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To Gail and Jeffrey
This group was once such a vital and interesting place to discuss
roses. Do you think that it is possible bring this group back to life? Or do you think that the people who destroyed this group are still willing to take the time and energy to destroy it again? If they are still there with the will to ruin, then there is no point, but if not, and they have moved on with their lives, it would be great to try to create a new vital rose talk community here. I would surely love to bring rose discussions back here, seeing that the USENET format of embedded message trees is highly superior to the lame and extremely clunky email or web lists such as are those used by yahoo groups, gardenweb or Rosarian's Corner. The strength of USENET is that you can see exactly where you are in any thread and read only what interests you without wading through a bunch of messages that say stuff like "ditto". If it is possible, I would like to give it a shot with you folks. And I can bring others over here as well by pointing to it on the front page of my website (which gets pretty heavy traffic of people interested in rose gardening and rose varieties). Bob Bauer http://www.rose-roses.com/ |
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crown gall (was: To Gail and Jeffrey)
"Bob Bauer" wrote in message
... This group was once such a vital and interesting place to discuss roses. Do you think that it is possible bring this group back to life? Or do you think that the people who destroyed this group are still willing to take the time and energy to destroy it again? If they are still there with the will to ruin, then there is no point, but if not, and they have moved on with their lives, it would be great to try to create a new vital rose talk community here. I would surely love to bring rose discussions back here, seeing that the USENET format of embedded message trees is highly superior to the lame and extremely clunky email or web lists such as are those used by yahoo groups, gardenweb or Rosarian's Corner. The strength of USENET is that you can see exactly where you are in any thread and read only what interests you without wading through a bunch of messages that say stuff like "ditto". If it is possible, I would like to give it a shot with you folks. And I can bring others over here as well by pointing to it on the front page of my website (which gets pretty heavy traffic of people interested in rose gardening and rose varieties). Bob Bauer http://www.rose-roses.com/ Hi Bob - Nice to see you posting again. I've tried to stay active here, along with a few other folk. I'm certainly willing to get into discussions and hope you can generate some interest from your contacts. I agree with you about the USENET format. So here's my comment and question: I seem to have trouble with crown gall or canker. And it's not because I hoe around my roses and do any damage. At most I'll hand-pull weeds. I suspect the damage is from insects. Even one of my large Teas had a crown gall on it, although I think it will do fine. It's the smaller, weaker roses that succomb. Not all of my roses get this disease, but it seems to occur with greater frequency than I would expect. Whenever a rose dies, I do replace the soil, so I'm not passing the disease on that way, and I'm pretty careful about sterilizing tools after pruning around a gall or canker. If anyone has any hints other than making my garden into a toxic dump*, I'm willing to give it a try. Gail near San Antonio TX Zone 8 *I heart my bees. |
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crown gall
Gail -
I'm not an expert, just a long time home owner :-) I know of insects that cause that. A type of wasp as I recall and another is a moth (IIRC). You might try using some chemical that is absorbed. Have to see what you have - insect (might be micro sized for months). Some is fungi types and can be controlled that way. Always a test! At first, I thought 12th grade was going to be the last :-) After 18 years of testing, I gave up and know life is a test! Martin Martin H. Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net TSRA, Life; NRA LOH & Endowment Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot"s Medal. NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member. http://lufkinced.com/ Gail Futoran wrote: "Bob Bauer" wrote in message ... This group was once such a vital and interesting place to discuss roses. Do you think that it is possible bring this group back to life? Or do you think that the people who destroyed this group are still willing to take the time and energy to destroy it again? If they are still there with the will to ruin, then there is no point, but if not, and they have moved on with their lives, it would be great to try to create a new vital rose talk community here. I would surely love to bring rose discussions back here, seeing that the USENET format of embedded message trees is highly superior to the lame and extremely clunky email or web lists such as are those used by yahoo groups, gardenweb or Rosarian's Corner. The strength of USENET is that you can see exactly where you are in any thread and read only what interests you without wading through a bunch of messages that say stuff like "ditto". If it is possible, I would like to give it a shot with you folks. And I can bring others over here as well by pointing to it on the front page of my website (which gets pretty heavy traffic of people interested in rose gardening and rose varieties). Bob Bauer http://www.rose-roses.com/ Hi Bob - Nice to see you posting again. I've tried to stay active here, along with a few other folk. I'm certainly willing to get into discussions and hope you can generate some interest from your contacts. I agree with you about the USENET format. So here's my comment and question: I seem to have trouble with crown gall or canker. And it's not because I hoe around my roses and do any damage. At most I'll hand-pull weeds. I suspect the damage is from insects. Even one of my large Teas had a crown gall on it, although I think it will do fine. It's the smaller, weaker roses that succomb. Not all of my roses get this disease, but it seems to occur with greater frequency than I would expect. Whenever a rose dies, I do replace the soil, so I'm not passing the disease on that way, and I'm pretty careful about sterilizing tools after pruning around a gall or canker. If anyone has any hints other than making my garden into a toxic dump*, I'm willing to give it a try. Gail near San Antonio TX Zone 8 *I heart my bees. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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crown gall (was: To Gail and Jeffrey)
Gail said
Nice to see you posting again. I've tried to stay active here, along with a few other folk. I'm certainly willing to get into discussions.. Hi Gail, I guess I need to ask specifically if you are aware if there has been any posting here by the folks who previously destroyed this group in the last year or two? I really would like to know. So here's my comment and question: I seem to have trouble with crown gall or canker... It sounds like you have long experience with this problem. I have no first hand knowledge, but have read quite a bit about crown gall. Crown gall is a bacterial infection that triggers a DNA anomaly in the plant tissue producing a growth hormore that makes the cells grow in an uncontrolled cancer like manner. The bad bacterium is called Agrobacterium tumefaciens. Being a bacteria that has a "saprophyte" or dormant form, it can live in organic debris for several years. It is spread from soil to plant by ground water or by rain splashing, and causes a new infection if that soil or splash hits a fresh scape or gouge within 24 hours or so of the injury. Recommendations I have seen say to not replant in the same area at all for 5 years. Although that seems pretty extreme to me unless you have unlimited space. Spraying both the soil and the plant with insecticide to prevent chewing insects that cause plant wounds is recommended also. Good luck. Sounds like a real headache! Bob Bauer http://www.rose-roses.com/ |
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crown gall (was: To Gail and Jeffrey)
"Bob Bauer" wrote in message
... Gail said Nice to see you posting again. I've tried to stay active here, along with a few other folk. I'm certainly willing to get into discussions.. Hi Gail, I guess I need to ask specifically if you are aware if there has been any posting here by the folks who previously destroyed this group in the last year or two? I really would like to know. I'd say no. Posting has been light enough that you could search google groups www.groups.google.com by name (if you recall names) or simply by a range of dates. See if you see anything or anyone problemmatic. So here's my comment and question: I seem to have trouble with crown gall or canker... It sounds like you have long experience with this problem. I have no first hand knowledge, but have read quite a bit about crown gall. Crown gall is a bacterial infection that triggers a DNA anomaly in the plant tissue producing a growth hormore that makes the cells grow in an uncontrolled cancer like manner. The bad bacterium is called Agrobacterium tumefaciens. Being a bacteria that has a "saprophyte" or dormant form, it can live in organic debris for several years. It is spread from soil to plant by ground water or by rain splashing, and causes a new infection if that soil or splash hits a fresh scape or gouge within 24 hours or so of the injury. Recommendations I have seen say to not replant in the same area at all for 5 years. Although that seems pretty extreme to me unless you have unlimited space. I have a ton of unused space but my body will no longer tolerate me digging large holes (for rose beds) in heavy clay! I've read a number of sources including Peter Schneider who say there is no reason to avoid replanting as long as you replace the soil. I've had roses do great in locations where earlier roses died due to crown gall or canker. Spraying both the soil and the plant with insecticide to prevent chewing insects that cause plant wounds is recommended also. I really should try that. I have fire ants (which love my lightweight soil in raised beds) as well as a number of rolly pollys (there's probably an official name) and I've read the latter can do damage in numbers. Wasps could also be a possibility. I know I have several different kinds around. Good luck. Sounds like a real headache! Bob Bauer http://www.rose-roses.com/ Thanks! Gail near San Antonio TX Zone 8 |
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To Gail and Jeffrey
Bob;
I'm fairly new to this site, but I agree, it would be nice if it were more active. Whatever I can do to help, I'm in. Best Regards Jeff, Southeast Michigan, Zone 5 "Bob Bauer" wrote in message ... This group was once such a vital and interesting place to discuss roses. Do you think that it is possible bring this group back to life? Or do you think that the people who destroyed this group are still willing to take the time and energy to destroy it again? If they are still there with the will to ruin, then there is no point, but if not, and they have moved on with their lives, it would be great to try to create a new vital rose talk community here. I would surely love to bring rose discussions back here, seeing that the USENET format of embedded message trees is highly superior to the lame and extremely clunky email or web lists such as are those used by yahoo groups, gardenweb or Rosarian's Corner. The strength of USENET is that you can see exactly where you are in any thread and read only what interests you without wading through a bunch of messages that say stuff like "ditto". If it is possible, I would like to give it a shot with you folks. And I can bring others over here as well by pointing to it on the front page of my website (which gets pretty heavy traffic of people interested in rose gardening and rose varieties). Bob Bauer http://www.rose-roses.com/ |
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To Gail and Jeffrey
Jeff said:
I'm fairly new to this site, but I agree, it would be nice if it were more active. Whatever I can do to help, I'm in. That's great, Jeff. I think we should give it a shot and seeif we can get more discussion going here, if the trolls show up again, then we'll see what happens. I'll list this group again on the homepage of my website. Have a good one, Bob Bauer http://www.rose-roses.com/ |
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To Gail and Jeffrey
Bob Bauer expounded:
This group was once such a vital and interesting place to discuss roses. Do you think that it is possible bring this group back to life? Or do you think that the people who destroyed this group are still willing to take the time and energy to destroy it again? If they are still there with the will to ruin, then there is no point, but if not, and they have moved on with their lives, it would be great to try to create a new vital rose talk community here. I would surely love to bring rose discussions back here, seeing that the USENET format of embedded message trees is highly superior to the lame and extremely clunky email or web lists such as are those used by yahoo groups, gardenweb or Rosarian's Corner. The strength of USENET is that you can see exactly where you are in any thread and read only what interests you without wading through a bunch of messages that say stuff like "ditto". If it is possible, I would like to give it a shot with you folks. And I can bring others over here as well by pointing to it on the front page of my website (which gets pretty heavy traffic of people interested in rose gardening and rose varieties). Bob Bauer http://www.rose-roses.com/ I am not a long time rec.gardens.roses poster, I am, however, a long time rec.gardens poster who has read rec.gardens.roses from time to time (I started reading Usenet in 1994). If I may offer a suggestion: I saw what happened here. One of the biggest problems made here in rgr is responding to trolls and their provocation. Ignore them. Don't respond to them. Trolls wither and die without attention. I saw way too many good posters here get furious, fight with the trolls and then leave. If you want to rebuild this newsgroup then you'll have to deal with the trolling in a calmer manner. We've had all manner of trolls in rec.gardens try to ruin it, but they can't get a foothold. They still try, we still ignore them. If you all can get past this you'll have your newsgroup back. I hope it can be successful. I've always wanted to see this as vibrant as rec.gardens has been. -- Ann e-mail address is not checked |
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