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Old 26-03-2003, 10:44 PM
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Hi,
I'm looking for a red OGR (or several) that I can grow up and around
my front porch. The porch has a couple of steps up to it, so the roof
on it is 16 feet high. I would especially like a highly scented flower
since we spend many an evening out on there. I live in Zone 7 on Long
Island a few long blocks from the beach. I've only just started
gardening but I love the old fasioned roses.
Any recommendations ???
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Old 27-03-2003, 07:08 AM
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tsmay wrote:

Hi,
I'm looking for a red OGR (or several) that I can grow up and around
my front porch. The porch has a couple of steps up to it, so the roof
on it is 16 feet high. I would especially like a highly scented flower
since we spend many an evening out on there. I live in Zone 7 on Long
Island a few long blocks from the beach. I've only just started
gardening but I love the old fasioned roses.
Any recommendations ???


Are you really committed to growing a rose with 20 foot canes that will
require you to climb up a ladder to deadhead, prune and attach to the
house?

You know, winter-hardy, repeat-blooming, red OGR climbers to more than
16 ft. aren't that easy to come by. Most roses of that size are most
often found in mild weather regions or are once-blooming. Paul Scarlet
Climber....doesn't really look like an OGR.

You might be better off with a modern-day imposter, i.e. a more modern
roses with an old-rose look.

Good luck in your quest. I'll be interested to see what others come up
with.

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Cass
Zone 9 San Francisco Bay Area
http://home.attbi.com/~cassbernstein/index.html
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Old 27-03-2003, 08:08 AM
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"Cass" wisely wrote

Are you really committed to growing a rose with 20 foot canes that will
require you to climb up a ladder to deadhead, prune and attach to the
house?

You know, winter-hardy, repeat-blooming, red OGR climbers to more than
16 ft. aren't that easy to come by. Most roses of that size are most
often found in mild weather regions or are once-blooming. Paul Scarlet
Climber....doesn't really look like an OGR.

You might be better off with a modern-day imposter, i.e. a more modern
roses with an old-rose look.

Good luck in your quest. I'll be interested to see what others come up
with.


I must agree with Cass; zone 7 is not quite up there to encourage what
warmth does: growing, growing, growing. If what you are looking for is
to have your rose climb up all the way to the roof of your porch, I don't
know what I could recommend in the OG varieties to fit the bill.

Zephirine Drouhin is not red, in reasonably warm climate she can some
times shoot for the moon - providing the moon stays within 10 feet -
has very few prickles and is a gorgeous rose that also happens to be
a powdery mildew magnet. She goes about her business for about
3 to 4 years before handing anything remotely close to a bloom. But,
when she does you suddenly forget all about the cons and can only
think of the pros. Great fragrance, but more magenta than even pink.

As Cass has suggested, a modern climber is perhaps what you are
looking for. Kordes came out somewhere in the 60s with Sympathie,
a dark red climber that in Portland Oregon could reach about 10 feet.
Nice, soft fragrance, good repeat, nice form and other than a bit of
mildew problem in wet Springs, held her own quite well. But never
got higher than 10 feet, at least not here. Well fed, great for cutting
good foliage, but 10 feet.

Cadenza is another that can reach 15 feet under optimum conditions
and I guess optimum means mild winters, one of the best Armstrong
roses to come out also in the 60s. I don't remember if it had any
fragrance and I don't have my books here at the office, but I remember
a dark red, double bloom that was very attractive and I believe it
repeats. Have no idea if it will work for you in your area tho.

But these are all modern roses. As Cass said, you must realize that
for a climber to reach its full potential it must meet extreme and very
defined conditions. And for remontants deadheading is not optional.
I wouldn't climb up any ladder to deadhead a rose no matter how
much I love her. There are certain things that are naturally opposed:
drinking and driving and ladders and deadheading, particularly if
bees love your rose as much as you do.

I am sorry I cannot be of more help. We grow almost exclusively
ogr, and yet I am at a loss to give you any suggestion that I think
it could help. But maybe going to www.helpmefind.com and search
for what you are looking for may bring more and better answers than
this one. Whatever you do, please consider the idea of having to
climb up a ladder to deadhead and/or prune your climber.
Good luck and I hope you find what you are looking for, or a
reasonable and lovely substitute.

Allegra



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Old 27-03-2003, 05:56 PM
Radika Kesavan
 
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Allegra wrote:
"Cass" wisely wrote


....
You might be better off with a modern-day imposter, i.e. a more modern
roses with an old-rose look.

Good luck in your quest. I'll be interested to see what others come up
with.



I must agree with Cass; zone 7 is not quite up there to encourage what
warmth does: growing, growing, growing. If what you are looking for is
to have your rose climb up all the way to the roof of your porch, I don't
know what I could recommend in the OG varieties to fit the bill
....
As Cass has suggested, a modern climber is perhaps what you are
looking for. Kordes came out somewhere in the 60s with Sympathie, ...
....
Cadenza ....

But these are all modern roses.....


I should like to add my two cents' (may be only one penny's) worth to
what Cass and Allegra have both very eloquently said. The key is that
"red" is a rather difficult colour to come by in true OGRs, to begin
with, and in climbers even more so.

There is Will Scarlet, a rose that probably will not even marginally
qualify as an OGR - it is a Hybrid Musk. I fell in love with this rose
having seen it on the Amity Heritage Roses Website - he
http://www.amityheritageroses.com/

And here is some more on that rose:
http://www.ph-rose-gardens.com/01115.htm

That picture is from the front of the house that the owners of AHR
occupied when they lived in San Jose. I do no think that it is a
remontant rose, but I am a very soft touch when it comes to huge
self-supporting climbing roses that produce a profusion of red roses,
even if it is an once-a-year explosion of blooms.

Bob Bauer has some very beautiful photographs (when does he not) and
words of wisdom on this rose at his site:
http://www.rose-roses.com/rosepages/...lScarlett.html

Other than that, if, as Cass and Allegra both have suggested, if you are
willing to settle for a modern impostor of an OGR red rose climber that
is reported to do extremely well in New York City's climate, my vote is
for Illusion, another Kordesiana rose:

http://www.helpmefind.com/sites/rrr/pl.php?n=3368

To my nose, Illusion has a subtle incense-like fragrance. It is reported
to be blackspot resistant, and untouched by other fungal ailments too.

--
Radika
California
USDA 9 / Sunset 15

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Old 31-03-2003, 09:32 PM
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Thanks for all the links and guidance. I've decided to give up the
search for a red climber of this height, although I'm still going to
try and get a 16ft. rose ( I can deadhead from a chair on the porch,
hopefully, instead of a ladder). I've narrowed it down to Kew Rambler,
May Queen, or Russeliana. All are once flowering roses with a lot of
fragrance and height. Has anyone grown these?


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In article , tsmay
wrote:

Thanks for all the links and guidance. I've decided to give up the
search for a red climber of this height, although I'm still going to
try and get a 16ft. rose ( I can deadhead from a chair on the porch,
hopefully, instead of a ladder). I've narrowed it down to Kew Rambler,
May Queen, or Russeliana. All are once flowering roses with a lot of
fragrance and height. Has anyone grown these?


If you're going to consider changing color, there are others that do
rebloom: New Dawn comes immediately to mind. It has many seedlings and
offspring which might do well. Take a look at HelpMeFind:
http://www.helpmefind.com/sites/rrr/pl.php?n=4460

Then take a look at descendants. Note that New Dawn blooms most on old
wood, so be careful deadheading and pruning, or you may cut off a lot
of your flowering wood.

Sorry, I don't grow any of the roses you list, tho someone here grows
May Queen and it looks very pretty (I want it). Good luck.
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tsmay wrote:

Thanks for all the links and guidance. I've decided to give up the
search for a red climber of this height, although I'm still going to
try and get a 16ft. rose ( I can deadhead from a chair on the porch,
hopefully, instead of a ladder). I've narrowed it down to Kew Rambler,
May Queen, or Russeliana. All are once flowering roses with a lot of
fragrance and height. Has anyone grown these?


No, but Oh, MY. Especially that Kew Rambler and that Russeliana - both
knocked my socks off simply by just their pictures. Tell me, since you
are in Long Island, from where are you going to get the Kew Rambler? It
seems to be available easily in England and in Northern Europe, but I do
not see any U. S. sources. Have you found one? Also, Russeliana sounds
and looks simply wonderful - a crimson mauve, at 6 metres' height! Oh, my.

Sounds like truly delicious selections. Good luck and fo tell us how it
all goes.

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Radika
California
USDA 9 / Sunset 15

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Old 02-04-2003, 07:56 PM
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Radika Kesavan wrote in message ...

No, but Oh, MY. Especially that Kew Rambler and that Russeliana - both
knocked my socks off simply by just their pictures. Tell me, since you
are in Long Island, from where are you going to get the Kew Rambler? It
seems to be available easily in England and in Northern Europe, but I do
not see any U. S. sources. Have you found one? Also, Russeliana sounds
and looks simply wonderful - a crimson mauve, at 6 metres' height! Oh, my.

Sounds like truly delicious selections. Good luck and fo tell us how it
all goes.


Hi,
I found that Peter Beales (http://www.classicroses.co.uk/index.php)
carries this rose and started to order from them-in England, but I had
to fill out an import permit from the USDA
(http://aphisweb.aphis.usda.gov/ppq/p...s/nursery.html).
It was getting complicated. Then I found a lovely web site that listed
Kew Rambler for sale, but only in person, in CA.
http://www.geocities.com/killarafarm/
She was VERY nice and directed me to:
http://www.vintagegardens.com/
which sells Kew Rambler, (sadly, not on its own roots) but in the
country atleast. I orderd it right away. I can't wait. I have an old
victorian house with a big front porch with lots of wicker furniture.
I may be taking on a lot, but I just love the idea of having roses
draping over and around the porch. I hope I like the reality of it as
much as the idea of it.
Thanks so much for the help!
Tonya
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