you can grow photinia without those problems, it would be a worthwhile shrub. I do like the red leaves in spring and the overall glossy look to the foliage. Grows fast and makes a great hedge.The white flowerheads are a nice touch, too. They just wont remain healthy here, though. It seems when one photinia gets sick, it spreads it to every photinia with a 10 mile radius. Yet, the two most common landscaping elements here are crepe myrtle and red tip photinia. Go figure. Mike z8TX |
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Xref: news7 rec.gardens.roses:90112
"Mike" wrote So I doan need no steenkin' HT's. Ok, Señor Gold Hat, you don't need to show me no steenkin' badges either to believe you really like the org best. ( smart boy!) The shovel is in the garage. Pouting. It says you're a buzz-kill. Righto! Since when is there an attorney who isn't? You told me I was their defendant in this case, right? so deal with it ;) Allegra |
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, "Allegra" wrote:
"Mike" wrote So I doan need no steenkin' HT's. Ok, Se=F1or Gold Hat, you don't need to show me no steenkin' badges either to believe you really like the org best. ( smart boy!) The shovel is in the garage. Pouting. It says you're a buzz-kill. Righto! Since when is there an attorney who isn't? You told me I was their defendant in this case, right? so deal with it ;) Allegra Hey Allegra, Can't hide a reference from you, can I?=20 How's your spring coming? The wildflowers are beginning to pop here. Mostly= bluebonnet right now, but give it a week or so. I'm anxious to see if I was= brilliant enough to get indian paintbrush to grow. My clematis is coming up, too. I still don't have any rose blooms, but I'm rich with buds. Even the little baby Russelliana from Chamblee's has buds, which I'm very happy about because I thought I may have to wait until next spring to see any blooms. Looks like this will be the best year so far with my Abraham Darbys. Loaded all the way up and down every cane. I can't wait. Those are some gorgeus blooms.=20 I pegged the two Red Ribbons as you suggested. They look a little funny right now - just one big cane on each bent in a hoop. I hope Cass is correct that the rest of the canes will soon follow suit.=20 I received email today from Wayside Gardens. They want to sell me roses at 75% off. $3.00 Austins. I don't have Tamora. That's your cue to badmouth Wayside to prevent me from making a mistake. You can also remind me of the heartbreak of RMV and the reason why I try to stick with own roots. I don't= know though. $3.00. Tamora. Help. Mike z8TX |
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