Pristine is on the hill in the back of my yard. She's got some wicked
talons just sporting bare canes! (I've already been blooded by her just
getting her into the ground.) I'm planning on adding Chrysler Imperial
this weekend (if I can find one locally) to be her companion. CI is
also noted for her sharp claws. Anyone have any suggestions for any
other non-climbing rose with nasty thorns, strong scent, and good
disease resistance? Actually, I may even consider a climber if I can
get it to climb spindly loblolly pines without doing too much damage to
the loblollies. (Loblollies also don't do much as a sun block for the
plants inderneath so I only plant full sun plants under them as anything
requiring shade rapidly dies.)

I'm usually not concerned with how disease resistant roses are but these
are a little out of my normal daily range and I'm worried that they may
be a little neglected. Probably not, knowing me, but still I worry
about the "babies". *grin* Then again, I only have thirteen to fuss
over right now.

Susan
s h simko at duke dot edu

On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:59:54 -0400, "Susan H. Simko"
wrote:

Pristine is on the hill in the back of my yard. She's got some wicked
talons just sporting bare canes! (I've already been blooded by her just
getting her into the ground.) I'm planning on adding Chrysler Imperial
this weekend (if I can find one locally) to be her companion. CI is
also noted for her sharp claws. Anyone have any suggestions for any
other non-climbing rose with nasty thorns, strong scent, and good
disease resistance? Actually, I may even consider a climber if I can
get it to climb spindly loblolly pines without doing too much damage to
the loblollies. (Loblollies also don't do much as a sun block for the
plants inderneath so I only plant full sun plants under them as anything
requiring shade rapidly dies.)

I'm usually not concerned with how disease resistant roses are but these
are a little out of my normal daily range and I'm worried that they may
be a little neglected. Probably not, knowing me, but still I worry
about the "babies". *grin* Then again, I only have thirteen to fuss
over right now.

Susan
s h simko at duke dot edu

Are you wanting thorns because you're trying to create a barrier? If
so, I might recommend something that *sort of* fits your criteria.
It's a rose that another poster recently mentioned - R. eglanteria,
or Sweet Briar Rose. This thing grows huge and tangled, and woe to
anthing that gets tangled up in its snaggletooth canes. It seems to be
pretty disease-resistant, it grows rapidly and profusely and its
leaves are actually fragrant when wet (smells a little like green
apple) - don't remember how fragrant those little blooms are, but you
can smell the bush pretty well from a distance, especially when wet.
The downside is that it's a once-bloomer, but the flush lasts for a
pretty long time (mine should be starting in a couple of weeks). The
blooms are very attractive little double-lobed five petal
"dogwoodesque" flowers. It grows in an arching fountain spray and will
grow to over 10 feet tall. Mine is starting its third full season and
it's about 6 1/2 ft tall by 9 ft wide (and I've done some selective
pruning on it). This would be a good "anti-burglar" plant and I
understand that it makes a pretty impressive hedge when planted as
such.

I'm guessing that this wild-looking plant is OK left to its own
devices.

Pristine is a nasty thorny one, but I have one that is THE Thorniest of then
all David Austin rose called Cressida. Lost some good clothes on that one !
"Susan H. Simko" wrote in message
...
Pristine is on the hill in the back of my yard. She's got some wicked
talons just sporting bare canes! (I've already been blooded by her just
getting her into the ground.) I'm planning on adding Chrysler Imperial
this weekend (if I can find one locally) to be her companion. CI is
also noted for her sharp claws. Anyone have any suggestions for any
other non-climbing rose with nasty thorns, strong scent, and good
disease resistance? Actually, I may even consider a climber if I can
get it to climb spindly loblolly pines without doing too much damage to
the loblollies. (Loblollies also don't do much as a sun block for the
plants inderneath so I only plant full sun plants under them as anything
requiring shade rapidly dies.)

I'm usually not concerned with how disease resistant roses are but these
are a little out of my normal daily range and I'm worried that they may
be a little neglected. Probably not, knowing me, but still I worry
about the "babies". *grin* Then again, I only have thirteen to fuss
over right now.

Susan
s h simko at duke dot edu

In FOW wrote:
Pristine is a nasty thorny one, but I have one that is THE Thorniest
of then all David Austin rose called Cressida. Lost some good clothes
on that one !

Try The Squire... or Voodoo. You could use pruned branches of those
varieties as hacksaws!

Susan H. Simko wrote:

Anyone have any suggestions for any other non-climbing rose with nasty
thorns, strong scent, and good disease resistance?

Try Othello... one of the David Austin's. An early one... I've heard he
regrets it, because it's soooo thorny. Big thorns and little thorns.
Lots of them. But magnificent huge deep magenta cabbage roses with heavy
rose scent.
I think they'd probably climb if you let them. We get canes over 8 feet
tall if we don't cut them back (and that's just one year's growth).
....pat.

--
Pat and Ash

http://www3.sympatico.ca/patash/

Susan H. Simko wrote:

Anyone have any suggestions for any other non-climbing rose with nasty
thorns, strong scent, and good disease resistance?


There's an Austin called "Fisherman's Friend" that has huge nasty vicious
thorns. It has the largest and most beautiful red blooms. Very fragrant,
too. My Dad got this one hoping to get even with the deer one year. I
remember he had a little trouble finding it, but not too much.

Mike
z8TX

Pristine or a David Austin, Cressida. 1 1/2 in thorns on the DA !
"Mike" wrote in message
...
Susan H. Simko wrote:

Anyone have any suggestions for any other non-climbing rose with nasty
thorns, strong scent, and good disease resistance?


There's an Austin called "Fisherman's Friend" that has huge nasty vicious
thorns. It has the largest and most beautiful red blooms. Very fragrant,
too. My Dad got this one hoping to get even with the deer one year. I
remember he had a little trouble finding it, but not too much.

Mike
z8TX

In article , says...
Susan H. Simko wrote:

Anyone have any suggestions for any other non-climbing rose with nasty
thorns, strong scent, and good disease resistance?

Try Othello... one of the David Austin's. An early one... I've heard he
regrets it, because it's soooo thorny. Big thorns and little thorns.
Lots of them. But magnificent huge deep magenta cabbage roses with heavy
rose scent.

A lot of the old shrub roses, especially rugosas, have some wicked
thorns. Makes a great hedge :-).

--
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we
are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
Teddy Roosevelt

"Susan H. Simko" wrote in message ...
Pristine is on the hill in the back of my yard. She's got some wicked
talons just sporting bare canes! (I've already been blooded by her just
getting her into the ground.) I'm planning on adding Chrysler Imperial
this weekend (if I can find one locally) to be her companion. CI is
also noted for her sharp claws. Anyone have any suggestions for any
other non-climbing rose with nasty thorns, strong scent, and good
disease resistance? Actually, I may even consider a climber if I can
get it to climb spindly loblolly pines without doing too much damage to
the loblollies. (Loblollies also don't do much as a sun block for the
plants inderneath so I only plant full sun plants under them as anything
requiring shade rapidly dies.)

I'm usually not concerned with how disease resistant roses are but these
are a little out of my normal daily range and I'm worried that they may
be a little neglected. Probably not, knowing me, but still I worry
about the "babies". *grin* Then again, I only have thirteen to fuss
over right now.

Susan
s h simko at duke dot edu



Try Seafoam. It has the most profuse and vicious armament of any rose
I've encountered. It is also tough as nails and produces lots of
well-scented flowers. Attractive foliage too---small shiny green
leaflets.


J. Del Col